Who is buying the OnePlus One?

[mikedt]

This is my conundrum - buy the OPO 64GB for $350 (USD) or the Oppo Find 7/7a for $150-$250USD more. The specs on the OPO look incredible and design wise, it's slightly more narrow than my current GN2. I don't know enough about ColorOS but it seems to be a love-hate relationship depending on who you ask.

The crazy thing is that the Oppo will STILL be cheaper than the LG G3, which is my only other option. Had thought about the HTC One M8, Samsung GS5, and Sony Xperia Z2 but in every case, I couldn't bring myself to sacrifice the awesome screen real estate I've gotten used to on my GN2.

I'm probably going to wait until some real world reviews before pulling the trigger on either one.

If you're considering a Find 7 with ColorOS, that means you'll be buying it directly from China won't you? Something to be aware of, these don't have Google apps and services on them. Although it's fairly easy to get them installed and the phone rooted. BTW the OnePlus Ones in China also come with Oppo's ColorOS rather than CM by default. But CM can be installed if desired.

 

[SAL8116]

For the love of God, TAKE MY MONEY!!!

June is so far away.

 

[mikedt]

Congrats! Can't wait to hear/see more about it!

Yesterday I took the plunge and loaded CM11 onto the Find 7a, as I wasn't so happy with ColorOS in the end. The CM it's running is basically the same as the OnePlus, with some changes made. At the moment has the OnePlus boot logo on an Oppo phone, because that's where the ROM came from.
Full details here on XDA.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2751921

 

[CafeKampuchia]

Yesterday I took the plunge and loaded CM11 onto the Find 7a, as I wasn't so happy with ColorOS in the end. The CM it's running is basically the same as the OnePlus, with some changes made. At the moment has the OnePlus boot logo on an Oppo phone, because that's where the ROM came from.
Full details here on XDA.
[ROM] OnePlus One / CyanogenMod 11S - xda-developers

I saw that and wondered how long it would take you to flash it

 

[mikedt]

I saw that and wondered how long it would take you to flash it

I didn't take long.. As soon as I saw something that was possibly usable. I've made another post in our Find 7a ATR forum about it.
http://androidforums.com/find-7a-al...nogenmod-now-running-find-7a.html#post6570565

Kind of relavent here as well, because that's where the ROM originally came from, and the Oppo now basically is a "OnePlus One", that's what the boot animation shows and apps see it as. Sure there's no danger of bricking and can always go back to ColorOS, because rooting and custom recoverys are proven and work on the Find 7a.

 

[CrazyTechnoBoy]

Totally buying one. I'm buying a 64GB one while my dad's buying a 16GB one.

 

[ne0lyfeism]

If you're considering a Find 7 with ColorOS, that means you'll be buying it directly from China won't you? Something to be aware of, these don't have Google apps and services on them. Although it's fairly easy to get them installed and the phone rooted. BTW the OnePlus Ones in China also come with Oppo's ColorOS rather than CM by default. But CM can be installed if desired.

Yeah, I was aware of that and figured it'd be easy enough to get Google apps on them. But after seeing the Android Authority review on the OPO, I've narrowed my choice down to either the OPO or the upcoming LG G3, depending on how the unveiling on 5/27 goes.

 

[KOLIO]

I had put this on the back burner, since I picked up the M8 on opening day.
I keep two phones (G FLEX) & was considering trading-in (JUMP) for the LG G3,however, specs for the G3 & 1+1 are comparable, less the pricing.

I took another look at the 1+1 & entered the drawing for an invite. I remembered how much I enjoyed CM7 on my 1st ANDROID (HUAWEI ASCEND) & look forward to having it again, w/o having to root/flash/etc.....

 

[CafeKampuchia]

I'm in a similar situation having just bought a Nexus 5 which is presently running CM11.

 

[Zdravke]

That phone sounds too good to be true. I mean, this is not only nexus killer, but also Chinese market sweeper. The fact that is not even out yet makes me wonder if they got their business plan right at all. I wish it got wireless charging I got used to on my nexus 4

 

[breadnatty08]

Welcome to the forums, Zdravke! :hello:
I agree, wireless charging is great with my LG G2. However, if there's a way to get the back off, perhaps there's a hack/mod you could do with it. I was never successful doing it with my S3 (never found copper tape), but I know folks have done it.

 

[zipred]

After much initial research, ongoing research to date, and a positive "all in" attitude about buying, using, and advocating for OnePlus, I'm having serious thoughts about changing my mind. A couple thousand posts in their forum, closely watching Twitter and Google+ entries, I simply have a bad feeling about trusting them.

Save the many lengthy concerns, the bottom line is I've always been one to trust who I do business with unless something of great significance occurs to cause me to scrutinize them. I've purposely and happily invested the time I have, in order to get a feel so to speak about this company.

All in an effort to make this evaluation sooner rather than later. As compelling as I find the phone, I'm simply very uneasy with the company based on it's propensity to over promise, pat themselves on the back, yet leave potential customers waiting and wondering with uncertainty.

I'm not complaining or growing impatient with the approx delivery timeline, but whether or not the company will stand behind some the lofty claims they've made. Many had been devoid of specific information within the context of the big picture areas like warranty coverage and other important yet avoided specifics.

At this juncture I'm going to roll back the amount of involvement in the OPO community, take a wait and see approach, then act accordingly. One thing seems certain, price alone has been the factor in expanding interest. Like hungry bees, buyers are swarming this product as if it's the holy grail.

They remind me of rabid Apple buyers that salivate at the slightest rumors that float about the blogosphere in ever so random fashion.

 

[THE W]

manufacturer warranty for oneplus will be the same as any other.
What is your warranty & return policy? – OnePlus

if something goes wrong you'll need to contact them and mail the device in for repairs which will probably take a week or two. shipping and handling is covered.

tyipcal of any manufacturer warranty.

 

[badutahboy]

After much initial research, ongoing research to date, and a positive "all in" attitude about buying, using, and advocating for OnePlus, I'm having serious thoughts about changing my mind. A couple thousand posts in their forum, closely watching Twitter and Google+ entries, I simply have a bad feeling about trusting them.

Save the many lengthy concerns, the bottom line is I've always been one to trust who I do business with unless something of great significance occurs to cause me to scrutinize them. I've purposely and happily invested the time I have, in order to get a feel so to speak about this company.

All in an effort to make this evaluation sooner rather than later. As compelling as I find the phone, I'm simply very uneasy with the company based on it's propensity to over promise, pat themselves on the back, yet leave potential customers waiting and wondering with uncertainty.

I'm not complaining or growing impatient with the approx delivery timeline, but whether or not the company will stand behind some the lofty claims they've made. Many had been devoid of specific information within the context of the big picture areas like warranty coverage and other important yet avoided specifics.

At this juncture I'm going to roll back the amount of involvement in the OPO community, take a wait and see approach, then act accordingly. One thing seems certain, price alone has been the factor in expanding interest. Like hungry bees, buyers are swarming this product as if it's the holy grail.

They remind me of rabid Apple buyers that salivate at the slightest rumors that float about the blogosphere in ever so random fashion.

I'd love some specifics on what has you scared off.

What has One+ done differently with this launch than, say, Samsung?

 

[Zdravke]

Let's get real - this phone will not hit the market at this time and with this price. They will either wait until qualcomm drops the price when chipset gets outdated or they will sell it at higher price now. Just look around you. No one can make money with this price and specs today.

 

[Rxpert83]

I'd love some specifics on what has you scared off.

What has One+ done differently with this launch than, say, Samsung?

To name a few that I feel uneasy/discomforted about

-Hiding that they are an oppo company, while playing up the David vs goliath vibe
-The lottery system rollouts
-The never ending stream of teases before the product was announced
- Developer support outside of Cyanogenmod. I prefer to run something other than CM if I can, so if other ROM teams don't provide support it loses some of its appeal
-Cyanogenmod updates are slower than manufacturers like Samsung or HTC. We don't know if that will change or not here. They don't do "stable" releases anymore, so there is the possibility you are effectively always running a beta software

One of my main concerns:
- The smash your phone program is highly dangerous

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fkP-b1ADvbk

A phone manufacturer should have the insight to know that smashing a device containing an energy dense battery with something like a hammer is going to end very poorly.

Like I mentioned before, I'll be sitting this round out and observing how those devices fare down the road. I'm interested in seeing where they go, but I won't be willing to make a bet with my money on their first product.

Just questions I'd like answered before spending money

 

[CafeKampuchia]

I agree with every point in your post to some degree except this:

-Cyanogenmod updates are slower than manufacturers like Samsung or HTC. We don't know if that will change or not here. They don't do "stable" releases anymore, so there is the possibility you are effectively always running a beta software

CM11 4.4.3 hit nightlies just a couple days after the first Nexus devices started getting it and before any manufacturers did. Two Nexus devices in my house still haven't updated, but my Nexus 5 on CM11 has been on 4.4.3 since last week.

The "M" releases are stable, and M8 (next month) will be 4.4.3. I doubt any manufactures besides Motorola will best that.

All that having been said, I think CyanogenMod is a positive aspect of the 1+1.

 

[badutahboy]

To name a few that I feel uneasy/discomforted about

-Hiding that they are an oppo company, while playing up the David vs goliath vibe

Valid point.

-The lottery system rollouts

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They're far from the first to offer promotional phones via contests, etc. And they're also far from the first to require an invite to spread their system. In fact, that's probably how most of us signed up for Gmail.

The never ending stream of teases before the product was announced

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How's this any different from any other manufacturer? For example, the One M8.. Every spec and feature was known before the official announcement, because HTC was about as secretive as an 80 year old woman with it.

Developer support outside of Cyanogenmod. I prefer to run something other than CM if I can, so if other ROM teams don't provide support it loses some of its appeal

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This seems like an absurd notion. Given how many roms are based off of CM, why WOULDN'T they develop for this phone? And why would you make that a consideration before the phone is even widely available? Using that logic, you might as well scrap the G3 too.

Cyanogenmod updates are slower than manufacturers like Samsung or HTC. We don't know if that will change or not here. They don't do "stable" releases anymore, so there is the possibility you are effectively always running a beta software

They are? How many phones currently have Kit Kat from the manufacturer compared to those that can install it via CM? And as for "stable" releases, they still exist, they're just called snapshots now instead of stable releases.

One of my main concerns:
- The smash your phone program is highly dangerous

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fkP-b1ADvbk


A phone manufacturer should have the insight to know that smashing a device containing an energy dense battery with something like a hammer is going to end very poorly.

Valid point.

Like I mentioned before, I'll be sitting this round out and observing how those devices fare down the road. I'm interested in seeing where they go, but I won't be willing to make a bet with my money on their first product.

Just questions I'd like answered before spending money

To each their own. Just make sure you're basing your opinions on valid reasoning, rather than judging one company for actions that most take.

 

[mikedt]

Valid point.

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They're far from the first to offer promotional phones via contests, etc. And they're also far from the first to require an invite to spread their system. In fact, that's probably how most of us signed up for Gmail.

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How's this any different from any other manufacturer? For example, the One M8.. Every spec and feature was known before the official announcement, because HTC was about as secretive as an 80 year old woman with it.

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This seems like an absurd notion. Given how many roms are based off of CM, why WOULDN'T they develop for this phone? And why would you make that a consideration before the phone is even widely available? Using that logic, you might as well scrap the G3 too.



They are? How many phones currently have Kit Kat from the manufacturer compared to those that can install it via CM? And as for "stable" releases, they still exist, they're just called snapshots now instead of stable releases.



Valid point.



To each their own. Just make sure you're basing your opinions on valid reasoning, rather than judging one company for actions that most take.

"actions that most take"? Who exactly? I know with Oppo I certainly have to beg for or join invite lotteries and pyramids, or nearly kill myself on YouTube smashing an existing phone to get a Find 7a? Same with Huawei, Xiaomi, Meizu, Samsung, Apple, Nokia, etc. They state a new product is going to be generally available on a certain date after the official launch, and they usually are.

It was their shenanigans that me interested in getting an Oppo or a OneOlus. But I couldn't be bothered with going through with the ponzi scheme invite and phone smashing rituals. I wanted a new phone now.

 

[Rxpert83]

They're far from the first to offer promotional phones via contests, etc. And they're also far from the first to require an invite to spread their system. In fact, that's probably how most of us signed up for Gmail.

I didn't say they were the first to do it. It just doesn't sit well with me given the demand for the product. Many who want it will not get it. How many? We don't know yet... A question I'd want answered before getting excited to have it.

I know nexus devices sell out within 15-30 minutes. I'm aware of that going into it and can take steps to alert myself the minute the salepage goes live- as a result, I purchased my nexus 5 within 1.5 minutes of them gong on sale. I don't know how long it will take for me to get picked in the raffle. We won't know how it works out until supply catches up to demand.

This seems like an absurd notion. Given how many roms are based off of CM, why WOULDN'T they develop for this phone? And why would you make that a consideration before the phone is even widely available? Using that logic, you might as well scrap the G3 too.

Most ROMS are not based off of cyanogenmod. If you've owned a nexus device recently, you've seen that cyanogenmod isn't compatible with AOSP anymore. Its so far off the reservation you now have 2 kernel types on nexus devices: 1 for nearly every other ROM and another for cyanogenmod.

Other ROMS may cherry pick from them (& vice versa), but the other major ROM development teams such as Slim, Carbon, Liquid Smooth, ParanoidAndroid, OMNIROM, ect are not based off of them if they can help it.

They are? How many phones currently have Kit Kat from the manufacturer compared to those that can install it via CM? And as for "stable" releases, they still exist, they're just called snapshots now instead of stable releases.

Historically, cyanogenmod has taken 5-6 months to get a "stable" release out. Generally speaking, that is longer than Samsung or HTC's schedule to update their flagship devices. I'm not talking about legacy devices. I'm comparing it with flagships, as that is what the 1+1 is supposed to be competing with.

Since this is a mass consumer product, they won't push nightlies as the main update. So you would be waiting for the next "stable" release.

They now consider "M" builds "stable", but that simply isnt the same thing. Its just a monthly snapshot. The "stable-ist" they have at that moment. Theres a difference there, and it may be significant. It may not, my point is we don't know.

M6 had this bug that obliterated peoples data caps:
CyanogenMod 11 M6 Bug Caused Devices To Download Stock 4.4.3 Update Repeatedly And Obliterate Data Caps, Fixed In Newly Released M7 Build

^^Wouldn't happen on their phone, but the point is issues crop up

To each their own. Just make sure you're basing your opinions on valid reasoning, rather than judging one company for actions that most take.

Like I said in the post, they are questions I need answered before purchasing a device. I posted them for others to make sure they consider if they find it important. Surely they won't be for everyone.

 

[badutahboy]

"actions that most take"? Who exactly? I know with Oppo you certainly don't have to beg for or join invite lotteries?

Gmail started via an invite only system. In fact, it was that way for about 3 years.

 

[badutahboy]

I didn't say they were the first to do it. It just doesn't sit well with me given the demand for the product. Many who want it will not get it. How many? We don't know yet... A question I'd want answered before getting excited to have it.

I know nexus devices sell out within 15-30 minutes. I'm aware of that going into it and can take steps to alert myself the minute the salepage goes live- as a result, I purchased my nexus 5 within 1.5 minutes of them gong on sale. I don't know how long it will take for me to get picked in the raffle. We won't know how it works out until supply catches up to demand.

So you're saying that they shouldn't be having promotions if they can't fill demand? Why is it okay for Samsung or HTC to have pre-release promotions knowing their phones will sell out on launch day, but not One+?

Most ROMS are not based off of cyanogenmod. If you've owned a nexus device recently, you know that cyanogenmod isn't compatible with AOSP anymore. Its so far off the reservation you now have 2 kernel types on nexus devices: 1 for nearly every other ROM and another for cyanogenmod.

Other ROMS may cherry pick from them (& vice versa), but the other major ROM development teams such as Slim, Carbon, Liquid Smooth, ParanoidAndroid, OMNIROM, ect are not based off of them if they can help it.

I didn't say most were, but many are, and many of the ones that aren't have gone away from CM for political reasons, not quality reasons.

Historically, cyanogenmod has taken 5-6 months to get a "stable" release out. That is longer than Samsung or HTC's schedule to update their flagship devices. I'm not talking about legacy devices. I'm comparing it with flagships, as that is what the 1+1 is supposed to be competing with.



Since this is a computer product, they won't push nightlies as the main update. So you would be waiting for the next "stable" release.

Just anecdotally, CM11 had an M release for the note 3 before Samsung had theirs ready in January. That not only beats the manufacturer, but it was also less than a 2 month turnaround, and at that point, the Note 3 was absolutely the #1 hottest current android phone.

They now consider "M" builds "stable", but that simply isnt the same thing. Its just a monthly snapshot. The "stable-ist" they have at that moment. Theres a difference there, and it may be significant. It may not, my point is we don't know.

M6 had this bug that obliterated peoples data caps:
CyanogenMod 11 M6 Bug Caused Devices To Download Stock 4.4.3 Update Repeatedly And Obliterate Data Caps, Fixed In Newly Released M7 Build

And the Nexus devices just barely got a bug fix update after 4+ months of waiting for battery destroying camera issues. Bugs exist in all ROMS, even AOSP.

Like I said in the post, they are questions I need answered before purchasing a device. I posted them for others to make sure they consider if they find it important. Surely they won't be for everyone.

I agree, and I agreed with some of your points, but many of them are simply off base and display a bias. I just find it kind of amazing how quick many people are to sling mud at One+ for doing things that all of their competition have done, just because they're new to the scene.

 

[mikedt]

Gmail started via an invite only system. In fact, it was that way for about 3 years.

Was it closed beta? That sometimes happen with online services, keeps the numbers down, get the product right before the general launch. I was using Yahoo email at the time, and only switched to Gmail about 5 years ago.

OnePlus is a cellphone, it's a physical product and I want to buy it now. And if I can't buy company A's cellphone readily and easily, I'll just go and buy company B's cellphone, i.e. OnePlus or Oppo.

 

[Rxpert83]

Just anecdotally, CM11 had an M release for the note 3 before Samsung had theirs ready in January. That not only beats the manufacturer, but it was also less than a 2 month turnaround, and at that point, the Note 3 was absolutely the #1 hottest current android phone.

My point was no matter what CM calls them, M builds aren't the same as stable. They're simply monthly snapshots, as demonstrated by the fact that stables historically take them 5-6 months and m builds come every month.

You could probably consider this build (m7), and the last build (m6) " stable" for most devices.

 

[BigCiX]

If there is no Nexus 6 then this might be my next phone.