Evo 4G vs Epic 4G

[dbpaddler]

Does go a little hand in hand though. If the phone generally sells well, it gets better support and the rooting community tendxs to back that up. The Moment had pretty good rooting support and it was a one company phone.

The epic is part of a major push by samsung with similar phones on multiple carriers, something only really done by htc and more recenty motorola. So once rooting and recovery is solid, you'll see it build much quicker. To judge it after a few weeks when many in that community are on Evos because it came first, isn't really fair.

absolutely. but those people aren't here. the people who do care are here, which is exactly why it's being discussed. I don't really care how well Samsung Epics sell. Or Evos. That's Samsung's and HTC's problem.

 

[vud911]

Can't find the post to save my life. So here they are again.


If I remember correctly, this was on auto brightness. Both phones, same settings, same home page for the most part. Forgive the dust. The sunlight amplifies everything. The difference is very noticeable.

And this is on max brightness.

Thanks for the picture comparison, appreciate it .

Yea, that's pretty much the same issue I had with the HD2. When the sun directly hits during the summer, I couldn't see anything at all. Vibrant's SAMOLED, yep, I can though more difficult than norm, but definitely visible.

 

[dr g]

Having used both devices in a variety of situations since Epic launch day, I can say that the Evo remains the clearly better device at this moment. Although the Epic enjoys a specification advantage, in real-world use it is smoother but not significantly faster. The Evo is just more mature, stable and thus capable at this time. Software updates could change this, but we'll have to see how well Samsung does in supporting the devices.

BTW I have no problem viewing the Evo in sunlight, as has been the case with more or less all users from day 1. Sunlight viewing has always been considered a strength of the Evo.

 

[vud911]

BTW I have no problem viewing the Evo in sunlight, as has been the case with more or less all users from day 1. Sunlight viewing has always been considered a strength of the Evo.

??? All users? but dpaddler just posted 2 pictures/his experience said otherwise...

 

[dbpaddler]

and he speaks for all users no less...

??? All users? but dpaddler just posted 2 pictures/his experience said otherwise...

 

[vud911]

and he speaks for all users no less...

Yea, he played with it since launch while I think you owned both since launch. Kinda funny if you think about it.

 

[jim2point0]

Yea, he played with it since launch while I think you owned both since launch. Kinda funny if you think about it.

I've owned both phones since their respective launch dates and I find that my Epic is easier to view in direct sunlight. I wonder if experiences differ based on the type of screen people have on their EVO. I know there are 2 different types you can have...

 

[Iczer]

I'm just getting used to it now. I do miss the screen, but I can get past that. I'm loving the feel of the Evo though. It feels so much better built and sturdy without the QWERTY keyboard, which I didn't want or need. Ultimately that was the reason I traded it in. I was actually getting used to the UI of the Epic though. I liked the features on how you answer the phone, dragging the contact up to answer, etc. But I came from the Hero and the Evo feels similar. Now I have to wait for UnrEVOked to fix their issue so I can root and play with this thing.

I'll admit, the Epic does feel more smooth navigating around. I do not notice a lag or anything, but the Epic just seemed to be much more crisp. That is, when the buttons worked how they were supposed to. I did have a few times that the captivate buttons didn't always work on the first touch, or when trying to hang up the phone I'd have trouble hanging up b/c the touchscreen would not be responsive to where I couldn't hang up. From what I hear, rooting and loading a custom ROM and kernel will help with the snapiness?

What's the best kernel and rom? I used Fresh on Hero and I see they have a ROM for the Evo as well.

 

[tsipa]

I'm just getting used to it now. I do miss the screen, but I can get past that. I'm loving the feel of the Evo though. It feels so much better built and sturdy without the QWERTY keyboard, which I didn't want or need. Ultimately that was the reason I traded it in. I was actually getting used to the UI of the Epic though. I liked the features on how you answer the phone, dragging the contact up to answer, etc. But I came from the Hero and the Evo feels similar. Now I have to wait for UnrEVOked to fix their issue so I can root and play with this thing.

I'll admit, the Epic does feel more smooth navigating around. I do not notice a lag or anything, but the Epic just seemed to be much more crisp. That is, when the buttons worked how they were supposed to. I did have a few times that the captivate buttons didn't always work on the first touch, or when trying to hang up the phone I'd have trouble hanging up b/c the touchscreen would not be responsive to where I couldn't hang up.

No need to wait for unRevoked, the manual root method is pretty simple also...

 

[baddubbin]

also, unrevoked3 issues are with teh desire. it works fine with the evo, you can download a beta copy of 3.21 from their irc channel. I used it two nights ago, worked flawlessly.

 

[asaberan]

The Evo is much snappier with a custom ROM and kernel. I have pretty much the same things to say about the Epic I played with a few days ago. As a former hardware keyboard only guy, I will never buy a phone with one again after having the Evo for the past 3 months.

And I second "The Manual Root Method is Easy" comment.

 

[Buckrub58]

I agree with Iczer completely.

I too just turned in the Epic for the Evo. I waited and waited for the Epic and once I got it, I was kind of let down. The screen was great, and like Iczer, I liked the UI on how you answer the phone and having the options to turn on/off the radios in the notification bar.

Unfortunatly, I could not get over the issues. Between the battery life, crappy upload speeds, gps inaccuracy, and a few other glitches I was worried that they were not going to address everything within the 30 days or ever.

After having the EVO for a few days now, I am mad at myself for not going with the EVO sooner. This thing is awesome. No issues and it just feels so much better in my hand. It is the better phone, imo. Plus I am coming from the TP2, so I have 3 batteries for the EVO. I am getting twice as much run time than I did with the Epic regardless, so I should be set.

 

[lxy33]

I've had the EPIC for 2 weeks now, I love it! LOVE the screen and think it's pretty good --- my only issue is the darn keyboard! It doesn't feel as sturdy as it should be. I mean, It feels a little cheap---maybe it's me.... i"m still debating whether I should exchange---decisions decisions.........

 

[dan330]

the epic is winning!!!

Smartphone Championship: HTC EVO 4G vs Samsung Galaxy S

go vote for the phone you like

 

[dr g]

Yea, he played with it since launch while I think you owned both since launch. Kinda funny if you think about it.

I own both since Epic launch (Evo since a couple days after launch).

??? All users? but dpaddler just posted 2 pictures/his experience said otherwise...

I am not speaking of a comparison between the two but about the general claim that it is hard to see an Evo in sunlight. It simply is not and never has been.

and he speaks for all users no less...

At least users of this forum, which tend to be picker than average users. I have followed this forum very closely since Evo launch. Generally sunlight viewing problems with the Evo boiled down to user error.

I've owned both phones since their respective launch dates and I find that my Epic is easier to view in direct sunlight. I wonder if experiences differ based on the type of screen people have on their EVO. I know there are 2 different types you can have...

Whether the Epic is better than the Evo is not the point of what I posted. Both are viewable fine in sunlight (save the polarization issue I have encountered on the Epic -- which by the way is the reason the posted images look the way they do), and any attempt to portray the Evo unreadable, as the images and faux analysis posted in this thread are, is bunk.

 

[Slick1020]

Who factors in being able to view a screen in direct sunlight before buying a phone when you can buy an anti-glare screen protector for your phone. That's what I use. Doesn't matter where I am, I can see the images on my EVO.

 

[dbpaddler]

Whatever dietcoke, I mean dr g...

And I don't know many who like the anti glare screens for general use. most seem to try them and go right back to the crystal clear ones saying it leaves the screen looking like it has a film on it under normal lighting conditions. At least that's what I've read.

Reading through this thread there seems to be a few of us that have both phones with the consensus being the epic is much easier too read in direct sunlight with online reviews stating the same and showing comparison pics as well as my own comparison pics. Think that is enough not to be considered bunk. It is a lot more proof than some of the flimsy statements to the contrary here that provide no backup.

We all have our preferences and each has its strengths. If you need that extra level of readability with small type, want the extra .3"and don't mind a lower contrast screen then you'll like the evo. If you want truer blacks, better and more accurate color at the expense of some resolution, mainly for smaller fonts, then you'll like the Epic. And that is provided you like the form factor of one over the other. Or if you have a preference for sense or touch wiz. Those are really the three determining factors of the phones: form factor, screen and skin. Realizing that the skins actually have functionality and are not just cosmetic. At least that's my humble opinion.

 

[zion168]

The subpar text readability of the Pentile screen is a deal breaker for me. Otherwise I'd pick the Epic over EVO.

 

[dr g]

Who factors in being able to view a screen in direct sunlight before buying a phone when you can buy an anti-glare screen protector for your phone. That's what I use. Doesn't matter where I am, I can see the images on my EVO.

The anti-glare won't solve a true sunlight readability problem, I've owned and used (or tried to) several smartphones and PDAs over the years that went completely black in the sun (starting with a Palm IIIc!). The Evo is eminently readable in the sun, whether the Epic is more or less so doesn't change that.

 

[Maximos]

I had an Epic for a few days. I thought it was nice but I felt that it wasn't for me. Felt a little insubstantial, the screen was over-saturated, and I found the keyboard to be an impediment rather than a useful extension of the phone. I got my Evo yesterday and opened it up today... wow. Incredible device. Build quality on mine is #1, with a tiny spot of light leakage but definitely not a deal breaker. It is a revision 0003 with Froyo loaded.

I haven't decided on whether or not to root it and try out a few different ROMs and kernels. I haven't used it enough to comment on battery life yet, but performance is smooth after using the Froyo task killer to get rid of the Sprint bloatware (against the Froyo rules, sue me). I also saw that you can install the entire Ubutu OS on this device? That's really cool.

I have a Seidio Active "Stormtrooper" as well as a Boxwave Crystal screen protector on order. I look forward to being an active part of this community.

 

[dbpaddler]

you seem to be the only one who says this.

The Evo is eminently readable in the sun

 

[vud911]

I am not speaking of a comparison between the two but about the general claim that it is hard to see an Evo in sunlight. It simply is not and never has been.



At least users of this forum, which tend to be picker than average users. I have followed this forum very closely since Evo launch. Generally sunlight viewing problems with the Evo boiled down to user error.



Whether the Epic is better than the Evo is not the point of what I posted. Both are viewable fine in sunlight (save the polarization issue I have encountered on the Epic -- which by the way is the reason the posted images look the way they do), and any attempt to portray the Evo unreadable, as the images and faux analysis posted in this thread are, is bunk.

Its hard to take you seriously when you post stuffs like:

"Misinformation ftl, the Evo has a GPU, and you would find it as fast or faster in the tests shown (over Epic/Droid 2). Smoothness is another question but it was not a factor in this comparison."

"By "it" I meant the evo. Fortunately, benchmarks don't actually do anything, so in real use the evo ends up as effective or moreso."

You know that Adreno205 is only comparable with the GPU used in the Galaxy S series? Evo is using Adreno200...not even Adreno205.

Don't try to contend the GPU in the Evo is somehow better. You won't get anywhere.

 

[vud911]

Max file size on Android is 2GB, a 1080p movie is 4-8GB. So good luck with that.

So yea...did something interesting. I downloaded a 3.4GB 720p movie and played it with no problem.

The actual file size limit is 4gb because the internal SD card is formatted to FAT32, but this can be changed to ext2/ext3/ext4 (but then Windows can't read it, you'll need a Linux/Linux virtual machine to transfer your files.)

So yea...stop repeating the max file size is 2GB. Its not unless your internal/external SD card is using a FAT16 partition, in which you can upgrade to FAT32/one of the Linux partition. Android can read FAT16/FAT32/ext/ext2/ext3/ext4 no problem. Not NTFS though because that's a Windows partition table.

Edit: I take that back, there are ways to read ext filesystem from Windows.

 

[Aero1]

I have had both for the past coupel of weeks. We have started with theree epics and oen evo.

Objective Pluses for Evo:
much MUCH better 3g speeds
Much more consistent GPS
Better battery life (a surprise to us)

Subjective pluses:
Nicer UI
More readable screen for text if you are over 40 (yes even in the sun)
seems better build quality
Preferred for watching videos*
HTC's better history of updates and support


Objective pluses for Epic

Keyboard
General screen performance (excluding text)
better video camera
better gaming
six axis gyros

subjective pluses
certain sammy widgets

I think we are finding the physical keyboard compelling. Booh my wife an I deal with a number of text documents on the go. While we have a netbook and medium weight laptop the physical keyboard on the Epic is extremely useful to us. We look to b setting out at two evo and two pic for our houshold and will be deciding in a week or so.

*That takes some explaining. I would have thought we would have preferred the S.amoled, but it is only slightly better to us, the Epic colors do not seem accurate, but more the the point the kickstand and slightly better speaker make watching a film noticably more pleasant on Evo for us. I find the upper volumes on speaker both hgher quality and higher amount of volume. The Epic is just belwo the threshould for us with its speaker, and wit no good sopftware gain boster on android (wqhich was a surprise) that just leaves us with running boost routines between demux and remux cycles in ripbot which is laborious in an otherwise automated and overnight quued taks of optimizing exiting bd rips for smartphones.
The fact is in our household, given the choice for watching movies, everyone prefers the evo.

 

[Putty]

I played with the Epic yesterday...It's nice, but not an EVO, imo.