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AirCatHeavy said:
What Michael Vic did is sick. No excuses accepted. PERIOD.

What's worse is the number of people that see it any other way.

VERY sad obituary to our society.


Most people I know who hunt are egotistical and self-centered. To get a thrill out of taking ANY life speaks for itself. As humans we should lead the way in recognizing that creatures other than our species can feel pain and suffering. It takes intelligence to recognize this. Apparently, a large segment of the human race is lacking. Looking at the USA, this is glaringly apparent. What mentality drives one to mutilate others pets or enjoy watching an animal die a painful death by arrow or gunshot? A VERY large segment of the human race is sick.

People in other countries stone young girls for leaving their violent, abusive husbands also. So it's ok since people in other countries do it?

Pain and suffering is a fact of life on this planet. But that doesn't mean we have to embrace or enjoy inflicting it on another living being. That doesn't raise us above wild animal intellect, it makes us on par with them.

I would settle for a quiet lethal injection for MV as long as he and his genetics were eradicated quickly and completely. That our society is welcoming him back into it and even rewarding him (NIKE) is disgusting.

Humans have a tendency to be vile. Rome was full of bloodlust.
It fell and so will all societies lacking real intellect. Notice anything going on around you?
Neanderthal man could kill. But he couldn't repair a newborn's bad heart valve or figure out how to build flying machines. The difference is intellect.
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I'm guessing your a vegetarian, haha, hunting animals is the way of live our ancestors did it and its the circle of life, I'm not saying would should kill dogs or anything but if we didnt hunt over population would eventually come into play and we would be running over deer and who knows what other animals on the highway and causing car wrecks and other problems, Mike Vick paid his debt to society by going to prison and we should atleast for now believe that he is sorry for what he did, and I like the post above saying and its true some people in other countries still continue to eat dogs and other animals you all would consider to be inhumane, are you going to go over there and be pissed at them to?
 
sethman88 said:
I'm guessing your a vegetarian, haha, hunting animals is the way of live our ancestors did it and its the circle of life, I'm not saying would should kill dogs or anything but if we didnt hunt over population would eventually come into play and we would be running over deer and who knows what other animals on the highway and causing car wrecks and other problems...
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I have noticed many people making the connection between dog fighting and hunting. Not at all equivalent as you point out.
 
RiverOfIce said:
Going to ignore the person and crime. I seriously think people make huge mistakes and can change. I have made some bad mistakes and still today feel horrible about them. The great thing about humans is that they can be wrong and sometimes when they are, they learn from their mistakes. Until other proven, I am going to assume that he is actually sorry for what he did, and deserves the best wishes.

Does not mean we forget what he did, but we can forgive, he is only human. And it is very human for us to forgive.
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Do you think everyone deserves a second chance? What about those that bother kids and are forced to revealing this horrendous past crime by telling everyone in the neighborhood he is a convicted molester?

A television producer once told me that there are two things you dare not do on screen: you do not kill a child and you do not kill a dog. (or perhaps even a cat) To do either outrages the viewing public. You will see it from time to time, but great thought is given to how turned off the public will be and how it can affect the bottom line.

You can kill a thousand men in a battle scene, but kids and dogs are off limits.

I am not equating hurting a child with hurting a dog, but some things are almost universally decried by the public and Mr. Vick's crime is one of those things that tends to affect people in a big way.

I am glad Vick is speaking out and I hope he has learned a lesson. That said, I will be pissed if/when we learn that he did it for sake of his image rather than being truly repentant. If the latter is true, he should be ashamed of himself.
 
Bob Maxey said:
I have noticed many people making the connection between dog fighting and hunting. Not at all equivalent as you point out.
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I'm not saying they are the same, and I do not like dog fighting either because I love dogs and have 2 at home, but some people are still doing it as gambling and just because they like idk why but they do, and they aren't going to stop until they get caught doing something illegal, so really my point is people in todays world worry WAY!!!!! to much about what other people do in their lifes, and how they conduct themselves and how they live their own life, everyone just needs to stop worrying about things like that, because nothing you say or do can change the way they truely feel about something inside, and unless you are a cop or judge, you legally cant do anything about it other then tipping the police, so just let them live their lifes, and you live yours and worry about the things that actually may have an effect in your life, and your families lifes, not someone who possible lives 1000 miles away,
 
Bob Maxey said:
I have noticed many people making the connection between dog fighting and hunting. Not at all equivalent as you point out.
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Maybe not the equivalent but not that far off. Most hunters kill animals not because they need the food they kill for the sport of it the same as someone who fights dogs thus couldn't you term both as animal murderers?
 
robertj298 said:
Maybe not the equivalent but not that far off. Most hunters kill animals not because they need the food they kill for the sport of it the same as someone who fights dogs thus couldn't you term both as animal murderers?
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For sake of argument, you are aware that culling the herds of many of these animals (generally deer) is actually healthy and necessary for the ecosystem to function properly (largely because we've eradicated much of the natural predators in various ways)?

Also, shooting a deer dead, and watching two animals viciously tear each other apart, are the scenarios we are comparing here. Even the deer that falls purely for sport isn't allowed to suffer for hours at a time.

Lastly, we, as humans, produced the domestic dog. It stands to reason that we are much closer to these animals. They share our homes, and sometimes meals and beds. Can't say that for a deer. It is human nature to care more for the creatures that are closer to our hearts. Let's talk about insect and rat baits for a second. Those are used by animal lovers around the world. There are some animals that matter more to us, and some that don't matter at all. Simple as that.
 
lordofthereef said:
For sake of argument, you are aware that culling the herds of many of these animals (generally deer) is actually healthy and necessary for the ecosystem to function properly (largely because we've eradicated much of the natural predators in various ways)?

Also, shooting a deer dead, and watching two animals viciously tear each other apart, are the scenarios we are comparing here. Even the deer that falls purely for sport isn't allowed to suffer for hours at a time.

Lastly, we, as humans, produced the domestic dog. It stands to reason that we are much closer to these animals. They share our homes, and sometimes meals and beds. Can't say that for a deer. It is human nature to care more for the creatures that are closer to our hearts. Let's talk about insect and rat baits for a second. Those are used by animal lovers around the world. There are some animals that matter more to us, and some that don't matter at all. Simple as that.
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I agree but its no more far fetched as comparing dog fighting to someone who rapes children
 
robertj298 said:
Maybe not the equivalent but not that far off. Most hunters kill animals not because they need the food they kill for the sport of it the same as someone who fights dogs thus couldn't you term both as animal murderers?
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Dog fighting, intentionally hurting a dog, beating a dog with a hammer are illegal activities. Hunting is not illegal. Some hunters hunt for sport, but most also eat what they kill.

Beating a dog for no reason is never, EVER acceptable.

Read this "According to the prosecutor's statement of facts in the case, between 2002 and 2007 Michael Vick and his co-conspirators Purnell Peace, Quanis Phillips and Tony Taylor killed thirteen dogs by various methods including wetting one dog down and electrocuting her, hanging, drowning and shooting others and, in at least one case, by slamming a dog
 
Pets and wild animals are not the same, so stop trying to compare them. People who have dogs love them, have their kids play with them and they are considered to be part of the family. Some people even go as far as to say their dog is like one of their children. No one has a deer in their house that they love. Don't blame the messenger, many of you asked "what is the difference when this hypothetical animal gets killed". Now you know the difference.
 
lordofthereef said:
I am sure someone SOMEWHERE does! :D
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I agree, I'm sure they are near and "deer" to their hearts.....ZINGGGG! ok. sorry.

Back on Topic:

People do not need to trust or forgive Michael Vick...it's part of his life long punishment. He'll have to carry that burden all throughout his life and it would probably affect his kids too.

I have more hope/belief that he is not doing this to repair his image so he can make money but rather to try to somehow make things right.
 
How about shoving an electrode up a minks rectum so as not to damage the pelt? How about blinding rabbits with copious amounts of cosmetics? What about constricting a bulls testicles to make him buck as a man attempts to ride on it's back? Greyhound racing? Puppy Mills? And what about the baby seals?

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Go ahead ... club me to death.
 
lunatic59 said:
How about shoving an electrode up a minks rectum so as not to damage the pelt? How about blinding rabbits with copious amounts of cosmetics? What about constricting a bulls testicles to make him buck as a man attempts to ride on it's back? Greyhound racing? Puppy Mills? And what about the baby seals?

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Go ahead ... club me to death.
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Oh hell to the no!! Oh no you diiiiiint! :eek::p
 
I'm not sure why people are mentioning other animals that are killed. This thread is about Vick. If you have an issue with rats and bulls, maybe you should make a thread about it?
 
Rodeos have always been ridiculous IMO.

Greyhound racing, if the animals are treated right, is fine. They were bred to run and they love doing it.

Puppy Mills is a tough subject. Generally, the term is used to describe a place that breeds dogs in immense proportions without meeting their basic health needs. I think in many cases they can be considered animal cruelty, though they need to be reported first.

Not sure what to say about baby seals. If it's for sustenance, great. If for fun, obviously not so great.
 
Tommy78 said:
I'm not sure why people are mentioning other animals that are killed. This thread is about Vick. If you have an issue with rats and bulls, maybe you should make a thread about it?
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It's also not about child molesters, but that's being bandied about as well. The point is about cruelty to animals, some we allow and some we don't for various reasons, in various degrees of severity with various consequences. And, it varies from culture to culture and even among differing socioeconomic groups.
 
lunatic59 said:
It's also not about child molesters, but that's being bandied about as well. The point is about cruelty to animals, some we allow and some we don't for various reasons, in various degrees of severity with various consequences. And, it varies from culture to culture and even among differing socioeconomic groups.
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It's not about child molesters. I guess you still do not get that part from several posts up. This thread is not about cruelty to animals, it's about Vick killing dogs for fun. If you have an issue with one or all of the animals being killed that you mentioned, find someone who is responsible for it and talk about it. Just randomly mentioning that a rat is killed somewhere somehow does no good.
 
Clearly, we are using examples to point out why it is wrong to kill a dog, but not so wrong to kill a deer, depending on the situation. THAT is where the other animals come in.
 
The funny thing about all this is, I see more people getting worked up or angry about Vick torturing dogs than other athletes who have commited violence, murder or rape against another human being. Man, this world is sick.
 
dylo22 said:
The funny thing about all this is, I see more people getting worked up or angry about Vick torturing dogs than other athletes who have commited violence, murder or rape against another human being. Man, this world is sick.
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It's what is hot in the news right now. Can you give examples of other athletes that tortured, raped, and/or murdered another human being that the public was not upset about?
 
dylo22 said:
The funny thing about all this is, I see more people getting worked up or angry about Vick torturing dogs than other athletes who have commited violence, murder or rape against another human being. Man, this world is sick.
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What do you mean "you see more people getting worked up about Vick"? You chose to post in a Vick thread, that's why you see people getting worked up about Vick. Post a thread about other athletes so we can talk about that too. You won't though, you just wanted to make a snappy comment and then leave, correct?
 
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