IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
That is hands down the best comparison I've seen. Kudos.
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Evo 4G vs Epic 4G
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That is hands down the best comparison I've seen. Kudos.
Why do people complain about the battery size? It's a phone and its just like buying a factory car. If you don't like something on a vehicle, pay the EXTRA cost in order to have your car upgraded. If you don't like the battery in the EVO, pay the EXTRA cost and buy yourself a bigger battery from Seidio.
Because the larger battery eliminates 99% of the commercially-available cases, plus just about any accessory (car mount, dock etc) that assumes the dimensions of the stock battery. An Epic owner with case and spare batteries is almost guaranteed to end up with a broken case in a matter of months, if not weeks, because the little tabs holding it onto the lower half of the phone were NEVER intended to be stressed out that way on a daily basis.
Plus, if the stock batteries were larger, they could make better use of the entire rear surface of the phone and make a phone that's "stocky" instead of "pregnant". Ever see the huge orange plastic frame inside of an Evo? A good chunk of that wasted space COULD have been battery. Not all of it, but almost certainly enough to shave at least 25-30% of the thickness from a 3500mAH battery by spreading it over a larger footprint. They could have made the frame shallower, stacked small cells to fit inside the donut hole, then continued stacking much larger cells above that to fill in the full rear surface area of the phone.
A phone should be able to make it a full day, and still work for a couple of hours the next morning (assuming 6-8 hours in a minimally-powered state where it's just awake enough to watch for incoming calls/text messages), on a single charge, without having to bend over backwards and render the phone unusable or functionally-compromised to achieve it. If it can't, it needs a bigger battery. 5 years ago, it was mainly an engineering challenge and economic problem. Now, it's just a case of bad design and/or management that's completely out of touch with the issues faced by real users of their products. If someone in China can sell two 1500mAH batteries plus charger with free shipping to the US for $10 and make a profit, adding a few more lithium cells to beef up the stock battery from 1500 to 2800-3500mAH isn't going to bankrupt HTC or Samsung.
The problem is that manufacturers got used to cutting battery corners when LiPo was expensive, then kept doing it after they became cheap to keep phones from being "too thick". Imagine, for a moment, that both the Evo and Epic were available in models that cost $25 more that were 1mm thicker, but had 2800-3200mAH batteries fully integrated into their designs that didn't awkwardly hang off the back like tumors. Sprint and Best Buy would practically have to GIVE AWAY the ones with the small batteries (or give away free batteries) once the reviews got out, because NOBODY would buy the ones with the small batteries.
A better analogy would be to dismiss complaints if cars were sold with 5-gallon gas tanks, on the theory that users who aren't happy with it can tow an external fuel tank behind them.
Look over the main boards on any Android-related site for the Evo and/or Epic. Roughly HALF the problems, complaints, and issues are due to battery life (and efforts to prolong it). That says something. The batteries are just fundamentally *too small*.
Plus, if the stock batteries were larger, they could make better use of the entire rear surface of the phone and make a phone that's "stocky" instead of "pregnant". Ever see the huge orange plastic frame inside of an Evo? A good chunk of that wasted space COULD have been battery. Not all of it, but almost certainly enough to shave at least 25-30% of the thickness from a 3500mAH battery by spreading it over a larger footprint. They could have made the frame shallower, stacked small cells to fit inside the donut hole, then continued stacking much larger cells above that to fill in the full rear surface area of the phone.
A phone should be able to make it a full day, and still work for a couple of hours the next morning (assuming 6-8 hours in a minimally-powered state where it's just awake enough to watch for incoming calls/text messages), on a single charge, without having to bend over backwards and render the phone unusable or functionally-compromised to achieve it. If it can't, it needs a bigger battery. 5 years ago, it was mainly an engineering challenge and economic problem. Now, it's just a case of bad design and/or management that's completely out of touch with the issues faced by real users of their products. If someone in China can sell two 1500mAH batteries plus charger with free shipping to the US for $10 and make a profit, adding a few more lithium cells to beef up the stock battery from 1500 to 2800-3500mAH isn't going to bankrupt HTC or Samsung.
The problem is that manufacturers got used to cutting battery corners when LiPo was expensive, then kept doing it after they became cheap to keep phones from being "too thick". Imagine, for a moment, that both the Evo and Epic were available in models that cost $25 more that were 1mm thicker, but had 2800-3200mAH batteries fully integrated into their designs that didn't awkwardly hang off the back like tumors. Sprint and Best Buy would practically have to GIVE AWAY the ones with the small batteries (or give away free batteries) once the reviews got out, because NOBODY would buy the ones with the small batteries.
A better analogy would be to dismiss complaints if cars were sold with 5-gallon gas tanks, on the theory that users who aren't happy with it can tow an external fuel tank behind them.
Look over the main boards on any Android-related site for the Evo and/or Epic. Roughly HALF the problems, complaints, and issues are due to battery life (and efforts to prolong it). That says something. The batteries are just fundamentally *too small*.
AndroidSPCS
Android Expert
If you look at ANY Android forums / sites, on nearly ALL of the phones there are complaints about battery life.
You'll also see similar complaints about the iPhone, Blackberry, etc etc. It's just part of owning a smartphone, sadly.
iPhone 4 battery issues? - Mac Forums
Battery life too short... - BlackBerryForums.com : Your Number One BlackBerry Community
Etc etc...
They could probably put a battery twice the size and people will still complain about it. Doesn't really matter.
At least you can buy spare / cheap batteries on eBay and carry them as spares if you really need to. I have bought them, but have not needed to use them, as I have a car charger, and ac charger if I need them.
Or you can buy over-sized batteries. With the iPhone you have no such choice.
You'll also see similar complaints about the iPhone, Blackberry, etc etc. It's just part of owning a smartphone, sadly.
iPhone 4 battery issues? - Mac Forums
Battery life too short... - BlackBerryForums.com : Your Number One BlackBerry Community
Etc etc...
They could probably put a battery twice the size and people will still complain about it. Doesn't really matter.
At least you can buy spare / cheap batteries on eBay and carry them as spares if you really need to. I have bought them, but have not needed to use them, as I have a car charger, and ac charger if I need them.
Or you can buy over-sized batteries. With the iPhone you have no such choice.
Well, yeah. I'm not singling out the Evo and Epic. It's endemic throughout the entire mobile phone industry. Those are just the two phones most relevant to everyone reading this 
I kind of miss the happy days when phones used to ship with NiMH batteries, because back then you COULD literally drop in a Lithium extended battery of identical dimensions to the stock NiMH battery and more or less double your battery life on the spot
You're right that people would still complain with twice the battery life, but my point is that it would go from something that nearly EVERYONE gripes about and has problems with to something that just affects a few users with extreme or unusual needs. As it is, you can walk into a room full of Evo, Epic, and iPhone owners, ask who's dissatisfied with their battery life, and have nearly every hand in the room go up. The one or two users who didn't hear you because they were busy looking for a power outlet or swapping batteries don't count
I kind of miss the happy days when phones used to ship with NiMH batteries, because back then you COULD literally drop in a Lithium extended battery of identical dimensions to the stock NiMH battery and more or less double your battery life on the spot
You're right that people would still complain with twice the battery life, but my point is that it would go from something that nearly EVERYONE gripes about and has problems with to something that just affects a few users with extreme or unusual needs. As it is, you can walk into a room full of Evo, Epic, and iPhone owners, ask who's dissatisfied with their battery life, and have nearly every hand in the room go up. The one or two users who didn't hear you because they were busy looking for a power outlet or swapping batteries don't count
This should kill the topic of EVO vs EPIC.
Popular Mechanics Votes HTC EVO 4G One of the Top Products of 2010
Popular Mechanics Awards HTC EVO 4G for Sprint
END OF STORY!
Popular Mechanics Votes HTC EVO 4G One of the Top Products of 2010
Popular Mechanics Awards HTC EVO 4G for Sprint
END OF STORY!
Kelmar
Done by choice
I find that my Epic lasts longer through the day then when I take the wife's Evo.
Evo definitely seems to charge faster than the Epic though (if you plan on keeping the phone on and usable). Though it's not like it's HOURS longer. I've never run them both completely to empty and tested so I cannot confirm if it's perception or if it's 100% fact.
AndroidSPCS
Android Expert
In my experience the Moment and Epic seem to take longer to charge than any other phones I have used. So I agree.
A cell phone with a bigger screen is going to use more juice than a cell phone with a smaller screen. Like saying a 55 inch flat screen uses less power than a 60 inch flat screen tv.
The Epic has been observed charging a LOT faster when powered down than it does when it's booted up into Android (even with the screen off) -- way faster than the mere difference in running current load suggests it should. Most likely, the charging circuit is willing to tolerate higher battery temperatures when the phone is "off", or if it's something the kernel has influence over, it might just be a bug that causes it to always think it's connected to a real USB port (and thus limited to 500mA) when booted up (or maybe Samsung found a bug at the last minute relating to battery temperature readings, and just limited current draw under those conditions across the board to be safe for now)
Kelmar
Done by choice
Awesome???
I'm just stating that, in my experience, one lasts longer than the other. I'm not looking to debate the subject or say one is better than the other.
The Evo (even with it's larger screen) lasts longer than the Hero does. Once again, just stating experience.
The only way people can make decisions is if they hear unbiased opinions. I'm not defending EITHER phone or stating that EITHER phone is better than the other.
Not much relevance to this thread, however...
This, at least in my case, is MILES off from my experience. On a conservative estimate my Hero(s) last at a very min 50% longer. This is based on equal amounts of moderate (business use) voice and text usage, the Hero is not a MANDATORY nightly charge. It will still get me through most of the the next day on the rare occasions that I dont charge o/n And dont have access to my auto charger. Evo, pretty much not a chance.
To sum it up, without charge, per my usage the Evo is pretty much a 4-5 pm phone (9-10hr) and pretty much guaranteed the Hero to be at least 15hrs (yes I do get 15hr workdays) and generally can get 23-24 out of it on lighter days including o/n standby) I dont use autobrightness or any power management on either, on the Evo, 4g is generally off but wireless, bt and sync anytime are always on.
toomuchgame441
Android Expert
I would just like to find a way to get 14hrs out of my Evo. My Hero has never been great with battery life but at least got me thru a day. I'm lucky to get 8 hrs with moderate usage on my Evo. Is hate to see what my battery is really like without Juice Defender
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Or maybe it's just the superior power sipping technology SAMOLED offers over TFTLCD...
dbpaddler
Android Expert
In a car, putting in a larger battery in doesn't mean having to replace your factory hood.
Looks like someone doesn't know what they are talking about and need to do some research on batteries for the EVO before they decide to post. Not all the batteries currently available for the EVO requires a replacement battery cover.
dbpaddler
Android Expert
Actually, my research is just fine and history shows that a majority of aftermarket batteries that work with stock covers, evo included, are marginal improvements at best. In that case it's easier and cheaper to get a battery charger and spare battery to keep charged and handy. The people that really need that much extra juice are going for the big boys that go with the larger covers.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
I agree with this. What's the point in buying a new battery that only gets a 5-10% boost with 20-40% percent upcharge?
Caloy
Android Expert
I have the stock battery, the Siedio 1750 mah extended battery, as well as a pair of Chinese 3000mah extended batteries bought from eBay. In my experience, the Siedio extended battery offers little or no advantage over the stock battery. While the Chinese 3000mah battery did have a little advantage in terms of longevity. But now I just prefer to pack and extra battery than deal with the bulk of the extended Chinese ones.
Does this mean my extended battery aren't used? Well no, I save them for long trips. But I currently have no need for extended battery at work since I finish a day at work with at least. 75% left. I just carry a spare just in case I have enough time to watch a movie, or will be using my phone a lot more that day and not just make it a portable music player the entire day.
Does this mean my extended battery aren't used? Well no, I save them for long trips. But I currently have no need for extended battery at work since I finish a day at work with at least. 75% left. I just carry a spare just in case I have enough time to watch a movie, or will be using my phone a lot more that day and not just make it a portable music player the entire day.
toomuchgame441
Android Expert
^ Hideous... ROFL.
