What Do You Think About Sprint's "BIG" Industry First Announcement?

[carmendiva]

No, I never said teens would accept anything you sit in front of them. This is not the 50's where teens are repressed lol and why does someone's intelligence have to go into buying a cellphone.It doesn't take a lot of thought about a phone...Idk where stupidity comes into play here.

yes, commercials will definitely influence alot of people to get something(it always does). Throw someone from Jersey Shore up there and you have a sure fire hit on your hands with Teens

I think what is stupid is buying a phone
A)because you think it makes you look cool
b)A phone with stuff you really will never use nor want

If someone(TEEN OR NOT) buys this phone, it's not because of their intelligence but based on what they see and impulse.
Most people who buy this phone will see "OMG, two screen and it can do 2 things at once"

Not "oh, Sprint held a huge press release, hyping this BS up and now this is all we got. No evo 2, no Samsung Galaxy S2....Just this crap. Gosh, it uses last generation specs. It's so 2009"

Again most of your arguments do not apply to teens nor do they apply to the parents of teens...Unless, the parent is some person who seriously researches and keeps up to date with this.


and back to commercials hyping capabilities and etc. After all, The echo was hyped up to you guys way before specs were released...had alot of you pumped for the "industry first"...Lol imagine what kind of marketing they come up with now

As i stated before, they are merely remarks of an android fan

 

[carmendiva]

Is this a 4G phone?

No its not a 4g device

 

[BlackDynamite]

I'd get the best phone for the best price. The thing is, if I'm paying for it he isn't getting a top of the line phone, and he certainly won't get a phone that is better than mine

Exactly. So then you probably won't be buying this phone for the same price (or even more) than the higher spec'ed 4G phones sitting right next to it.

No, I never said teens would accept anything you sit in front of them. This is not the 50's where teens are repressed lol and why does someone's intelligence have to go into buying a cellphone.It doesn't take a lot of thought about a phone...Idk where stupidity comes into play here.

yes, commercials will definitely influence alot of people to get something(it always does). Throw someone from Jersey Shore up there and you have a sure fire hit on your hands with Teens

I think what is stupid is buying a phone
A)because you think it makes you look cool
b)A phone with stuff you really will never use nor want

If someone(TEEN OR NOT) buys this phone, it's not because of their intelligence but based on what they see and impulse.
Most people who buy this phone will see "OMG, two screen and it can do 2 things at once"

Not "oh, Sprint held a huge press release, hyping this BS up and now this is all we got. No evo 2, no Samsung Galaxy S2....Just this crap. Gosh, it uses last generation specs. It's so 2009"

Again most of your arguments do not apply to teens nor do they apply to the parents of teens...Unless, the parent is some person who seriously researches and keeps up to date with this.


and back to commercials hyping capabilities and etc. After all, The echo was hyped up to you guys way before specs were released...had alot of you pumped for the "industry first"...Lol imagine what kind of marketing they come up with now

As i stated before, they are merely remarks of an android fan

You're contradicting yourself all throughout that post, lol. You say intelligence has nothing to do with it, and then you go on to say they will buy the first phone they see with no regard for said phone's features/capabilities/etc. Well I have to tell you, that is a pretty stupid thing to do. Impulse buying itself is not exactly the smartest thing, but when you have to agree to a 2 year contract it's even worse.

I maintain that teens know about 4G, they know about front facing cameras and video chat, and they care more and more about those features every day.

This phone lacking those features and capabilities is a deal breaker for most teens. And lacking those features while still charging just as much (or more) as the phones that do have them, is a deal breaker for most of the parents that will be footing the bill.

I still find it funny that everyone seems to be saying "I won't get it but a lot of other people will." if you won't get it, what makes you think so many other people will?

Look at it like this- nobody in this thread would get this phone right now, today. Yet you think in 6 months when the market is flooded with WAY better phones people will be dumb enough to buy this one? Maybe a few people here and there, but it certainly won't be a top seller. In fact, I would bet dollars to donuts that I never see anyone on the street with one of these.

 

[carmendiva]

No, i don't think I am contradicting myself. What i am saying is, who measures intelligence based on a cellphone. You use the word "stupid" applied to people who by this phone, so i was asking merely asking what does intelligence or lack of intelligence have to do with this phone?

I never said you were wrong about teens knowing about 4g and video chatting....Yet again, you are speaking for all teens.....That stuff may not be necessarily important to "all teens" which is what you indirectly imply

especially when you say the echo lacks important features is a dealbreaker for most teens...Again, huh?

and again parents tend to buy whatever phone their child wants provided it stays within their price range

 

[BlackDynamite]

No, i don't think I am contradicting myself. What i am saying is, who measures intelligence based on a cellphone. You use the word "stupid" applied to people who by this phone, so i was asking merely asking what does intelligence or lack of intelligence have to do with this phone?

I never said you were wrong about teens knowing about 4g and video chatting....Yet again, you are speaking for all teens.....That stuff may not be necessarily important to "all teens" which is what you indirectly imply

especially when you say the echo lacks important features is a dealbreaker for most teens...Again, huh?

and again parents tend to buy whatever phone their child wants provided it stays within their price range

I am saying only an idiot would agree to a 2 year contract (of the most expensive phone/plan that a carrier sells) on an impulse buy with no research/knowledge of the product whatsoever.

We seem to have a breakdown in communication, so I will try to summarize...

You: Teens will buy this phone because they will buy the first thing that catches their eye, with no regard for features/specs/etc.

Me: no they won't. Teens are well aware of 4G, front cameras, and video chat, because that has been a huge marketing point for the last several months. If it's all over the commercials, they know about it. And having teen kids myself, I know they care about it.

You: Not all of them care about that stuff. This phone will sell even though I, as a teen myself, would not buy it.

Me: Even if a teen was dumb enough to buy this phone, the parents paying the bill would probably not go for it. This phone will be the most expensive phone in Sprint's lineup, and there are better phones that will be sitting right next to it for the same price or even cheaper. Parents will certainly want to be able to video call their kids if it costs the same.

You: What does intelligence have to do with it? Nobody judges how smart a person is based on what phone they have. All I said was that people would walk in to a Sprint store, pick up the most expensive phone they have, agree to a 2 year contract on the most expensive plan they have, and get it instead of the much better phone that was sitting right next to it for the same price. It doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

So, I will say again... I know for a fact teens care about video chatting and 4G. They know about these features (thanks to the ad blitz put on by Sprint, T-Mobile, and Apple over the last several months). They will know even more about these features by the time the Echo launches- thanks to Verizon and AT&T launching several phones with video chat.

I would be kind of surprised if Sprint even tried to market this device toward teens. From the looks of their big event, they are gearing it towards the business pro who wants to work on 2 things at once.

We'll just have to wait and see. I am betting this device will absolutely not be a hit or best seller. If you think it will then we'll see who is right in the end.

Of course, if Sprint lowers the price on this then all bets are off. Of course it could do really well if Sprint gives it away for free with a contract. My point here is there is no way anyone should be choosing this over an Evo or Epic for the same price/plan. And if everyone on this board knows that, most people outside this board probably will too.

 

[MissJennell]

Exactly. Now if you're paying for it, are you going to get one that has 4G and video chat, or pay the same price (or even more) for one that doesn't have any of that?

After all, your own video chat is worthless if you don't have anyone to video chat with.

As a mom idc if I am paying extra or the same I wont be buying my kid any phone with unrestricted access to the internet. Or a front facing camera.

 

[BlackDynamite]

As a mom idc if I am paying extra or the same I wont be buying my kid any phone with unrestricted access to the internet. Or a front facing camera.

So then you won't be buying the Echo for your kid anyway, lol.

 

[carmendiva]

So then you won't be buying the Echo for your kid anyway, lol.

lol im not trying to be right or anything

you know for a fact SOME teens care about 4g...That's the point i was trying to make

your posts still seems as it is speaking for the teen population

 

[BlackDynamite]

lol im not trying to be right or anything

you know for a fact SOME teens care about 4g...That's the point i was trying to make

your posts still seems as it is speaking for the teen population

What I'm saying is, no matter how you look at it...

1: Teens care about 4G and video chat.
2: Parents care about price and value.
3: Even teens that only care about what's advertised and put in front of them will care about 4G and video chat because if it hasn't been advertised enough already, Verizon and AT&T are about to start blitzing us with ads about it.

I am not speaking for literally every teen or parent out there. But I am speaking for the vast majority of them. And if you think i'm wrong, we'll just see in the end. Either Sprint will lower the price on this device or it is not going to be a hit.

So far it seems like everyone is saying "it will be a hit with someone else, but I wouldn't get it."

The adults on this site are all saying if it's a hit anywhere, it will be with the teens. The teens on this site are either saying the device will flat out flop, or in your case "I wouldn't buy it but maybe someone else will."

That right there should tell you, this device has no demographic that is or will be excited for it. The phone junkies like us have already dismissed this device for various reasons. And the noobs who don't know any better will either ask someone like us what we think, or they will see the device sitting right next to it with the big 4G printed on it and the video chat camera on the front, that they have seen in all the commercials for the last several months.

Sprint will be faced with a choice, almost as soon as this device is released: either let this device flop, or lower the price. It can't even compete against the Evo and Epic, let alone the likes of the Atrix, Bionic, Galaxy S2, and all the other next gen devices hitting the market in the next few months.

 

[carmendiva]

okay, i'm bored now

lol so let's just say you win

But still teens on here don't equal the vast majority of teens

 

[BlackDynamite]

okay, i'm bored now

lol so let's just say you win

But still teens on here don't equal the vast majority of teens

I know the teens on here don't equal the vast majority of teens, lol.

I'm just saying I understand teens pretty well and I can't see this being a hit with teens. And out of all the teens that have commented about it- both on this board and my own kids, their friends, my nieces and nephews, etc, I have still not heard one single person say they are getting this phone or are excited for it.

So I understand there is a margin of error. But I still don't see any reason to think this phone will be a hit.

Now if Sprint changes something about it (lowers the price, throws something in with the phone, has some extra features when it launches, whatever) then that obviously changes things. But as it stands right now, I just can't see anyone getting excited for this phone (and I don't mean literally not one single person, I just mean the vast majority of people).

 

[IOWA]

As the father of 2 teenagers, I can honestly say this is bull.

Yes, they want cool things. But cool things are the best things these days.

My kids' friends all have iPhones, Evos, Blackberry, MyTouch, and Droid X. Long gone are the days when teenagers are happy with a dumbphone.

When the iPhone 4 came out, every teenager was talking about its front camera and video chat. When the Evo came out, teenagers were talking about its front camera and video chat without needing WiFi. Same thing with the MyTouch 4G.

When this Kyocera comes out, nobody will be talking about it.

The 2 screens might get it some attention initially. But when they see it doesn't have 4G and doesn't have a front camera (and yes, teenagers know and care about these things) it will be a turn off. And when they find out it takes special apps to run correctly, it will be another turn off. And when they find out the CPU isn't any better than the Evo, Epic, or Shift, and significantly worse than the next gen hardware on other carriers, it will be even worse.

And teenagers absolutely care about the "my phone is better than your phone because..."

With all the cooky crap teens do, do we really want our kids having front facing cams

 

[BlackDynamite]

With all the cooky crap teens do, do we really want our kids having front facing cams

lol, that is a good point. In all seriousness though, aside from the obvious benefits of seeing people when you talk to them, it comes in really handy when your teen tells you they are at the library studying (or whatever) and you say "show me."

 

[IOWA]

lol, that is a good point. In all seriousness though, aside from the obvious benefits of seeing people when you talk to them, it comes in really handy when your teen tells you they are at the library studying (or whatever) and you say "show me."

Ah, read my signature. The Orwellian state has begun!

 

[BlackDynamite]

Ah, read my signature. The Orwellian state has begun!

As I understand it, 1984 was more what Orwell actually thought things would be like and the book was a warning in the hopes to avoid it. So in that sense, it was indeed a prophecy, and was intended to be a prophecy all along.

Interesting though. Back in the day it seemed so far fetched. Now everyone can clearly see we are headed there, if we aren't already there.

 

[Rigmaster]

Perhaps Orwell should have included an illustration of the Echo in 1984 and saved everyone the trouble of waiting on this flat announcement.

I'm still not convinced dual-screens make sense, and when the new set of 5-10" tabs and tab-phones come out, I think it will be 100% clear that this was clearly a dead end.

As to what teens want, seems a bit ironic to me that Kyocera of all companies would think they have a good feel on untapped markets in the phone segment. With Sony and other companies who really have a reason to consider dual-screen for gaming and other multimedia purposes, I just can't see why Kyocera did this.

I do think dual screen would make sense in one scenario. If the top screen could run movies, vids, or one media source, while the lower screen could handle all the normal smartphone functions. But this phone is nowhere near powerful enough to handle that.

 

[dbpaddler]

my bad. was too drawn into those long lean lines...

The Galaxy S 2 is 4.3", not 3.6".

I agree that all those devices will be midrange by summer too. Especially when compared to what the other carriers have. But that doesn't mean Sprint sees them that way. If they are charging top dollar for them, then they have to be considered high end devices.

 

[carmendiva]

lol i showed it to my little cousin...

"Is that a DS phone?"

Lol i wonder how many people outside of AF will actually think it's a DS phone. I saw his DS and i had no clue that both looked so similar till now

 

[IOWA]

lol i showed it to my little cousin...

"Is that a DS phone?"

Lol i wonder how many people outside of AF will actually think it's a DS phone. I saw his DS and i had no clue that both looked so similar till now

THat's the first thing it reminded me of.

 

[drexappeal]

lol i showed it to my little cousin...

"Is that a DS phone?"

Lol i wonder how many people outside of AF will actually think it's a DS phone. I saw his DS and i had no clue that both looked so similar till now

THat's the first thing it reminded me of.

LOL...one of my best friends made the same exact comment (and just to be clear, I'm not a teenager...LOL).

 

[carmendiva]

Well i guess for my point, he did say it looked cool. Then again he is 13 and still finds Pokemon and Dragon Ball Z interesting lol

his mom already told him that she'd likely get it for him for his birthday in April. So i guess he will be one of the 10 who'll buy it(according to Blackdynamite lol)

 

[BlackDynamite]

Well i guess for my point, he did say it looked cool. Then again he is 13 and still finds Pokemon and Dragon Ball Z interesting lol

his mom already told him that she'd likely get it for him for his birthday in April. So i guess he will be one of the 10 who'll buy it(according to Blackdynamite lol)

Til they get to the Sprint store and find out it doesn't play DS games and they see the Evo sitting right next to it for the same price...

 

[Rigmaster]

I still don't believe the phone will even get released. If they're doing any sort of market intel right now, they're finding out that it will cost more to set up production than they'll ever get in return.

 

[tqlla]

lol i showed it to my little cousin...

"Is that a DS phone?"

Lol i wonder how many people outside of AF will actually think it's a DS phone. I saw his DS and i had no clue that both looked so similar till now

Sony(erricson) has a Playstation phone coming out. So I think, a few people may get confused.

Does that 10 person estimate include returns?

 

[RazzMaTazz]

When 3G phones were $10/month cheaper than 4G phones, it made sense to buy 3G phones. Now that 3G phones incur the same monthly fee as 4G phones, I would expect most (potential) customers to spend a little extra and get a (more powerful) 4G phone. And if I were Sprint, I don't think I'd spend any resources releasing new 3G phones.