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Going to ignore the person and crime. I seriously think people make huge mistakes and can change. I have made some bad mistakes and still today feel horrible about them. The great thing about humans is that they can be wrong and sometimes when they are, they learn from their mistakes. Until other proven, I am going to assume that he is actually sorry for what he did, and deserves the best wishes.

Does not mean we forget what he did, but we can forgive, he is only human. And it is very human for us to forgive.
 
RiverOfIce said:
Going to ignore the person and crime.
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What does that mean? The guy murdered animals with his bare hands after they fought. It wasn't like, "whoops, I made a horrible mistake" and it was an accident. He knew what he was doing while he was doing it. Having something like that in you says a lot about a person. He's a killer. You don't say you're sorry after that and move on and suddenly support anti-dog fighting bills.
 
Tommy78 said:
What does that mean? The guy murdered animals with his bare hands after they fought. It wasn't like, "whoops, I made a horrible mistake" and it was an accident. He knew what he was doing while he was doing it. Having something like that in you says a lot about a person. He's a killer. You don't say you're sorry after that and move on and suddenly support anti-dog fighting bills.
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Michael Vick spent almost 2 years in prison for his crime. In my opinion he paid his debt. I suppose you think we should have strung him up and lynched him?
 
If he is truly repentant, that's one thing. I suspect, however, that it is a PR move to save whatever hope of some kind of career he envisions and if he had not been caught, he would still be involved.

In my opinion, his motives are not pure and that makes it even more unforgivable.

I HATE anyone that hurts a dog. I would love to see him ripped apart by stray wolves or basset hounds. He can burn in hell and I hope he fails at everything he tries until the end of time!!!
 
Bob Maxey said:
If he is truly repentant, that's one thing. I suspect, however, that it is a PR move to save whatever hope of some kind of career he envisions and if he had not been caught, he would still be involved.

In my opinion, his motives are not pure and that makes it even more unforgivable.

I HATE anyone that hurts a dog. I would love to see him ripped apart by stray wolves or basset hounds. He can burn in hell and I hope he fails at everything he tries until the end of time!!!
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Strung up and lynched isn't good enough huh? I'm wondering though how about all those people that go out and kill deer and other beautiful wild animals? Or heaven forbid all the people in other countries that eat dog.
 
robertj298 said:
Strung up and lynched isn't good enough huh? I'm wondering though how about all those people that go out and kill deer and other beautiful wild animals? Or heaven forbid all the people in other countries that eat dog.
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What Michael Vic did is sick. No excuses accepted. PERIOD.

What's worse is the number of people that see it any other way.

VERY sad obituary to our society.


Most people I know who hunt are egotistical and self-centered. To get a thrill out of taking ANY life speaks for itself. As humans we should lead the way in recognizing that creatures other than our species can feel pain and suffering. It takes intelligence to recognize this. Apparently, a large segment of the human race is lacking. Looking at the USA, this is glaringly apparent. What mentality drives one to mutilate others pets or enjoy watching an animal die a painful death by arrow or gunshot? A VERY large segment of the human race is sick.

People in other countries stone young girls for leaving their violent, abusive husbands also. So it's ok since people in other countries do it?

Pain and suffering is a fact of life on this planet. But that doesn't mean we have to embrace or enjoy inflicting it on another living being. That doesn't raise us above wild animal intellect, it makes us on par with them.

I would settle for a quiet lethal injection for MV as long as he and his genetics were eradicated quickly and completely. That our society is welcoming him back into it and even rewarding him (NIKE) is disgusting.

Humans have a tendency to be vile. Rome was full of bloodlust.
It fell and so will all societies lacking real intellect. Notice anything going on around you?
Neanderthal man could kill. But he couldn't repair a newborn's bad heart valve or figure out how to build flying machines. The difference is intellect.
 
AirCatHeavy said:
What Michael Vic did is sick. No excuses accepted. PERIOD.

What's worse is the number of people that see it any other way.

VERY sad obituary to our society.


Most people I know who hunt are egotistical and self-centered. To get a thrill out of taking ANY life speaks for itself. As humans we should lead the way in recognizing that creatures other than our species can feel pain and suffering. It takes intelligence to recognize this. Apparently, a large segment of the human race is lacking. Looking at the USA, this is glaringly apparent. What mentality drives one to mutilate others pets or enjoy watching an animal die a painful death by arrow or gunshot? A VERY large segment of the human race is sick.

People in other countries stone young girls for leaving their violent, abusive husbands also. So it's ok since people in other countries do it?

Pain and suffering is a fact of life on this planet. But that doesn't mean we have to embrace or enjoy inflicting it on another living being. That doesn't raise us above wild animal intellect, it makes us on par with them.

I would settle for a quiet lethal injection for MV as long as he and his genetics were eradicated quickly and completely. That our society is welcoming him back into it and even rewarding him (NIKE) is disgusting.

Humans have a tendency to be vile. Rome was full of bloodlust.
It fell and so will all societies lacking real intellect. Notice anything going on around you?
Neanderthal man could kill. But he couldn't repair a newborn's bad heart valve or figure out how to build flying machines. The difference is intellect.
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Thats right...no one thats ever made a mistake deserves a second chance and we should eradicate them and any offspring they produce. Thats the Christian way
 
robertj298 said:
Strung up and lynched isn't good enough huh? I'm wondering though how about all those people that go out and kill deer and other beautiful wild animals? Or heaven forbid all the people in other countries that eat dog.
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There is quite a difference between fighting dogs and killing the unwanted and hunting for deer (not just for sport) and consuming dog meat. I really do hope you are able to see that difference.

To be clear, I am not saying a second chance shouldn't be offered, just pointing out that the suffering of another creature is never justifiable when only pleasure is gained.
 
robertj298 said:
Strung up and lynched isn't good enough huh? I'm wondering though how about all those people that go out and kill deer and other beautiful wild animals? Or heaven forbid all the people in other countries that eat dog.
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Hunting deer is not illegal. Assuming that you do so with a license and in season. You dare to compare a dog killer to deer hunting? Eating dog is legal and part of tradition/diet/whatever in some places. Those that dine on Snoopy Snacks do so legally in most cases.
 
BiggestManEver said:
He paid for his crime, it's over. Stop worrying about him, please. Start worrying about people who actually kill other people.
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First, this is the Lounge where anything goes. Second, this is a thread you choose to read, so stop complaining about it and stop reading it if you do not like it.

Bad form to arrive at a thread that is allowed to be here and complain about it, I should say. Try reading the wallpaper section, something there will certainly cheer you up.
 
I am a dog lover/owner and fully endorse Mike Vick's current repentant actions. The man appears to be truly sorry for the most part. In other cultures, nobody would get bent out of shape about this form of "entertainment". Sure it's cruel, but so are a lot of things. Sure it's illegal, but he did get caught and served his sentence. How about having a little outrage for some cruelties that you can really effect change ...

If you like dogs, work to ban puppy mills. Stop eating beef unless the thought of cracking a cow's skull with a pneumatic hammer somehow appeals to you. Have you ever actually SEEN a chicken farm in Maryland, home of Frank Perdue and his "tender chickens". It's only a chicken, though. Griping about a celebrity who's trying to make amends for some past cruelty only serves to satisfy a personal need for self-righteous morality and does nothing to help any currently suffering animals.

Don't wan't to forgive his past actions? Okay. Not a problem, but don't make the man pay twice for one crime. That's not what were supposed to be about, is it? Any man who is sponsored and counselled by Tony Dungee, one of the most decent human beings on the planet, can't be all bad.
 
So then if your name was tarnished would you not do anything to change people's image of you? Vick made a mistake. A HUGE one but there are far worse things that people do daily that we forgive them for. PR or not, he is supporting a good cause. You call that a joke? That sounds like some First Class hatred right there, jealousy even. How can you bad mouth a person who is trying to do good?
 
lunatic59 said:
Stop eating beef unless the thought of cracking a cow's skull with a pneumatic hammer somehow appeals to you.
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For an animal going to slaughter, that is a FINE way to go, and yes, I have seen it all, in person.

I do agree about your comment on chickens though. Layers have a much worse (and lengthier) fate than those produced for meat.
 
lordofthereef said:
For an animal going to slaughter, that is a FINE way to go, and yes, I have seen it all, in person.

I do agree about your comment on chickens though. Layers have a much worse (and lengthier) fate than those produced for meat.
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And what about leg hold traps for fur? Pharmaceutical and cosmetic testing on mice and rabbits? And lest we forget, there is an entire industry devised to eradicate those animals we don't like ... mice, rats, raccoons, squirrels, bats, coyotes, wasps, ants, snakes, gophers .... poison their sorry a$$es, stick em in glue until they starve, smack, stomp, smash and burn them. It's all good ... except for them, of course.

All I'm saying is if we are going to be morally judgmental about Vick, then let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first grenade.
 
Bob Maxey said:
First, this is the Lounge where anything goes. Second, this is a thread you choose to read, so stop complaining about it and stop reading it if you do not like it.

Bad form to arrive at a thread that is allowed to be here and complain about it, I should say. Try reading the wallpaper section, something there will certainly cheer you up.
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"Anything goes" with a bit of an eye toward civility in a debate. ;)
 
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I don't see what makes dogs so special compared to other animals. I understand being against torturing them and what not, but if you have dogs that show no hesitation to fight then let them fight. Just don't kill them when they lose or refuse to fight, retire them instead. We have some rather contradictory morals in this country...

When it comes to Vick himself I don't know the specifics of what he did, but I understand it went beyond dogfighting and more into torturing animals, and that's deserving of some punishment. But I think that two years in prison is probably sufficient punishment for virtually any crime against animals. And I agree that all his talk about being against dogfighting is just an attempt at good PR. Who can blame him for sucking up a little after the way he has been demonized?
 
Knewz said:
So then if your name was tarnished would you not do anything to change people's image of you?
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The best thing he could do for himself would be to shut up and play football. The last thing he should be trying to do is get his name and dogs mentioned in the same sentence ever again no matter what the reason. He thinks he's doing something good for himself or the public by doing this? All he is doing is making everyone who hated him for what he did have to think about it again and relive it again. Who ever advised him and made him think that this was a good idea should be fired.
 
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