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After what he did I see his attempts at goodness to not be real. People say that he served his time and that is that, but are child molesters seen as good decent people when they get out of jail and want to talk to children in a positive way? They served their time, yes, but does that mean everything is fine now? No. Some things just do not go away no matter what you do, especially crimes including ending lives. Basically his crime was over the line and unforgivable for me.
lordofthereef said:
I lost you here completely. :confused:
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lordofthereef said:
I believe that people can change too, just not for the right reasons (in this situation). If he isn't doing what he used to do, that is physical proof of change, is it not? Does he feel it's not wrong? I don't know, but I find it hard to believe that he thought it was ok before and doesn't now. I mean did he have some sort of mental rehab? I think not. He spent a good while in the slammer and realized it wasn't worth it.
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I think his change is not only for his image to the public but mainly for his kids and family. People can say they changed but without actions those words don't mean a thing. He's been in a lot of interviews since he was released in jail and pretty much owned up to his transgressions. I think he's trying to mend his image with his family more than his image with sponsors by being an advocate for anti dogfighting bills.

I guess this discussion is more so about him feeling remorse rather than learning his lesson. Its understandable that people won't ever forgive him because they hold an animals life (well life in general) to a higher value than Vick did. I think he's never gonna get everyone to like him anymore but he deserves that.
 
xmr405o said:
I think his change is not only for his image to the public but mainly for his kids and family. People can say they changed but without actions those words don't mean a thing. He's been in a lot of interviews since he was released in jail and pretty much owned up to his transgressions. I think he's trying to mend his image with his family more than his image with sponsors by being an advocate for anti dogfighting bills.

I guess this discussion is more so about him feeling remorse rather than learning his lesson. Its understandable that people won't ever forgive him because they hold an animals life (well life in general) to a higher value than Vick did. I think he's never gonna get everyone to like him anymore but he deserves that.
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Owning up to your transgressions when you are caught in the act... I am not sure I would call that noble. Sure, he wants it for his family, his career, etc. I get that. Those are all selfish reasons. One does not go from torturing animals to becoming an animal rights advocate without ulterior motives. Not unless he also happens to be bipolar.

Bottom line is, saying he is sorry and "atoning" for his actions is exactly what he should/would be doing if he wants to continue on with his career and making the big bucks.
 
robertj298 said:
After what he did I see his attempts at goodness to not be real. People say that he served his time and that is that, but are child molesters seen as good decent people when they get out of jail and want to talk to children in a positive way? They served their time, yes, but does that mean everything is fine now? No. Some things just do not go away no matter what you do, especially crimes including ending lives. Basically his crime was over the line and unforgivable for me.


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That's perfectly fine, though there was no comparison of crimes in my eyes. Someone does something bad and atone for their crimes LEGALLY speaking. Depending on the severity of the crime, their name is not washed of their actions, perhaps ever. They are permanently branded long after they have settled with the law. I am almost certain that was where the comparison was.
 
lordofthereef said:
Owning up to your transgressions when you are caught in the act... I am not sure I would call that noble. Sure, he wants it for his family, his career, etc. I get that. Those are all selfish reasons. One does not go from torturing animals to becoming an animal rights advocate without ulterior motives. Not unless he also happens to be bipolar.

Bottom line is, saying he is sorry and "atoning" for his actions is exactly what he should/would be doing if he wants to continue on with his career and making the big bucks.
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I guess this is where we disagree because I don't think wanting to make it right with his family is selfish. I'm sure he doesn't want his kids to make the same mistake as he did. For the past few years, all his kids have seen and read have been negative. Why wouldn't he want to try to change that at least with his kids by doing things in the public eye by supporting anti dogfighting bills so they have some positive things to see.

We don't know his motives and we can only speculate at this point. If you think about it, he wouldn't even have a career if Philly didn't give him a chance and if Kevin Kolb didn't mess up. I can probably say that even if he didn't go back to the NFL, he would probably still be endorsing anti-dogfighting bills. But again, that's speculation because right now, he's the starting QB and making money again.
 
So tell your kid "son, daddy is a prick who beat dogs. Don't do that. It makes you a bad person." Instead, he is going out in the public and speaking against dog fighting to clear his name. It doesn't take publicly speaking against something to teach your kids proper values. I don't beat dogs, or really practice any other questionable/illegal activity, and it didn't take my daddy going on TV to make that happen. I would think that 99.9999% (add a couple 9's there) of Americans are in the same boat.

Another thought... who is this guy? Politically he is nobody. What does it matter whether he endorses this bill or not? If he has changed his tune so drastically, start a shelter for abused and neglected dogs. But nah, this is free, this is easy, and therefor that is the choice that was made.
 
They feel that a guy who formerly killed dogs and "has been reformed" is the perfect spokesperson to stop it from happening again since he knows all about it.
 
lordofthereef said:
So tell your kid "son, daddy is a prick who beat dogs. Don't do that. It makes you a bad person." Instead, he is going out in the public and speaking against dog fighting to clear his name. It doesn't take publicly speaking against something to teach your kids proper values. I don't beat dogs, or really practice any other questionable/illegal activity, and it didn't take my daddy going on TV to make that happen. I would think that 99.9999% (add a couple 9's there) of Americans are in the same boat.

Another thought... who is this guy? Politically he is nobody. What does it matter whether he endorses this bill or not? If he has changed his tune so drastically, start a shelter for abused and neglected dogs. But nah, this is free, this is easy, and therefor that is the choice that was made.
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Tommy78 said:
They feel that a guy who formerly killed dogs and "has been reformed" is the perfect spokesperson to stop it from happening again since he knows all about it.
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Life of a celebrity is different from ours so the way they have to handle things is different than how we would.

So let's say, his kids Googled using keywords "Michael Vick dog fighting" 3 years ago...what kind of articles do you think would pop up? Nothing but negative, hatred filled blogs, etc...

How about today? More than likely there would be some positive articles that pop up, right? So to me, I see that he has to go out in public and use media outlets to even have a shot at redemption.

And no I don't agree he is the "perfect" spokesperson for this campaign...I mean I would have chosen Urkel over him but shoot it wasn't my bill. :p
 
If he is doing this so his kids think he is a good guy, that sort of negates your statement that he isn't selfish. You want your kids to think you are awesome for purely selfish reasons. If his kids do Google him as you suggest, I can only hope they are bright enough to question him for his actions and what led him to where he is today.
 
Isn't it just a little bit too convenient for him to be doing this just as the season is about to start? I think we can agree that he wants to be popular again and make loads of money. Is this not a good reason alone to put yourself out there and try to make people think you've changed? He doesn't give two shits about dogs, it seems naive to think otherwise.
 
Tommy78 said:
Isn't it just a little bit too convenient for him to be doing this just as the season is about to start? I think we can agree that he wants to be popular again and make loads of money. Is this not a good reason alone to put yourself out there and try to make people think you've changed? He doesn't give two shits about dogs, it seems naive to think otherwise.
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The sentiment of some seems to be to "give the guy a break, or another chance". That is great, except I say I have no reason to. There is not a sole here that can convince me he didn't know what he was doing was incredibly wrong on every level while he was doing that, unless they made the argument that he was admitted to a psych clinic (which he was no AFAIK).

Go ahead, give people that do things like this another chance. I have seen far too many second chances turn into exactly what I am speaking against; people trying to clear their name so that their prior actions don't hurt their future success.
 
Tommy78 said:
Isn't it just a little bit too convenient for him to be doing this just as the season is about to start? I think we can agree that he wants to be popular again and make loads of money. Is this not a good reason alone to put yourself out there and try to make people think you've changed? He doesn't give two shits about dogs, it seems naive to think otherwise.
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Isn't it a little bit disingenuous to claim it was timed to coincide with the the start of the season, when, until yesterday we didn't even know if there was going to be a season?
 
Its funny if an animal is thought of as being cute and fun to have. We then have laws to protect it. We hate people that harms the pets we like. Then at the same time the pet lovers will not hesitate to kill an animal that is deemed a pest. Why cant they have the same protections as your pets do? After all they are all animals and we shouldnt be able to dictate what animals should live or die.
 
Dark Jedi said:
Its funny if an animal is thought of as being cute and fun to have. We then have laws to protect it. We hate people that harms the pets we like. Then at the same time the pet lovers will not hesitate to kill an animal that is deemed a pest. Why cant they have the same protections as your pets do? After all they are all animals and we shouldnt be able to dictate what animals should live or die.
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What animals are you talking about?
 
Tommy78 said:
The season was going to happen one way or another, you know that. This would be the time to act if you were him.
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Oh, sorry, i forgot that i knew that. I must have been confusing it with the years we had no NBA , NHL or MLB seasons. Professional sports ALWAYS work things out before the season starts. How silly of me.
 
Well lets see Rats, Mice, Snakes, Moles, and so on. You know PESTS.:rolleyes:

I never see an animal lover try to protect any of those animals and I bet everyone has killed at least one pest in their life.
 
Dark Jedi said:
Its funny if an animal is thought of as being cute and fun to have. We then have laws to protect it. We hate people that harms the pets we like. Then at the same time the pet lovers will not hesitate to kill an animal that is deemed a pest. Why cant they have the same protections as your pets do? After all they are all animals and we shouldnt be able to dictate what animals should live or die.
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Yes we should be able to decide which animals live or die. Rats, raccoons, wild animals all can lead to issues like rabies. I am all for killing rats but against torturing them for sport.

I think you are reaching a bit tooooooo far.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Yes we should be able to decide which animals live or die. Rats, raccoons, wild animals all can lead to issues like rabies. I am all for killing rats but against torturing them for sport.

I think you are reaching a bit tooooooo far.
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If there was a way to thank someone twice, I would have done it.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Yes we should be able to decide which animals live or die. Rats, raccoons, wild animals all can lead to issues like rabies. I am all for killing rats but against torturing them for sport.

I think you are reaching a bit tooooooo far.
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Why they have every right to live as you do. Last time I checked dogs can carry rabies. So if your for killing animals that can possibly carry rabies. Then you should be for the killing of dogs also. :rolleyes:

I think you need to take your blinders off. ;)
 
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