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What can the iphone do that android can't?

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IOWA said:
Mr Speedmaster, your last post is utterly riduculous. Normally your posts have merit, but that.. is just way off. Care to explain how a proprietary dock that only wworks with iOs devices is better than a universal, wireless standard that can accomplish all those same tasks/features just the same and just as easily and will work with tons of other devices?

If you can't concede that the universal standard, that would work across all devices that should choose to implement said technology, is better than a propreitary standard, that only one company can use, and only works with a handful of devices with said company, than you sir, are the fanboy here.
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I guess I didn't make it clear.

I'm not debating the merits of the dock vs DLNA standard. DLNA is preferred if it can be done and implemented in an easy way. It is still a long way off.

The reality is car manufactures have already chosen to embrace the iOS. If you don't like it, you can choose a different car.
However, a car is a bigger investment than a phone.I know people who exchange phones if it doesn't properly pair with their cars. I see it on car forums all the time.
I rather choose a phone that works with my car. A million of other consumers would do the same.

DLNA is great. I love it. I am using it. It is great. In theory and in certain applications.

However, I can see lots of issues in a car use. DLNA is different on my Sanmsung Galaxy as it different on the Droid X. Using the built in Allplayer, I can't save playlists and it is a 15 minute affair to setup streaming music from my phone to another DLNA client.
I can't imagine myself spending 15 minutes to set up my playlist before my commute. Each phone will have its own implementation and each software will be different. In addition, the DLNA client will have to be configured differently.

Moreover, in the real world, no car manufacturers have implemented it. It is a LOOOOOOOOONG way off.

Read the guidelines for car use:
http://www.dlna.org/industry/join/organization/DLNA_in_the_Car_Synopsis.pdf

Even when you do get DLNA. There is still the issue of address-book synching, voice reading of text-messages, reading your emails for safety related reasons. IP4 has that taken care of NOW.
DLNA is a great standard but it is not implemented for the car. It lacks a lot of features and there are many "ifs". So each car would need to be a base-station to communicate with the phone.
People have enough problems pairing their bluetooth and now we want to introduce wifi pairing w/ WPA, WEP with possible different authentication...

Car manufactures need to standardize on a automotive client standard. Phone manufactures need to agree on a standardize DLNA phone server to talk to those car clients.


The point I am making is about what is available today to consumers. Whether you like it or not the 30pin dock has become the defacto standard for many car manufacturers. They implemented by sheer ubiquity.
Right now, car manufactuer have chosen the iPhone to due to sheer ubiquity.

When I pick up my new car in December, there is no DLNA. There is no Android solution. It could be a good 2-3 years away before Android (using DLNA) can gain any traction.

Like someone else said.. They key thing is about a shipping product and solution versus and idealize scenario.
 
Order pizza from pizza hut with a click. Oh how I loved doing that on my iPod Touch..that I have since lost :(

Not that I cant just you know...call and order :p! I couldnt think of anything else.
 
mrspeedmaster said:
I guess I didn't make it clear.

I'm not debating the merits of the dock vs DLNA standard. DLNA is preferred if it can be done and implemented in an easy way. It is still a long way off.

The reality is car manufactures have already chosen to embrace the iOS. If you don't like it, you can choose a different car.
However, a car is a bigger investment than a phone.I know people who exchange phones if it doesn't properly pair with their cars. I see it on car forums all the time.
I rather choose a phone that works with my car. A million of other consumers would do the same.

DLNA is great. I love it. I am using it. It is great. In theory and in certain applications.
However, I can see lots of issues in a car use. DLNA is different on my Sanmsung Galaxy as it different on the Droid X. Using the built in Allplayer, I can't save playlists and it is a 15 minute affair to setup streaming music from my phone to another DLNA client.
I can't imagine myself spending 15 minutes to set up my playlist before my commute. Each phone will have its own implementation and each software will be different. In addition, the DLNA client will have to be configured differently.

Moreover, in the real world, no car manufacturers have implemented it. It is a LOOOOOOOOONG way off.

Read the guidelines for car use:
http://www.dlna.org/industry/join/organization/DLNA_in_the_Car_Synopsis.pdf

Even when you do get DLNA. There is still the issue of address-book synching, voice reading of text-messages, reading your emails for safety related reasons. IP4 has that taken care of NOW.
DLNA is a great standard but it is not implemented for the car. It lacks a lot of features and there are many "ifs". So each car would need to be a base-station to communicate with the phone.
People have enough problems pairing their bluetooth and now we want to introduce wifi pairing w/ WPA, WEP with possible different authentication...

Car manufactures need to standardize on a automotive client standard. Phone manufactures need to agree on a standardize DLNA phone server to talk to those car clients.


The point I am making is about what is available today to consumers. Whether you like it or not the 30pin dock has become the defacto standard for many car manufacturers. They implemented by sheer ubiquity.
Right now, car manufactuer have chosen the iPhone to due to sheer ubiquity.

When I pick up my new car in December, there is no DLNA. There is no Android solution. It could be a good 2-3 years away before Android (using DLNA) can gain any traction.

Like someone else said.. They key thing is about a shipping product and solution versus and idealize scenario.
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Ok that clears things up a bit. But it really takes you 15 minutes to get DLNA running? You must be doing something wrong because even using twonky on my phone it takes no more than a minute or so to have media streaming through my 360 or PC.

You ever stop and think car manufacturers choose the iOs dock system because Apple made a business arrangement with them?and actually, now that I think about it, this could also be achieved through another standard that is already implemented in most newer cars, bluetooth. And texting and email in the car? Like we need more distracctions for all the piss poor drivers out there and the already astounding death rate in accidents for what should be a fairly simple and straight forward task? Sometime technology is bad for us. We don't need to be concentrating on emails and texts while in the car.
 
ari-free said:
LOL a lot of iPhone users are regretting they updated to ios4.
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That's past models though, and Apple is apparently working on a way to speed them up.


I'm not an Apple fanboy, I think Android is the superior OS, but it's much more beneficial to the hardware/cellular providers. I'm hoping Google can fix this in a year or two.
 
mrspeedmaster said:
I guess I didn't make it clear.

However, a car is a bigger investment than a phone.I know people who exchange phones if it doesn't properly pair with their cars. I see it on car forums all the time.
I rather choose a phone that works with my car. A million of other consumers would do the same.
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You're also choosing AT&T because of your car. You have to pay for their data plan and it doesn't cover most of the country.
 
chrisinsocalif said:
The iPhone can turn you into a condescending a$$hole who likes to follow popular trends which is not based on knowledge of technology. (too harsh?)
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Not exclusively an iPhone thing. People who act like that would be just as condescending with an EVO or a Galaxy S. Let's not pretend all Android users are perfect...
 
Intervenient said:
That's past models though, and Apple is apparently working on a way to speed them up.
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Apple isn't any different than the other OEMS: they are hardware companies and want you to buy the latest phone. Google wants their OS to be everywhere and they have a bigger incentive to optimize it for the el cheapos.
I think before the Droid came around, OEMs didn't take android that seriously. So they might offer an android model just to give google a chance but it was never their true pride and joy. HTC and Samsung's flagship phones at the time were WinMo. Now the winmo users are realizing that they won't get WP7. There are no guarantees but if you pick the most open solution, you'll have a chance.
Also, a phone that is available on many carriers will have much better support than on just one small carrier such as t-mobile or Sprint.
 
ari-free said:
Apple isn't any different than the other OEMS: they are hardware companies and want you to buy the latest phone. Google wants their OS to be everywhere and they have a bigger incentive to optimize it for the el cheapos.
I think before the Droid came around, OEMs didn't take android that seriously. So they might offer an android model just to give google a chance but it was never their true pride and joy. HTC and Samsung's flagship phones at the time were WinMo. Now the winmo users are realizing that they won't get WP7. There are no guarantees but if you pick the most open solution, you'll have a chance.
Also, a phone that is available on many carriers will have much better support than on just one small carrier such as t-mobile or Sprint.
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Yes, but Apple is releasing a new phone only every year. HTC alone has released the Evo4, Aria, Vision, Wildfire, Incredible, myTouch, Legend, just this half of 2010. That's a big difference.

Google needs to crack down on companies not providing their phone's adequate update schedules.
 
im an android fan

but im still using iphone becouse its mising notes syncing like iphone notes and some stuff are soo easy to sync without doing anything...and some apps are still missing from market that i would like to see and use

but personally i hate iphone but im forced to stay with it untill those apps comes and untill android os adds notes sync too specially htc becouse i use htc more..and also iphone got good easy emailing system as far as i have used and all mobile websites that i been on both system i like it more with iphone and there are few stuff i really like to see with android and im hoping that comes quick soo i can dump my iphone and also android need to send updates just like apples not only once per year

i had two phones soo far with android

htc tattoo unlocked love that phone and motorola backflip was really good too

i love android style of multitasking and all the stuff

overall im an android fan
 
Intervenient said:
Yes, but Apple is releasing a new phone only every year. HTC alone has released the Evo4, Aria, Vision, Wildfire, Incredible, myTouch, Legend, just this half of 2010. That's a big difference.

Google needs to crack down on companies not providing their phone's adequate update schedules.
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You mean cracking down on companies not provding updates that the vast majority of people don't even care about?
 
IOWA said:
You mean cracking down on companies not provding updates that the vast majority of people don't even care about?
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I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people really wouldn't mind if their phone ran faster, had a browser that had flash, and fixed bugs going on with the hardware. Just because people don't know, doesn't mean it's an excuse.
 
Updates are soo slow so far with all the networks and carrier but I think google should control this updates not carrier or companys
 
Its not what it can't do, its what it can do better.

Like the iOS is faster most of the time, doesn't suffer from Lag a lot of the time, and has a better App store at the moment, it also has some better utilities.

However, yes, the iOS UI is no where near as good as Android's in my opinion.
 
Intervenient said:
Of course Google does. Network providers and hardware manufacturers do not. They need to sell new phones.
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they are also offering new services such as v-cast on verizon or media hub for samsung. See, they want to sell new phones but they realize that so does everyone else. But if they keep making money on you while you are on the phone you already have, that's a good thing. They'll want you to keep it longer and you'll do that if the OS gets updates. You won't switch to the other OEM's phone.
 
JccageX2 said:
Its not what it can't do, its what it can do better.

Like the iOS is faster most of the time, doesn't suffer from Lag a lot of the time, and has a better App store at the moment, it also has some better utilities.

However, yes, the iOS UI is no where near as good as Android's in my opinion.
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Have you even tried the latest generation of android phones? Especially a nexus one running 2..2? No lag, at all. Ever. And immediate updates. I just wish google would make a new nexus and slide it across all carriers.
 
You guys can sit here are argue about which phone is better than the other. But in the end it is really going to boil down to what the PERSON BUYING the phone wants. I had an iPhone and I got tired of not being able to do certain things in it and ended up jailbreaking it, which actually made it slow down a bit (at least it seemed that way to me). Where as when I got my Samsung Galaxy (which by the way has a camera that DOES take as good of a picture that an iPhone does and I have compared the quality first hand with friends who have iPhone 4, tho it does lack flash).

With the Galaxy out of the box I was able to customize it and set it up in a way that I LIKED and customization is important to me. But being with AT&T has limited that ability to a certain extent, but that has to do with the bastard carrier I'm with rather than the phone it self.

Another random thing I'm going to throw out there. Apple is going to remain popular, ALWAYS. Not because it is better but because Apple is a MARKETING MACHINE. Those bastards know how to sell sh*t (literally). But over time it will end up being popular to only a select amount of people and Android BASED devices will eventually grow to overtake iPhones. And here's why: Android is an OS that is designed to be used by multiple different phone manufacturers. When you have some of the biggest cell phone manufacturers, meaning they make/sell the most number of phones overall, using Android (Samsung which is number 2 and Motorola which is either 3 or 4 can't remember) what that means is Android is a better growth potential than the iPhone because Apple manufactures the phone AND controls the OS which it runs on. Going to use the example of Windows vs. Mac (and please don't start an argument about which is better). When the two first came out Mac was more dominant but over time Windows took over because other computer companies could run Windows and this gave people more choices. And believe it or not, PEOPLE LIKE CHOICES. Now we have come to a point in time where Windows is the most dominant OS (again not going to argue which is better). BUT if Android (well Google) can steer clear of some of the issues that Microsoft has run into it should do just fine.
 
apere006 said:
Now this is just silly and condescending. There are many more normal people that understand how to use an iPhone compared to android. This sounds like linux users holding back linux and not making it easier to use because the problem is with users and not linux. I hope android doesn't go down this path.
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This is one point I really disagree with. If you're doing the same things, both OSes should be the same easiness. Android is possibly considered "harder" to use because there are more things that it can do that normal people wouln't even know where to begin, but the iphone can't even do those things. If all you need to do is call, txt, web browse, check email, for both phones its as easy as clicking on an icon. Is that really all that hard?
 
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