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Root What do the 2.2 ROMs get you?

The ROMS are all here, at xda-developer's forums: Droid Eris Android Development - xda-developers

Look for the threads that start [ROM]

Nonsensikal, since that's the one that you mention: [ROM|Final Release][12/17] Nonsensikal v16.1 [CM 6.1.1|Black&Blue|Vanilla] - xda-developers

You can download it to your computer if you wish, and copy to the SD card on the phone after tethering it if you wish. If you do download it to the phone, it will store the file in the /downloads directory - you need to move the file to the root directory of the SD Card, so you need to do that on a computer or with an app like Astro File Manager. If you download it to a PC, don't unzip the file that you download - just copy the .zip file to the root directory of your SD card. Amon's Recovery, the custom recovery image that will replace the stock recovery and which you use to flash ROMs, will only see the .zip files in the root directory.
 
Most of the ROMs are found on the XDA site.
For 2.2 ROMs I'm found of Nonsensikal and FroShedYo, I believe Doogald is using Celb these days, which would indicate (to me at least) that it's a good reliable ROM.
Google 'XDA ROM' and whatever ROM you want to find (ie xda rom celb) then look for a link that begins "[ROM]', that'll be where you go to download the ROM, and equally important, to read what others have to say about. Most of the ROM threads are VERY long, you'll want to read ALL of the first post which is where the dev keeps us all up to date, and while you're on the first post note what the current version number is. Then go to the end of the thread and work backwards until you find the spot where the discussion starts about the new version. Read forward from that point and you'll find that most questions you may have about the ROM are answered (repeatedly :) )
 
ok. i've connected via usb, changed to "mount as a disk drive".

I don't see just and sdcard folder. Or is F:\ considered my root directory?

Nevermind. It is. Just noticed after moving things via tether and then looking at them with ES file manager.

OK, thanks a bunch all of you. I wish I could try it out right now, but gotta go focus on the Jets-Pats and don't want to be messing with phone the whole time. I'll keep you posted.

So after flashing nonsensikal or celb, can you then flash other things on top or are you essentially replacing roms? ie when above stated they flashed to fix radio, or flash for dialers, keyboards, etc
 
reisb said:
ok. i've connected via usb, changed to "mount as a disk drive".

I don't see just and sdcard folder. Or is F:\ considered my root directory?
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yes.assuming thats the usb port your phone is plugged into. :) you will just want to make sure you dont put it inside another folder. place it right alongside all the other files that that are on the phone sd card.

if you havent yet,read thru this thread:
http://androidforums.com/eris-all-t...is-app-apk-no-pcs-no-scripts-needed-easy.html

one option would be go this route first,before attempting to change any roms. that gives you root acess with the rom currently on your phone.

i used the market app,but its basically the same. heres what i did: first time i booted into recovery i made a backup of the stock rom. then i ran rootme.zip. then i researched roms,downloaded one and plugged in my phone. at this point youll see the rootme zip file and youll know for sure youre putting your new rom in the right place. i just drag it from the "downloads" folder on my pc to my phone folder. make sure you remove the drive from the pc before turning it off on the phone.

now you can boot into recovery again. make a backup of your rooted stock rom. do the wipes,install your rom.

basically,take small steps. :) you dont need to install the rom of choice right when you root for the first time. its alittle less scary that way.
 
OK, thanks a bunch all of you. I wish I could try it out right now, but gotta go focus on the Jets-Pats and don't want to be messing with phone the whole time. I'll keep you posted.

So after flashing nonsensikal or celb, can you then flash other things on top or are you essentially replacing roms? ie when above stated they flashed to fix radio, or flash for dialers, keyboards, etc
 
reisb said:
So after flashing nonsensikal or celb, can you then flash other things on top or are you essentially replacing roms? ie when above stated they flashed to fix radio, or flash for dialers, keyboards, etc
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flash them right on top.

now,i dont believe you can change any keyboard or dialer on any rom, but the ones that you can,as well as fixes with certain roms(like the radio flash) are done after the main rom is flashed.

a word of warning with celb,you have to read the first post and pay attention(even read between the lines alittle :p ) i flashed 4.1,and dint have the market or a couple other things until i flashed the gapps-mdpi-20101008-signed.zip mentioned about halfway thru it.

i simply booted back into recovery, flashed that file without doing any wipes,and when i rebooted voila it took me to he google setup screen.

sometimes a developer will have choices of what apps you want-minimalistic or loaded,for lack of better way to explain it. in these cases youll pick one of the 2 files,and flash it after flashing the main part of the rom. so make sure you read thru the developers instructions and download the necessary extra files if needed.
 
reisb said:
So after flashing nonsensikal or celb, can you then flash other things on top or are you essentially replacing roms? ie when above stated they flashed to fix radio, or flash for dialers, keyboards, etc
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Yes, (with limitations).

Usually it will be obvious from looking at the patch author's post - they will say something like "flash this over your ROM" or similar.

About the only thing you can't get away with is flashing one ROM over the top of another - unless it is a slight upgrade of the same ROM from the same developer (for instance something like an upgrade from KF35 to KF36 or KF38). Sometimes in these cases the ROM developer will say "this is a no wipe upgrade", or alternately, "you need to wipe before installing this one - sorry!"


[ Edit ] dang, how did I miss scotty85's post? Sorry :o
 
erisuser1 said:
Dang, there must be more than that; either that or I should switch back to 2.1 :o
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lol, nope, I think you pretty well covered it. I've always said that the differences between the 2.1 and 2.2 ROMs are minor. However those minor differences (to me) have a large impact on which ROMs I choose to run. Which now that I read that is true about ALL of the ROMs. They all do essentially the same thing with some tweaks thrown in (or removed) by the dev, the differences are nearly always 'minor'. But what I see as a minor problem may be a show-stopper for someone else.
 
For a to the point answer 2.2 in of itself not a damn thing. The main thing you get is Cyanogenmod which has countless tweaks.
 
Thanks to many here for a great thread.
Does the voice dialer work in the Eris with 2.2? I'm new to Android/Eris and I have 2.1. The voice dialer is terrible and if I can't get it to work at least as good as the one did on my ancient win mobile Omnia I'm going to have to sell it back on Ebay and switch to another manufacturer.

So I'm needing a voice dialer that can simply dial a # on my contacts list accurately and without needing to touch the phone more than the one time to activate the voice dialer. I also don't want it to have to make a data connection just to dial a # in my contacts list. I don't have to have voice to txt or any of the other commands.
I've tried vlingo and it seems to have a nice feature set but it will only work using data.

Thanks,
John
 
Also, this is probably a dumb question but exactly what is "sense" in the eris? I see that some of the roms have sense and some don't but I can't figure out what I'd lose if I don't have "sense" (Nonsensikal) or what I'd get if I do (xtrSENSE).
 
LocalHero said:
So it basically just looks different? Is there no difference in functionality?
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Well,it's a little more than just looking different. The end results are the same(making calls,sending texts,browsing the net,running apps,etc). Sense kind of fine tunes things with it's widgets. You can have things like your email,calendar,or facebook notifications right on a home screen- accessible without having to open an app or the Internet browser.

Personally,i love some of the widgets,but I don't use any of the email or social networking widgets,so to me the "sense experience" is somewhat lost.

To me it does just "look different". To others it's much more than that.
 
HTC customized many of the stock Android apps on their phones with Sense. There is a different dialer, browser, messaging app; there is a people app, rather than a contacts app; the calendar app is different, the notification bar is different (and the difference is more than just the black color.) They also added a custom Facebook syncing service that does not exist in stock Android. Most of these differences are slight,but the dialer and contacts differences are bigger.

Sense itself is a home screen/launcher that you can replace with a third-party launcher (or with stock Android's launcher), but there is more than just the launcher. That's sort of the public face, but there are more differences.
 
doogald said:
HTC customized many of the stock Android apps on their phones with Sense. There is a different dialer, browser, messaging app; there is a people app, rather than a contacts app; the calendar app is different, the notification bar is different (and the difference is more than just the black color.) They also added a custom Facebook syncing service that does not exist in stock Android. Most of these differences are slight,but the dialer and contacts differences are bigger.

Sense itself is a home screen/launcher that you can replace with a third-party launcher (or with stock Android's launcher), but there is more than just the launcher. That's sort of the public face, but there are more differences.
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Thanks. So there's some differences in how I interact with the phone. I guess I'd have to try out different roms to see the differences? Or can I turn off "sense" on the phone and see the difference?

Meantime, if I can't get the voice dialer repaired/replaced it'll be a moot point.
 
Wow that was a much better exlanation than mine! :)

Like you said,your best bet is to play with Roms and find one you like. If you find you like the look of the sense menus and widgets,but not so much interface,there are froyo ROMs(like tazz) that look sort of that way.

If you find that you line the sense experience,but like the look of basic,plain vanilla android,there are 2.1 sense ROMs like that.
 
I didnt' want to have to start messing with different roms and the like. I don't want to have to put that much time into my phone. (learning curve and all)

I don't care too much about the look, I just want simple. What I do like about phones is the ability to customize buttons and screens. That way I can simply make the things I use easily available and ignore all the games and apps that I dont' use.
I like the customizable screens on the Eris so far and I like how I can swipe side to side for different screens. I like the tiny track ball.
I'm stumped by the little "back arrow" button being the way to end (does it really end?) an application. It's a small button inconveniently placed it seems to me. Every other phone I've ever had used the "end call" button to do this and just used the same button with a long press to lock the phone. Also to unlock the phone, instead of a long press on the end call button, I have to hit the end call button then swipe the screen? (two actions) I haven't spent enough time to be sure about all the options yet so maybe I'm missing something. The manual seems to have left some stuff out...

Gotta get to work. Thanks for the help.
 
LocalHero said:
I didnt' want to have to start messing with different roms and the like. I don't want to have to put that much time into my phone. (learning curve and all)

I don't care too much about the look, I just want simple. What I do like about phones is the ability to customize buttons and screens. That way I can simply make the things I use easily available and ignore all the games and apps that I dont' use.
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this being the case,id highly recomend CELB 4.3,froshedyo vanilla,or nonsensikal. all are basic roms that meet your criteria. im on CELB right now,but ive tried them all and all were quite good enuff for daily use :)
 
LocalHero said:
I'm stumped by the little "back arrow" button being the way to end (does it really end?) an application. It's a small button inconveniently placed it seems to me. Every other phone I've ever had used the "end call" button to do this and just used the same button with a long press to lock the phone. Also to unlock the phone, instead of a long press on the end call button, I have to hit the end call button then swipe the screen? (two actions) I haven't spent enough time to be sure about all the options yet so maybe I'm missing something. The manual seems to have left some stuff out...

Gotta get to work. Thanks for the help.
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using the back arrow or the home button to go back to a home screen does not necesarily end an app. some apps have an "exit" option in the menu,some do not. i have become accostomed to pusing the home softkey,then tapping task killer to end that app and whatever else may have started running.

on the other question,i dont believe there is a way to wake up the phone and unlock the screen with one action,but i could be wrong,ive never really searched for a setting like that. i frequently wake up my phone to look at the time or date,and then push the button again to put it back to sleep. i wouldnt really want my phone to unlock everytime i woke it it to check the time.
 
scotty85 said:
this being the case,id highly recomend CELB 4.3,froshedyo vanilla,or nonsensikal. all are basic roms that meet your criteria. im on CELB right now,but ive tried them all and all were quite good enuff for daily use :)
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I'd have to know I can get the voice dialer working before I'd put any more time into the phone. :(
 
I want to re-visit this question about the voice dialer if I may...

Today I stopped by a Verizon store thinking I'd check out what other phone options there were.
In the course of the demo from the Verizon rep, he showed me the Incredible and demonstrated that it has a voice dialer that works just as I am looking for. One touch and it talks back to me so I don't have to look at the phone again. He said that that was not available on the Eris because it was a 2.2 thing and Eris couldn't do 2.2.

Now I know from here that there's 2.2's that do work on the Eris (unofficial?) but do they work EXACTLY like the 2.2 on the Incredible? Of course my main focus is for the Voice dialer....does it work as I described above or is it the multi-touch version that is on my 2.1 Eris now?

Part 2 of my question is about data usage. The V rep said that even though the voice dialer does depend on data to function, it uses very little data. My Page Plus acct only gives me 20mb of data per mo. I realize it might be hard to believe to the average smart phone user, but I've been on PP for 9 or 10 months now and I think the most data I've used in a month is 3mb. So even with a 20mb data plan, I probably have some breathing room to use the voice dialer, occasional google maps etc. True?

I'm not excited about learning the flashing new ROM process but if I can get the v dialer to work as I want and speed up the phone at the same time I'd do it.
Does anyone have the Eris with some version of 2.2 and use the voice dialer who could tell me how it works?

Thanks,
John
 
no,they will not work exactly. while the rom is real 2.2 there are limitations with the hardware that will not allow all features to be used,like flash support. im not saying that the voice calling does not work,i dont know- this is a feature ive personally not used or cared much about(i use my phone alot in places where i dont want people to see me talking to it ;) )

hopefully someone can chime in with the functionality of the voice dialing.

best thing i could offer is if you were anywhere near dayton ohio i could meet you somewhere and let you play with my celb 4.3 froyo equipped phone. i could even help you root if you were local. the rooting and rom flashing seems scary when you read about it. the more you read and actually do it,it becomes less and less scary. i change roms like i change my socks,lol. i personally find it satisfying and entertaining.

that being said, im sure none of us want to talk you into something that you have reservations about,not knowing if the results will be what you are after.
 
LocalHero said:
I want to re-visit this question about the voice dialer if I may...

Today I stopped by a Verizon store thinking I'd check out what other phone options there were.
In the course of the demo from the Verizon rep, he showed me the Incredible and demonstrated that it has a voice dialer that works just as I am looking for. One touch and it talks back to me so I don't have to look at the phone again. He said that that was not available on the Eris because it was a 2.2 thing and Eris couldn't do 2.2.

Now I know from here that there's 2.2's that do work on the Eris (unofficial?) but do they work EXACTLY like the 2.2 on the Incredible? Of course my main focus is for the Voice dialer....does it work as I described above or is it the multi-touch version that is on my 2.1 Eris now?

Part 2 of my question is about data usage. The V re
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Ok, I just tried voice dialer on CELB Froyo 4.3 (this is the first time that I tried it - I'm generally not wild about using voice actions; my old WM phone was excellent for this and I used it a handful of times in two years.) Before I launched it, I turned off mobile data and WiFi. I said "Open calendar"; it prompted me with the action to open the calendar, and did so when I tapped. I then launched it and said, "Call my wife at home" - it prompted me with two choices - my wife's home number and mobile number, so I could tap to choose.

It seems to me that it is not using mobile data to recognize voice is not required for the voice dialer. I am quite sure that it is for voice search, though. I just launched it with data turned off and it said "connection problem". The voice dialer cannot send a text message, for example - with voice search, you can say, "send message to so and so I am running late" and it will do that - but you can say "open messaging" and it will prompt you to see if you want to open the messaging app.

I can't say whether all of the Froyo ROMs have voice dialing - my guess is that they do - but I know that CELB has it, and I have been extremely pleased with CELB in the four months or so that I have used it as my primary ROM. It's a bit trickier to install - in addition to flashing the ROM, you need to download a Google apps package from the CELB download page, and flash it like this:

- copy CELB and the Google apps package to the SD card
- restart in Recovery
- Nandroid backup what you are running now, in case you want to go back
- go to the Wipe menu and Wip data/factory reset and Wipe Dalvik cache
- flash CELB
- flash Google apps
- restart the phone

Also, since you are not on Verizon, I am guessing that you need to do something to get text messaging to work properly with PagePlus. There is an app in the market called APN Backup & Restore, which you can use to backup your settings for what you have now; then, after you flash and set up CELB, you'd reinstall APN Backup & Restore and restore your settings. At least I think that you'd need to do something like that, but perhaps it's best to get detailed advice from another PagePlus user who has a Froyo ROM installed.
 
doogald said:
Ok, I just tried voice dialer on CELB Froyo 4.3 (this is the first time that I tried it - I'm generally not wild about using voice actions; my old WM phone was excellent for this and I used it a handful of times in two years.) Before I launched it, I turned off mobile data and WiFi. I said "Open calendar"; it prompted me with the action to open the calendar, and did so when I tapped. I then launched it and said, "Call my wife at home" - it prompted me with two choices - my wife's home number and mobile number, so I could tap to choose.

It seems to me that it is not using mobile data to recognize voice is not required for the voice dialer. I am quite sure that it is for voice search, though. I just launched it with data turned off and it said "connection problem". The voice dialer cannot send a text message, for example - with voice search, you can say, "send message to so and so I am running late" and it will do that - but you can say "open messaging" and it will prompt you to see if you want to open the messaging app.

I can't say whether all of the Froyo ROMs have voice dialing - my guess is that they do - but I know that CELB has it, and I have been extremely pleased with CELB in the four months or so that I have used it as my primary ROM. It's a bit trickier to install - in addition to flashing the ROM, you need to download a Google apps package from the CELB download page, and flash it like this:

- copy CELB and the Google apps package to the SD card
- restart in Recovery
- Nandroid backup what you are running now, in case you want to go back
- go to the Wipe menu and Wip data/factory reset and Wipe Dalvik cache
- flash CELB
- flash Google apps
- restart the phone

Also, since you are not on Verizon, I am guessing that you need to do something to get text messaging to work properly with PagePlus. There is an app in the market called APN Backup & Restore, which you can use to backup your settings for what you have now; then, after you flash and set up CELB, you'd reinstall APN Backup & Restore and restore your settings. At least I think that you'd need to do something like that, but perhaps it's best to get detailed advice from another PagePlus user who has a Froyo ROM installed.
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Thanks. The thing I probably want most in the Voice dialer that I only saw so far in the rep's Incredible, is the ability to make the call with only one touch of the phone. The rest of the actions happen thru voice. I'm not as worried about data usage since talking with the rep (yes I'm aware that ymmv applies)

I was just looking for info on how to easily root my phone to 2.2. When I read your list above I see a multi-step learning curve:

- copy CELB and the Google apps package to the SD card
I'm a bit lost already..where do I get Celeb and the google apps package. I haven't tried to access the card yet but I guess I can figure out how.

- restart in Recovery
Um, maybe the manual describes this.

- Nandroid backup what you are running now, in case you want to go back
I've heard of Nandroid but not sure what it is yet. Backup app?

- go to the Wipe menu and Wip data/factory reset and Wipe Dalvik cache
Huh?

- flash CELB
Have to read about this...

- flash Google apps
Have to read about this too...

- restart the phone
That I can do!

I'm not posting this to ask you to hold my hand thru each step but just to show you where my level of understanding is. I will ask if you can direct me to easy to follow instructions or maybe even a link to a "one-click-root" trick I've heard about. I was just looking at a utube vid using something called Z4Root. Are one click roots for real? Safe? Do they do the pre-root backup too?

Thanks,
John
 
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