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Why I think Android will crash and burn AKA History repeats itself

I dont agree that the hardware has to catch up. The hardware and OS are there. Imo its the software that has to catch up (apps)
 
My point was more about price. The flagship models have the best cameras, best audio chips, biggest storage. In terms of "catching up" then I'm really talking trickle down effect to the mid range & so on. I think with phones it takes longer to trickle down due to the contracts where they can now get away with charging some of the price even before they start paying monthly installments, like with new iPhones.

The biggest sellers on PAYG or sim-free are the lower to mid range & they get 'adequate' hardware. In a few years the trickle down effect will have reached them but the flagship models will have advanced further too. If they stuck their necks out a bit & offered better hardware (cameras, storage, DAC...) on the mid-range at mid-range prices they would shift loads. But they're happy enslaving people in contracts with flagship models especially when they can charge them for what would previously been a free handset.
 
Yeah true mate. I hope more people start buying phones off contract. Phones like the nexus 5 or moto g.
I buy my phones outright
 
While planning for the future as much as one can in order to be relevant and prepared, I'm still very much a live in the present person.

Currently I'm am absolutely thrilled with my nearly flawless Nexus 5. After months of very heavy usage it's truly met 98% of my expectations. The first smartphone that's as much fun to use today as it was on day one.

Admittedly an early adopter, from my G1 of years ago until now Android has provided a great learning experience. This Nexus 5 of mine is a milestone of sorts because it is so good. That said, I plan on using it longer than any previous model.

About the only upcoming phone that grabs my attention is the OnePlus One.

Another phone for another day at some point in the future. :D
 
Yeah the nexus 5 is definitely a milestone imo. A fairly priced superphone. Its completely "over" spec'd and future proof (although i have a feeling the next nexus is gona have a lot of new sensors and instantly make everything else obsolete lol) ;)
 
I havent read through the whole thread but after reading mikes post, i entirely agree. (Because mikes a pretty smart guy :p )

But i agree. Even if people only left windows phone because of this reason, times have changed and smartphones are much more central to our lives now. Now android is everywhere, already cemented as the software for the smartphone era. Just as windows was for the desktop.

Its actually noble of appl to keep a decent market share in a new market era. Theyve done better than microsoft has ;)
 
Google is doing everything they criticized Samsung of doing. Whip out your Nexus device brand new, it comes with all the Google stuff. Hangouts, Music, Newsstand, Google+, etc. Can't be uninstalled without root. How is that not basically the same as bloatware? That and to this day Play Store still refuses to work correctly. I got rid of it and thr rest of Gapps long ago. Surprisingly I've never had a reboot, crash, lag, or horrible battery since.

It won't be another operating system that upsurps Android, it will be Google policies leaving bad tastes in the user's mouths. Rooters, rom flashers, etc are a minority among the user base. Google is too big for their own good. They encourage and demand the removal of two key advantages over Apple, removable storage and replaceable batteries. They cause development of AOSP alternatives to Google apps to cease. They criticize Samsung and Amazon for offering competition to Google Play. They seem to be moving away from the Android name itself. Their ads lately refer to the entire ecosystem as Google Play.
 
nickdalzell said:
Google is doing everything they criticized Samsung of doing. Whip out your Nexus device brand new, it comes with all the Google stuff. Hangouts, Music, Newsstand, Google+, etc. Can't be uninstalled without root. How is that not basically the same as bloatware? That and to this day Play Store still refuses to work correctly. I got rid of it and thr rest of Gapps long ago. Surprisingly I've never had a reboot, crash, lag, or horrible battery since.

It won't be another operating system that upsurps Android, it will be Google policies leaving bad tastes in the user's mouths. Rooters, rom flashers, etc are a minority among the user base. Google is too big for their own good. They encourage and demand the removal of two key advantages over Apple, removable storage and replaceable batteries. They cause development of AOSP alternatives to Google apps to cease. They criticize Samsung and Amazon for offering competition to Google Play. They seem to be moving away from the Android name itself. Their ads lately refer to the entire ecosystem as Google Play.
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I can see them wanting to do that. Google Play
 
How is the Google Experience, Google Play not yet another skin? Or is it only a skin when Samsung or HTC does it?
 
nickdalzell said:
How is the Google Experience, Google Play not yet another skin? Or is it only a skin when Samsung or HTC does it?
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The Google Nexus devices, yes I do think of it as a "skin", or a suite of Google's services running on top of Android, now apparently under the brand name of Google Play. That's likely how they want to market it now. Buy a Samsung phone, that's Samsung's experience device, it's got all their stuff on it. Buy a Samsung where I am, you're getting all the Samsung stuff, nothing Google.

Myself, I wouldn't buy a Nexus, it wouldn't suit my requirements.
 
Seems to me that THE draw to Android (originally) was the fact it could be customized to the user's desire. iPhone, Windows phones, and Blackberry couldn't. Neither, really, could Palm

That's where I see the problem for Android: between Google, manufacturers, and carriers all locking stuff down, that "make it what you want" is starting to go away
 
Most of this is under the assumption that in 10 years for now we will still have smart phones around as we understand them now. As far as the OS goes who knows.

As far as Google goes I really don't mind their "Bloatware" as I use 98% of it. What I really hate is the carriers bloat as it is never anything useful to me.
 
I honestly prefer Samsung and Amazon's offerings and long since removed Play Store and the rest off. Ironically ive never had trouble since. I got tired of Google forgetting my purchases, refusing to download, Google Now always getting my location wrong, and my device not being compatible with some app that ran fine when sideloaded.

Seriously, my Nexus 10 isn't compatible with NBA Jam, yet my Galaxy Tab 2 can run it just fine. Wtf Play Store?
 
nickdalzell said:
Google is doing everything they criticized Samsung of doing. Whip out your Nexus device brand new, it comes with all the Google stuff. Hangouts, Music, Newsstand, Google+, etc. Can't be uninstalled without root. How is that not basically the same as bloatware?
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I'll help you understand what bloatware is. The definition of bloatware is apps and services pre-installed on any phone by the carrier that sells the device.

IE: AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, or Sprint apps are bloatware. It's those companies desire to generate extra revenue via their own apps.

Nexus devices are free of bloatware. Just like iPhone's, they come equipped with proprietary apps which in this example are exclusive to Google.

If you don't like Google Apps and Services, then simply avoid buying a Nexus.

nickdalzell said:
That and to this day Play Store still refuses to work correctly.
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You must have some sort of corruption, virus or malware that's interfering with the Google Play Store. I have been enjoying excellent performance from the Play Store since it was first released, some time ago.

I've used it with a Galaxy S3 & S4. A few HTC models, Nexus 5 & 7 models as well. It's been every bit as good as iTunes and the iPhone App Store I've used since day one for my iPhone's. All without a single problem.

At the end of the day I choose what's best for my requirements, of all the smartphones I've owned the Nexus 5 is my all time favorite.

YMMV.
 
zipred said:
If you don't like Google Apps and Services, then simply buy a phone from China.
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FTFY. ;)

Thing is just about all Android phones sold in the US, UK, etc. come with Google apps, whether you want them or not, and that's in addition to whatever Samsung, HTC, Verizon, Vodafone, etc. adds on.

zipred said:
You must have some sort of corruption, virus or malware that's interfering with the Google Play Store. I have been enjoying excellent performance from the Play Store since it was first released, some time ago.
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I've had trouble with the Play Store on and off. September last year seemed to be some major problems with it, which was discussed at length on here. Recently seems to have settled down though.
 
This whole conversation is why I love this forum. I basically said Google's Android division in F'ing up and I didn't get called on it. Just about anywhere else I'd probably have been treated like a heretic and ostracized or at the very least have had to try very hard to ignore the opprobrium of the masses. Android Forums is still the friendliest forum around. :)
 
dontpanicbobby said:
This whole conversation is why I love this forum. I basically said Google's Android division in F'ing up and I didn't get called on it. Just about anywhere else I'd probably have been treated like a heretic and ostracized or at the very least have had to try very hard to ignore the opprobrium of the masses. Android Forums is still the friendliest forum around. :)
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:)

I agree, but also we are not Google fan boys. We like Android. It doesn't mean we have to express any loyalty to its creators. We would like it regardless of who created it (unless it was maybe Apple ;)).
 
davoid said:
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I agree, but also we are not Google fan boys. We like Android. It doesn't mean we have to express any loyalty to its creators. We would like it regardless of who created it (unless it was maybe Apple ;)).
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I don't mind some Google stuff being pre-installed, the things I actually use. Namely Play Store, Gmail, Maps and Youtube. Don't need or use Drive, Books, Music, Games or Newsstand. And that's the way Androids in Hong Kong come, they just have the basic Google stuff, and not Google Music, etc. I'll probably buy my next phone in HK for that reason.
 
You can disable most of the unwanted Google apps, which on a stock phone has the same effect as uninstalling.

The one that bothers me most is the integration of messages with Hangouts, as I've no interest in Hangouts (don't even have a G+ profile) and do use messages (they can mess up stuff like Google music/movies/books all they like because I don't use those ;)) . But as long as there are 3rd party solutions it's not a show-stopper for me.

There are limits to the Google integration for me, but so far any retrograde change (by my personal definition) just means I use the Google stuff less.
 
Play Store was unreliable for my use. Google Now sent me cards for time to home after I had been home, etc. Sync ate my battery. Device rebooted often. Ive removed everything Google, use Amazon Apps, Samsung apps, and Touchwiz fits me so well. Never been happier. I'm still rooted though

Between errors like Could not download due to an error, package file invalid, redundant Play Store install complete icons clogging up my notification area, I think the last straw was it telling me that GTA V Manual wasn't compatible with my device. I hate their annoying, always wrong filter! They really have no right to criticize Amazon and Samsung for offering their own alternatives to Google Play when the alternatives work fine, and Play Store has issues ever since day one which Google never fixes and often makes worse. At least Amazon saves the apk file. Play Store doesn't even do that!
 
No offense Nick, but it sounds like your iPads are jealous and are focusing their Reality Distortion Fields on you in an attempt to suppress Google Services. :p
 
>Just about anywhere else I'd probably have been treated like a heretic<

Ummmm... maybe we shouldn't tell him about the stake we have set up for him come Midsummer?
 
Play Store installs to /data/app which is inacessible with out root. Amazon and Samsung app stores not only install, they save the apk file into downloads, which does not require root. If Play Store thinks an app isn't compatible, it wont even allow the apk download and must skip thr install. It just blocks it completely.
 
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