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Will moto droid x update to 2.3 gingerbread?

Depth Afield said:
Here is how I look at it:

Andoid phones should be treated just like a personal computer, be it an apple or windows PC. The user should be able to purchase new system software for their device, just as they do for their PC.

Phone manufacturers would make a boatload of cash if they simply allowed downloads of the system software for say, $5?
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unless its like a pc then the update will be mandatory, free, and ruin your computing experience. MICROSOFT FOR LIFE!!!
 
ultra droid said:
I honestly don't see Motorola bringing Gingerbread to the DX. Motorola has proven time and time again that they don't give a rat's patootie about WHAT their customers - the people who bought their phones - think or care about. Motorola more than any other phone manufacturer seems *offended* that we (the buyers) would have the unmitigated GALL to question their decisions about what belongs on a phone like the DX. Who thehell do WE think we are, anyway. Note their obsession with super locked down bootloaders and the fact that every OTA update they finally get around to sending out has the cute little feature of un-rooting the phones that are already rooted. No accident, I assure you.

I flat out *refuse* to have anything further to do with that company. My money will never be spent on their products, and I will refuse all of their tainted OTA updates. I already have fully functional Gingerbread roms on my Droid 1, and HTC Incredible, courtesy of some quality developers and their skills, so what do I need from either Motorola or HTC. I must admit though, HTC has not been as relentless as Motorola about trying to stamp out rooted phones, so my next purchase will be an HTC Thunderbolt - a quality phone from a company who doesn't screw with their customers like Motorola does.

My two cents worth...

-Mike
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Ha! Well said!
 
ECFfighter7232 said:
Problem with that video... shows the x with a white notification bar. But the pics from p3droid show the black notification bar
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You're thinking its a scam? Could be.
faber78 said:
Is there anything we really even want in the update?
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Yea I don't think the x has rff sensor or anything gb can use. The only thing the x is missing is a sim slot imo so I can use it anywhere. We'll a ff camera would be nice.
 
GSX said:
My DX is rooted with z4root (I'm tech challenged and the one click version is easy). Will the GB update do anything to z4, or my phone?
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If I were you, I'd avoid any Motorola OTA update. First off, the "new" features they offer are usually stale and outdated, by the time the update arrives. Witness the two Gingerbread roms I have, one on my Droid 1 and one on my Dinc. I've had both roms for 6 weeks or more, and they run flawlessly. What would an OTA update bring to the table that I don't already have? Additionally, as another poster pointed out, a successful OTA update WILL unroot your phone, and make it difficult (but not necessarily impossible) to re-root it. That's a lot of hassle to go through for information and tweaks that (in the case of the D1 and the Dinc) were available long before.

Now, as to the issue at hand - your Droid X: As far as I know, no-one has released a custom Gingerbread rom yet, but ChevyNo1 over on Droid Forums seems to be close. I honestly think you'll see Gingerbread on a DX custom rom long before Motorola gets around to releasing their version. And you're better off using a custom rom anyway, since you can trust the developer a whole lot more than you can trust Motorola to release a rom that won't screw with your existing setup.

-Mike
 
GB OTA would erase root. The whole system partition would get wiped as a safety. Not because Moto is trying to unroot you as much as they want a clean install. Well, maybe a little "want to unroot you."
 
Lars said:
GB OTA would erase root. The whole system partition would get wiped as a safety. Not because Moto is trying to unroot you as much as they want a clean install. Well, maybe a little "want to unroot you."
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Lars, no offense meant but, if you believe that Motorola causes unrooting because they want a clean install, I'd like to hear your opinion of the Easter Bunny. :)

-Mike
 
ultra droid said:
If I were you, I'd avoid any Motorola OTA update. First off, the "new" features they offer are usually stale and outdated, by the time the update arrives. Witness the two Gingerbread roms I have, one on my Droid 1 and one on my Dinc. I've had both roms for 6 weeks or more, and they run flawlessly. What would an OTA update bring to the table that I don't already have? Additionally, as another poster pointed out, a successful OTA update WILL unroot your phone, and make it difficult (but not necessarily impossible) to re-root it. That's a lot of hassle to go through for information and tweaks that (in the case of the D1 and the Dinc) were available long before.

Now, as to the issue at hand - your Droid X: As far as I know, no-one has released a custom Gingerbread rom yet, but ChevyNo1 over on Droid Forums seems to be close. I honestly think you'll see Gingerbread on a DX custom rom long before Motorola gets around to releasing their version. And you're better off using a custom rom anyway, since you can trust the developer a whole lot more than you can trust Motorola to release a rom that won't screw with your existing setup.

-Mike
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So I can just refuse the update when it comes? If that is possible then that is definitely the route I'd prefer to take.
 
GSX said:
So I can just refuse the update when it comes? If that is possible then that is definitely the route I'd prefer to take.
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If you're rooted, ABSOLUTELY. The OTA update will fail if you have another recovery system installed, and if you are rooted, you must have CW Recovery installed. Also, removing some of what Motorola considers "essential" items (read BloatWare) from your phone will also cause the update to fail, so you remain rooted.

Conversely, if you're NOT rooted, then Motorola's OTA update can't really do you any damage. It may prevent you from rooting later, but more likely it would only *delay* you from rooting immediately after it installs. Depends on a lot of variables which are unknown today, March 6th.

-Mike
 
ultra droid said:
Lars, no offense meant but, if you believe that Motorola causes unrooting because they want a clean install, I'd like to hear your opinion of the Easter Bunny. :)

-Mike
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Unrooting is a side effect of a major OTA. Because moto can't (easily) account for every combination of OTA a phone may have prior to a major update, the easiest way is to wipe the system partition clean and put the update in a fresh install. It's like trying to update from XP to W7. Too many vairiables to update so a fresh install occurs. The Easter Bunny said so.

ultra droid said:
If you're rooted, ABSOLUTELY. The OTA update will fail if you have another recovery system installed, and if you are rooted, you must have CW Recovery installed. Also, removing some of what Motorola considers "essential" items (read BloatWare) from your phone will also cause the update to fail, so you remain rooted.

Conversely, if you're NOT rooted, then Motorola's OTA update can't really do you any damage. It may prevent you from rooting later, but more likely it would only *delay* you from rooting immediately after it installs. Depends on a lot of variables which are unknown today, March 6th.

-Mike
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Not absolutely. You can still get OTAs when rooted. In some cases you lose root. In others you don't but the OTA will succeed. As you say, if you also install a custom recovery, custom ROM or remove certain bloat the OTA will likely fail. Not all phones even prompt to accept the OTA. Some automatically install it. Samsung S (non Kies) for example. Santa said so. :cool:
 
Lars said:
Unrooting is a side effect of a major OTA. Because moto can't (easily) account for every combination of OTA a phone may have prior to a major update, the easiest way is to wipe the system partition clean and put the update in a fresh install. It's like trying to update from XP to W7. Too many vairiables to update so a fresh install occurs. The Easter Bunny said so.
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I respectfully disagree. Motorola, more than any other phone manufacturer seems to be personally INSULTED that the people who buy their product have the temerity to *think* that they know better than Motorola when it comes to what belongs on that phone. Motorola has shown an arrogant disregard for the rights of the end buyers ever since the release of the unlocked D1 and the fact that they consistently ferret out the keys that were used to unlock (root) the phone receiving the OTA update, and close that door.

Fortunately, the development community has managed to stay one step ahead of Motorola and the other manufacturers and manages to undo the damage inflicted by the non-accidental, VERY intentional un-rooting caused by their tainted OTA update. As I've said elsewhere, in different threads - why waste your time with an OTA update, when you've got many custom roms that offer all of the good, cool features months in advance of the OTA release? By the time it arrives, it's old news.
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Not absolutely. You can still get OTAs when rooted. In some cases you lose root. In others you don't but the OTA will succeed. As you say, if you also install a custom recovery, custom ROM or remove certain bloat the OTA will likely fail. Not all phones even prompt to accept the OTA. Some automatically install it. Samsung S (non Kies) for example. Santa said so. :cool:
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Again, I disagree. If you're using a custom recovery, like CM Recovery or SPRecovery, and have a custom rom installed, the OTA update *will* fail, because it expects to see certain things, and when it doesn't it simply aborts. On the other Forums that I hang out on, I have never seen one incident of any OTA update, from Motorola or HTC which blasted through a custom recovery and installed custom rom, wiped things out and installed the OTA. Never - not *one* incident. If you know for a fact that this has happened, I'd be interested in reading the posts or reports, because it would represent a real threat to the development community and those of us who are rooted and chose to avoid *any* OTA updates.

-Mike
 
GSX said:
My DX is rooted with z4root (I'm tech challenged and the one click version is easy). Will the GB update do anything to z4, or my phone?
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His question was whether being rooted would affect an ota. The answer is no. The ota will take but you will lose root. I have seen this numerous times including the x. To clarify again, if you do more than root you will have an issue.
this has nothing to do with motorolas attitude. This happens on every android device I've ever rooted and I don't think I could list all the models.
 
Well this thread seems like a good enough place to put a concern about froyo that gingerbread fixes. I heard about it first in last week's Security now w/ Steve Gibson. There is a security flaw that can allow a specially crafted website to execute an exploit when the site is visited that allows read Acsess to the root of the froyo phone's SD card contents. Gingerbread fixes this. In the mean time, useing an alternative browser keeps the exploit from working, according to the report. I allready do because there is a way supperior browser with real useful plugins- lastpass, desktop mode, fullscreen (they call him flipper, faster than lightning).
So will we get 2.3 from VZ? Probably. If not, like many said- the community will find a way to get it to us. But we should ask, whenever we upgrade any softeare: why do we need it? What features will it bring or enhance? 2.3 specific: The DX doesn't have an NFC chip, the voice recognition update will be nice though. The downside of useing a community ROM is like someone already said- getting the hardware to work right. I still miss my FM radio- can't find a ROM that supports it. Anyone know what the extra two microphones are for? Find out, its really cool- and there is no garentee they work the same on a community ROM. Calling #program onlyvworks on official VZ builds (unless someone can point me at a working solution please!?!) And my camera currently doesn't have use of the volume keys for zooming. But I still love this ROM. I like it off the reservation, and understand it comes with pros&cons. That's been the story w/ Linux and it will be the story of its offspring Android, probably forever. I don't mind. Because I never had a Windows/blackberry/palm/time traveling Delorian/ect that I could make a serial cable and have a terminal session via telenet on my network switches at work like me and my Droid X like to. While streaming a podcast and waving it at passers-by like a lightsaber. Saves time and is
 
Ok maybe a dumb question...are there any gingerbread roms out there that are true 2.3? I got my X on the 24th and my old droid 1 had 2.3 roms out since...like 1987 it seems...so let me know if there are any 2.3 roms so I can try out some 2.3 only games ;-)
 
The curse of the locked bootloader. No kernel replacement means no proper Gingerbread until Motorola bakes it up.
 
Tomorrow is the end of my 14 days to return...should I return? Went from a droid 1 so I was used to rom'ing it up like breakfast...;-(


Argh!!!!
 
If ROMs are what gives you pleasure in your phone, return it. You won't get full ROMs for this phone.

I posted this in another thread:

binary visions said:
I have decided that, at this point, usability of my phone, including the form factor, materials, size, shape, internals (cpu/radio/etc) and battery life, are more important than my need to noodle with the OS.

If another company produces a phone with a form factor/internals/etc. to compete with this phone (or a future Motorola phone), I would happily switch to an unlocked bootloader.

Unfortunately, there just wasn't anything that compared with the DX - locked bootloader or not. HTC has decided they don't care enough about battery life, and the OG Snapdragon just wasn't cutting it. Samsung decided they didn't care enough about their phone radios, screwed up the GPS, and crippled the phone with their proprietary filesystem which caused no end of problems.

I fear that we are heading down the same road again, with Motorola jumping on board with NVIDIA and going all-in with dual core. I would really like an unlocked bootloader... but not at the cost of high quality cell/GPS radios, good battery life, high end internals and a nice form factor/materials. IMO, those are all more important.
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This is only my opinion, but I believe we will see GB in the upcoming months. Why? The DX is one of the most popular Android phones that has ever been offered and there is a large install base out there - it doesn't make sense to me that Verizon would alienate many of these customers by ending support for a phone that will undoubtedly last well beyond the 2-year contract most of us have. And VZW has been supporting the original Droid phone well past its EOL date...it just wouldn't be consistent, let alone sensible in a customer-support way to say "So long and thanks for all the fish..." to all of us who are waiting for an official GB OTA on the DX.

Of course, in the (IMO unlikely) event that Verizon doesn't continue to support the DX after EOL I'm sure we'll see it come as a ROM (or Roms) from the Mod community...one way or another I don't think we need to worry :rolleyes:
 
So as i debated returning the phone...theirs nothing better out especially with the 4g drama...I could jailbreak the crap out of an iphone...but its a tiny screen I would hate it..plus I like android...so I could just use my phone as I do now...and for games I could have a small tablet...I even had a nook color rooted before I took it back and it was plenty fast...I will deal with 2.2 for now...plus I know a verizon manager who lets me upgrade early anyway (I wasnt eligible until 7/6 when I upgraded 2 weeks ago)
 
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