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US Federal Elections 2012
- Thread starter OutofDate1980
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ElasticNinja
Android Expert
I'd rather see considered free thinking than the selfish free thinking one sees in US politics.
bberryhill0
Android Expert
I'd like to see thinking in politics.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Recently here we had a politician (a ranking member in his party as well) publicly endorse a candidate who happened to belong to the other party. His party chose to publicly censure him for it. That, I presume, is how you think it should work. His party was fairly widely criticized for censuring him. Americans just don't want it that way.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Well, I'm more suggesting that politicians should have to vote on party lines if they want to be in a party. I would expect the party to that BTW, perhaps said politician should switch party.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Why switch parties? Personally, a lot of people admired the guy for not toeing the party line and calling things how he saw them. He felt the candidate that wasn't in his party was the best candidate for that particular position and said so. Politicians who simply toe the party line are not terribly popular here in the States. Perhaps that is the reason we don't have a system you propose. Voters don't want it.
bberryhill0
Android Expert
If politicians just vote on party lines there is no point in having politicians. Wait, let me simplify that. There is no point in having politicians.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Because if you have to advise someone to vote for someone from the opposite party against your party, it appears you are in the wrong party.
Voters dont want a lot of things, and want others, does not necessarily make it right that representative Donnell got them a new federal funded sports center.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Could not disagree more. What matters is the candidate. Either the candidate is the right one or they aren't. Someone who just supports a candidate because they are a member of a particular party is just a mindless drone in my eyes.
Representatives are elected to represent what the people want. People vote for Donnell to bring them the sports center.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
If BS works for Rush, why not Locust Romney. This is why the League of Women Voters withdrew their support for the debates in it's current format, the BS was getting to high for waders.
Finally Liberated From Facts, Mitt Romney the Pure Bull Artist Takes Flight | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone
From the start of the first debate, Romney has almost seemed liberated, spouting line after line of breathless, ecstatic inventions
Finally Liberated From Facts, Mitt Romney the Pure Bull Artist Takes Flight | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone
From the start of the first debate, Romney has almost seemed liberated, spouting line after line of breathless, ecstatic inventions
bberryhill0
Android Expert
" Now, cynically, we know what the "point" is. The point is to win an election by promising a 20% tax cut with one hand while promising that nobody will have to pay for it with the other. It's brilliant stuff
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
If you liked the Bush economy, you'll love the Romney economy, since he employs the same cronies.
Robert Scheer: Meet Romney
Robert Scheer: Meet Romney
Gmash
Extreme Android User
Its amazing how obvious what Romney is doing is, and even more amazing that it seems to be working. It seems like the American public's perception is on a time delay, it takes awhile for things to sink in. I fear people are too slow to realize that the economy is already improving, and Romney will get elected and take credit for it.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Just like Obama? his cabinet is full of the people who caused the mess in the first place.
I don't people seem to realise that the American economy, despite having way more structural issues, is doing a lot better than Europe's in general.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
96 percent in Ireland say they would vote for Obama in US election - Puzzled Americans ask why do Irish in Ireland dislike the GOP so much? | People and Politics | IrishCentral
That's a bit surprising. I only saw figures of 70-85% for other countries.
That's a bit surprising. I only saw figures of 70-85% for other countries.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Daniel Ellsberg makes a good point, Romney would be "catastrophically worse".
FOCUS | Defeat Romney, Without Illusions About Obama
"I lose no opportunity publicly," I told him angrily, to identify Obama as a tool of Wall Street, a man who's decriminalized torture and is still complicit in it, a drone assassin, someone who's launched an unconstitutional war, supports kidnapping and indefinite detention without trial, and has prosecuted more whistleblowers like myself than all previous presidents put together. "Would you call that support?"
My friend said, "But on Democracy Now you urged people in swing states to vote for him! How could you say that? I don't live in a swing state, but I will not and could not vote for Obama under any circumstances."
My answer was: a Romney/Ryan administration would be no better -- no different -- on any of the serious offenses I just mentioned or anything else, and it would be much worse, even catastrophically worse, on a number of other important issues: attacking Iran, Supreme Court appointments, the economy, women's reproductive rights, health coverage, safety net, climate change, green energy, the environment.
bberryhill0
Android Expert
Romney/Ryan would probably start WWIII but at least they are talking about reducing the Federal budget.
Gmash
Extreme Android User
Talking is easy, and war isn't cheap. See: Iraq and Afghanistan.
ylexot
Android Expert
No they aren't. They are talking about reducing the rate of growth...same as Obama.
bberryhill0
Android Expert
Really?!? That's depressing. I thought Ryan was proposing to reduce government spending while killing more people.
bberryhill0
Android Expert
Those aren't proper wars. We needed a second world war to pull the world out of the Great Depression. The Great Recession needs a similar stimulus.
ylexot
Android Expert
Yeah, they are proposing spending reductions that will lead to a balanced budget...
...in ten years (or maybe its more than that)
...assuming that the economy picks up a lot and provides more revenues
...and assuming that Congress/President stick with that plan for ten years.
So, would you like to buy a bridge?
The only one who will balance the budget in the first year is Gary Johnson.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Gas has dropped 8 cents this past week. Wanna bet Obama takes credit for it?
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
I heard he got in a big brawl with some commodity traders and decked five of them before his security arrived.
In all seriousness, it will probably be a sign 'that the economy is recovering' for some reason. Mind you, Mitt wants Fuel costs lowered while abhorring at government intervention, so yeah.
ylexot
Android Expert
Can't be. Obama said that low gas prices were a sign of a bad economy during the last debate.
BTW, here's the quote:
"He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was 1.80 (dollars), 1.86 (dollars). Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse; because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney is now promoting. So it’s conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices, because with his policies we might be back in that same mess."
So, gas prices going down = going back towards economic collapse (according to Obama).