Root Important post by P3droid (For GB users especially)

[yawdapaah]

The problem isn't with getting kicked off the network- that wouldn't hold up. Its locking down phones to prevent root exploits. That's what the endgame is. And its driving a final nail in the android community in the process. Its david vs goliath. And in this case, goliath has the resources to completely smother us. The devs do GREAT work, but I'm sure if manufacturers made a big push to prevent root, it wouldn't take them long to accomplish it.

Lol, and that's where Google is coming into the picture. I for one hope Google nails these suckers.

 

[Steven58]

Might as well merge the two threads as they are the same.

 

[emaN resU]

If they already had it implemented, then the people that get warranties on rooted devices would have that cost added to their bill.

Only if they were enforcing it, and that would announce to the world that in fact, they were enforcing it, and since they are raking in the dough hand over fist, and weren't positive of the outcome/repercussions of that information becoming public, what would be their motivation? Just to get a few hundred bucks from the violators? I don't think they would take that chance, yet. You can be sure that they are working out a strategy to come up with a solution that doesn't make them look like the bad guy to everyone, just the small percentage that would care.

 

[alprazolam]

FYI...P3Droid is using the same GB leak that we are. I don't think that his post is supposed to induce panic about your current setup. I think it is more of a testament of things to come. The sadness that root is going to be much more difficult to come by on future phones and that the "Network" will know. If and when Verizon decides to start enforcing no root, I'm quite sure that they will offer those who are currently rooted the opportunity to go back to stock without repercussions.

I'm staying put and yep, I'm tethering. Maybe they know and will shut me down tomorrow. Big Brother! Mwahahaha!

 

[woodstorm]

P3Droid just posted that it's already done. We have all been tracked. Shit happens.

 

[woodstorm]

Might as well merge the two threads as they are the same.

Good. I kept losing focus. Lol

 

[alprazolam]

Well, that just means that TBH just screwed you royally because, according to him, he has been sitting on this info for quite a while. Therefore, he would have known that GB would have us all tagged. I'm not buying it. Sorry.

 

[woodstorm]

Well, that just means that TBH just screwed you royally because, according to him, he has been sitting on this info for quite a while. Therefore, he would have known that GB would have us all tagged. I'm not buying it. Sorry.

Nope. Happened before the GB leak according to his posts. He is tweeting drunk so maybe we should wait for the whole story with the third shoe tomorrow. Anyone following him care to post the tweets. I'm on my Scarlet Droid...

 

[sjones765]

P3droid -
"some of u, blame me for leaking GB, and now u worried about what I wrote. After 3rd shoe u will understand, it did not matter. So dont take this personal or do, but piss off, if you loaded GB u had already been tracked, getoff my back I carry enough weight already."

Eh, so whats done is done, or isn't done. But for now, My phone still works, Im liking my GB tracked? leak. And no worries. If Verizon screws with me too much, Ill go to the company that screws with me the least.

 

[alprazolam]

P3droid -
"some of u, blame me for leaking GB, and now u worried about what I wrote. After 3rd shoe u will understand, it did not matter. So dont take this personal or do, but piss off, if you loaded GB u had already been tracked, getoff my back I carry enough weight already."

Oh, he's my Android hero. A god if you will.

 

[llamakc]

P3droid -
"some of u, blame me for leaking GB, and now u worried about what I wrote. After 3rd shoe u will understand, it did not matter. So dont take this personal or do, but piss off, if you loaded GB u had already been tracked, getoff my back I carry enough weight already."

Eh, so whats done is done, or isn't done. But for now, My phone still works, Im liking my GB tracked? leak. And no worries. If Verizon screws with me too much, Ill go to the company that screws with me the least.

I SBF'd back tonight. If they have my meid, there is nothing I can do.

Sucks.

 

[woodstorm]

I SBF'd back tonight. If they have my meid, there is nothing I can do.

Sucks.

Exactly. What they do with it is what I think the next post will be about. It was already leaked that they are planning on adding up to $299 in fees to phones that were returned for warranty issues that had excessive damage. I guess we Scarlet Rooters will be in that catagory if we are allowed to return them at all.

 

[Outlaw71]

Oh the sky is falling again? Oh dear...

I appreciate P3 giving what he considers pertinent information out and all the rest of it, I really do. So don't think I'm bitch slapping him at all when I say this... but I've heard this all before. So I'm more than simply not surprised, I'm not in the least bit going to worry about it.

There are many different carriers, OEMs, and OS's out there to choose from. If one or two of them (I kept hearing Verizon and Moto... did all of you?) are trying to get MORE out of us than some of the others, I don't mind switching around to someone who isn't so military minded and gung-ho about this stuff. We aren't that big of a community compared to the vast numbers of smartphone users. So we can't be making that big of an impact.

Should I worry that there might be a light on in a Verizon office somewhere that says I'm rooted? Bahahahahaha... why would I be? What are they going to do, refuse my next monthly payment? Ummmm..... ok, hello Sprint or T-Mobile, how are you today? I've already sworn off Motorola (unless the Targa is for real the next Nexus device... Nexus devices are unlocked, so no worries there), I can throw my Verizon device through the front door of their nearest store and sign up with someone else without shedding a single tear over losing that relationship.

Trust me on this, I'm WAY more important to them then they are to me.

P3 said according to his info this isn't just a Verizon/Moto thing, but a system wide cooberation that's going to close down every phone. Yet HTC just released the Thunderbolt with a locked bootloader, and a few days later released the keys to that bootloader. You know what that says to me? To me that's like HTC saying, "oh sure we could lock you guys out like Moto is doing, it's not that they're any better at it than we are. But....... meh, we don't want to lock you guys out. So here you go, have at it".

I have no issues switching from network to network and from OEM to OEM until I've found the combination I like the most. Perhaps Verizon wants nothing to do with hackers, rooters and ROMers... fine. I'm sure someone wants my money. I don't see Sprint, or T-Mobile trying any of these shenanigans. In fact, I think Sprint rather speaks to us in a tone that says, "annoyed with all the restrictions on other carriers? Come to Sprint". Like this commercial for instance...

YouTube - Sprint Dictionary

To me that commercial has both hands pointing the middle finger at AT&T and Verizon. And everyday I get a little closer to jumping on board with them to point my middle finger at them too.

With all that said I do appreciate what P3 is trying to teach us here about responsibility. I realize when I root my phone I've voided my warrantee, and I accept that. And I do get upset with those who are making things worse for the rest of us for doing just that. I just think the carriers could go about it differently. If they recieve a device that's been turned in on insurance and it's been rooted, send it back to them and refuse them a replacement. I will never bad mouth a carrier for doing just that.

Fair is fair.

 

[MikeAce00]

I don't use tether at all, but my concern is the slippery slope here. Next step could be for VZ or ATT to start limiting our home use.... $10 for a second pc, $5 for a WiFi printer...oh man i can see it now.

 

[sjones765]

I SBF'd back tonight. If they have my meid, there is nothing I can do.

Sucks.

Why? Cause Verizon tracked you? Does it really matter? Does your phone still work?
Come on everything tracks us. From your car to what you watch on tv. especially your laptop,tablet,desktop,phone(s).

More so is the fact that yesterday we didn't know this and we were fine. Phones worked and we were still on the network. The only thing that has changed, at least the way I see it, is now "they" know, that we know.

 

[faber78]

going back to a non smart phone is in my future plans; if this becomes worthless.
time line;
- gb "leak" (hmmm....moto finally fixed blur)
- tbh makes some money off leak (donations, app, whatever)
- root is found quick
- p3droid comes out (he seems to have a conscience)
beginning before gb? possible....but def. at gb.
i didnt feel right about (and started my now locked by me thread to see if any others didnt and why) gb before reading p3droids release.

i ditched gb; after that im not worrying about it. ill deal with whatever else when it gets here.
(its just a phone, not a necessity....not worth worrying about).

 

[llamakc]

Why? Cause Verizon tracked you? Does it really matter? Does your phone still work?
Come on everything tracks us. From your car to what you watch on tv. especially your laptop,tablet,desktop,phone(s).

More so is the fact that yesterday we didn't know this and we were fine. Phones worked and we were still on the network. The only thing that has changed, at least the way I see it, is now "they" know, that we know.

I went back via SBF because I chose to. You don't have to patronize me with all of the other tracking data that I'm already aware of.

And you are easily one step behind what is going on.

 

[alprazolam]

Listen folks. I'm not a loyalist or worshiper of any dev. I appreciate the work they do and the releases that they are able to come up with...but I don't lift them up as a god. Seriously, you have to think about this situation. You have this fellow who writes part 1 today and will tell you the rest of the story if you tune in tomorrow night. Drama much? This dev thrives off of having people hold on to his every word and his plight; the giant responsibility of being the keeper of the super secret info. It's not that I doubt he has info (we have gotten all of our leaks from him or TBH), but I just find this stringing along to be more than silly. If it were me, I'd tell you...Hey, you are all F'd...they know and this is what they are going to do. End of story. This is just ridiculous.

 

[woodstorm]

going back to a non smart phone is in my future plans; if this becomes worthless.
time line;
- gb "leak" (hmmm....moto finally fixed blur)
- tbh makes some money off leak (donations, app, whatever)
- root is found quick
- p3droid comes out (he seems to have a conscience)
beginning before gb? possible....but def. at gb.
i didnt feel right about (and started my now locked by me thread to see if any others didnt and why) gb before reading p3droids release.

i ditched gb; after that im not worrying about it. ill deal with whatever else when it gets here.
(its just a phone, not a necessity....not worth worrying about).

I got gist of what you were saying in the thread. There's some funny stuff in GB. Wasn't in froyo but my thought is what's done is done. I really can't bring myself to believe that TBH would knowingly put out a ROM that would sniff us all out. Et tu, Black Hat? Stranger things have happened, though...

 

[Steven58]

I found P3's thread interesting and evocative. I'm not particularly saddened, as I think it through, because it's my phone and I can throw it down the toilet bowl, if I really wanted to. I haven't used WT much. In fact, I don't use 3g as much as I do WiFi. What can Verizon do to me?

I like the new GB very much, and am going to stay with it, at least until the third foot drops.

So, P3 KNEW about something going on where we were being tracked? He knew about it for a long time and didn't tell us, but made money off us us? Me included?

I believe P3 is a talented dev, but if he knew that his continued work, which many of us paid for, would be used by Verizon against those of us who partook of that work... well, that's kind of sleazy, if you ask me.

Perhaps I'm reading the situation wrong. However, if I'm not, let me say this.... If I'm not, then the most troubling part of this story, to me, is not what Verizon is doing to us, but what P3 has done to us.

However, I'm going to wait for that third foot to drop and keep an even temper about this. I'm just thinking out loud, here. I hope I'm wrong.

My next response for now? I'm going to bed.

Gnite!

 

[woodstorm]

Listen folks. I'm not a loyalist or worshiper of any dev. I appreciate the work they do and the releases that they are able to come up with...but I don't lift them up as a god. Seriously, you have to think about this situation. You have this fellow who writes part 1 today and will tell you the rest of the story if you tune in tomorrow night. Drama much? This dev thrives off of having people hold on to his every word and his plight; the giant responsibility of being the keeper of the super secret info. It's not that I doubt he has info (we have gotten all of our leaks from him or TBH), but I just find this stringing along to be more than silly. If it were me, I'd tell you...Hey, you are all F'd...they know and this is what they are going to do. End of story. This is just ridiculous.

Good point.

 

[Outlaw71]

If Verizon really does have a list of people that have a rooted device, why wouldn't I want to be on that list? Anyone?

What are they going to do, send us to the principals office? I can remember back in elementary school, all the kids who got sent to the principals office... were the cool kids who didn't give a **** about those pissy rules that all the other sheep followed. Like no chewing gum in class, no passing notes to girls, not cussing, etc...

And the thing about cool kids is, they don't give a frak if they get sent to the principals office. So what? Hell that just proves he's one cool cat if he had to make that walk.

So am I being sent to the principals office now? Aight. Ain't no shame being one of the cool kids. Always have been, and always will be.

 

[faber78]

I went back via SBF because I chose to. You don't have to patronize me with all of the other tracking data that I'm already aware of.

^this is exactly right.
thats what he chose to do.

stay on gb or dont
p3 screwed us or didnt
either way:
its no reason for our little community to change its attitude to crappy or divide....each his own....we can still discuss and help eachother out, just like before.
just have some respect for others thoughts/opinions....
(basically im saying save your b.s. and bring your valid thoughts/opinions)

 

[woodstorm]

Diagnosed with Oppositional Defiance Disorder(yes, it's O.D.D.). I have a feeling that most root users have a touch of it.

 

[WalmartSecurity]

If Verizon really does have a list of people that have a rooted device, why wouldn't I want to be on that list? Anyone? I can remember back in elementary school, all the kids who got sent to the principals office... were the cool kids who didn't give a **** about those rules that all the other sheep followed. Like no chewing gum in class, no passing notes to girls, not cussing, etc...

And the thing about cool kids is, they don't give a frak if they get sent to the principals office. So what? Hell that just proves he's one cool cat if he had to make that walk.

So am I being sent to the principals office now? Aight. Ain't no shame being one of the cool kids. Always have been, and always will be.

I guess this explains your username