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***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

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Travillion said:
Agreed. As I recall, the initial official announcements that cancelled the Oct. 11th event just said they didn't think it was the right time. Then rumors came in that it was out of respect for Mr. Jobs, then Google and Samsung amended their "statements" to confirm those rumors. Now...several days later and still nothing. If they were ready to go, it'd have it rescheduled by now. This is top priority for these companies, they'd make it happen. And if the Hong Kong rumors are true, they'd have announced that by now, too, because they want this out and they want the media to notice. No point in setting a new date and then just sitting on it silently. Something's up, I don't know what it is. But if they don't give me something soon I think I'll have to go with the RAZR, just because my OG Droid can't hang in there forever.
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Ehhh... there's still time. I'm feeling pretty confident the big reveal will be on the 19th. When did the invites for the first event go out? It was only a few days before the 11th if I'm remembering correctly.
 
Very disappointed that it only took me 20 minutes to go through what I've missed since last night. I think we can do better than that. Anyways, here is to an eventful Thursday (hopefully).
 
I also keep hearing from people who say Verizon screwed us over on phones.

Honestly, I don't see a phone released on any other carrier that really peaks my interest, with the very recent exception of the SGSII.

Not trying to start anything, but what phones on other carriers make you wish Verizon had them.
 
Ok, so suppose that Steven's source had an overclocked (for trial purposes) CPU, like some have suggested.

GPU aside, what's the benefit of overclocking from 1.2 GHz to 1.5 GHz? Is it really that much faster, taking into consideration that it will be bloat-free and vanilla?

I'm not a chip-head, I'm just curious.
 
nj02vette said:
Poor R4yn,
Keep the hope alive, but according to Ti's website, 4470 isn't sampling until Q1 2012. Considering that the 4460 didn't sample until Q1 2011 and we are just now (maybe) going to see a device with it, chances are not good.

I wish I could think more positive like you. :)
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OMAP
 
nj02vette said:
I also keep hearing from people who say Verizon screwed us over on phones.

Honestly, I don't see a phone released on any other carrier that really peaks my interest, with the very recent exception of the SGSII.

Not trying to start anything, but what phones on other carriers make you wish Verizon had them.
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Ehh... I feel like all verizon has going for them is the sheer size of the network. And LTE (which is the only thing keeping me from switching to Sprint or ATT). Phone-wise, we get screwed over constantly. Not to mention all the bloatware they love to load our phones up with...
 
HanSolo said:
I think that a lot of people that buy an iPhone, maybe even the majority, are brand-loyal sheep. But there are also a lot of people (including OG owners who are just now coming out of their 2 year contracts) who aren't phone geeks like us and just go after a nice, shiny thing. Back when we got our OG Droids, the iPhone wasn't available on Verizon. Now it is. I think that Verizon and Samsung stand to lose millions to Apple because of those types of people. And there are A LOT of them.
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I don't know... the iPhone has been available in most places, side-by-side with Android devices. The iPhone 4 has been on Verizon for months now. And yet, Android devices are outselling iPhone by over 2:1 at this point.

Sure, there may be some OG Droid or other Android users who switch. I know one person who switched already -- she just didn't like the Droid. And she's married to an iPhone user.

But there are certainly also iPhone users, who aren't happy with the limits of the iPhone offerings, who may jump ship to Android. You can't get a 4G iPhone... particularly limiting if you're on Verizon or Sprint. You can't get a larger screen, or an SD card slot, or even a standard charging plug. You can't get an OLED screen or a true HD screen. You can't get a keyboard, or an HDMI port (yeah, there's a $40 HDMI dongle you can buy, and a $40 SD card dongle).

It's true that Android 2.x may be a bit behind compared to iOS 5 in some areas, but ICS is coming Real Soon Now. Folks are getting all nuts about the idea of the NP here, but ICS could actually be the big news, just as iOS 5 is more than half of what's improving this month, iPhone-wise.

Let's see how the dust settles. Samsung along has been nipping at the heels of Apple... I haven't seen 3Q2011 results yet, but in the second quarter, they trailed Apple by just one million units... 20M vs. 19M. One million are a lot of units, but Samsung was practically invisible in 2Q2010. And that's just one Android phone vendor.
 
iSyntac said:
Ehh... I feel like all verizon has going for them is the sheer size of the network. And LTE (which is the only thing keeping me from switching to Sprint or ATT). Phone-wise, we get screwed over constantly. Not to mention all the bloatware they love to load our phones up with...
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You didn't answer the question, though. What phones specifically would you have wanted to see on VZW?
 
HanSolo said:
Ok, so suppose that Steven's source had an overclocked (for trial purposes) CPU, like some have suggested.

GPU aside, what's the benefit of overclocking from 1.2 GHz to 1.5 GHz? Is it really that much faster, taking into consideration that it will be bloat-free and vanilla?

I'm not a chip-head, I'm just curious.
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I can't believe it's that much better. I think it has a lot more to do with software enhancements. Look at the iPhone...that thing is clocked way lower than any of these new Android handsets with dual core whatever chips. Obviously it has its issues, but it runs rather smooth most of the time. I rarely have qualms with my Bionic (and until the last month of Droid ownership, it), so I'm doubtful 1.2-1.5 really makes much of a difference (assuming it's the same basis for the chip).
 
The_Chief said:
I guess I just don't understand WHY we need a brand new thread to duplicate the same thing we've been doing here since August 23rd and 7500+ posts... it's hard enough to keep THIS thread refreshed, let alone TWO! :(
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I agree, but who am I to challenge the powers that be?
 
hazydave said:
I don't know... the iPhone has been available in most places, side-by-side with Android devices. The iPhone 4 has been on Verizon for months now. And yet, Android devices are outselling iPhone by over 2:1 at this point.

Sure, there may be some OG Droid or other Android users who switch. I know one person who switched already -- she just didn't like the Droid. And she's married to an iPhone user.

But there are certainly also iPhone users, who aren't happy with the limits of the iPhone offerings, who may jump ship to Android. You can't get a 4G iPhone... particularly limiting if you're on Verizon or Sprint. You can't get a larger screen, or an SD card slot, or even a standard charging plug. You can't get an OLED screen or a true HD screen. You can't get a keyboard, or an HDMI port (yeah, there's a $40 HDMI dongle you can buy, and a $40 SD card dongle).

It's true that Android 2.x may be a bit behind compared to iOS 5 in some areas, but ICS is coming Real Soon Now. Folks are getting all nuts about the idea of the NP here, but ICS could actually be the big news, just as iOS 5 is more than half of what's improving this month, iPhone-wise.

Let's see how the dust settles. Samsung along has been nipping at the heels of Apple... I haven't seen 3Q2011 results yet, but in the second quarter, they trailed Apple by just one million units... 20M vs. 19M. One million are a lot of units, but Samsung was practically invisible in 2Q2010. And that's just one Android phone vendor.
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Great points!

Although I believe that Android outselling Apple, to some degree, has more to do with a variety of choices in different phones over one centralized choice in the iPhone. I don't know the figures, but has there been 1 specific Android phone that has come close to outselling the iPhone? Possibly the SGSII, but I'm not sure. But to me, it's like shopping at one stand that has only 1 type of fruit vs. a stand that has 50 different types. Yeah, you'll get more traffic at the stand that has more variety, but it's not a true test over which particular specific fruit is the most popular.

But that's kind of a different topic. My concern is that there might be a lot of people who don't check out the forums or tech sites like we do, and just go to the Verizon store when they've been notified that they're eligible for an upgrade, and see what they like. That's what me and my wife did when we got our first smart phones, and our first choice was the Eris! Why? Because we liked the way it looked and it was cheaper than the OG Droid. Specs, obviously, had nothing to do with it. I'm sure there are many, many people like that who will simply walk in, see the shiny new iPhone, and will never know that they just missed the best device by a small margin of time. I just wish Samsung would have made more of a push to get this out before or at the same time as the iPhone 4S.

As far as the lack of features in Apple (SD card, charger, etc.): My opinion (and it is VERY limited, of course) is that the friends I have who are iPhone geeks have no problem spending money. They aren't snobs, per se, but that's the typical image of an iPhone user. Most of them don't care about plunking down an extra $40. And I gotta say, it's not wasted money. My wife just got that SD card adapter for her iPad 2, and the thing works like a charm. You plug it in, (it's a small device), and it automatically asks you whether you want to import all the photos on the card or select some. Once you do, which took about 7 seconds for almost 200 pictures, it asks you if you want to delete them from the card or keep them on. It's VERY easy to use, and it organizes them by date or album automatically in the iPad.

Apple makes some good products, regardless of non-removable batteries, lack of 4G, or no SD card slot. What they do works wonderfully. Android? Not so much. They need to step it up and start releasing great products on a consistent basis.

I think the Prime will be very comparable to the ease of use, etc. that iPhone offers. I just think that Samsung missed a golden opportunity.

But in the end, who cares. It's not my money they're losing. :p
 
dreadnatty08 said:
I can't believe it's that much better. I think it has a lot more to do with software enhancements. Look at the iPhone...that thing is clocked way lower than any of these new Android handsets with dual core whatever chips. Obviously it has its issues, but it runs rather smooth most of the time. I rarely have qualms with my Bionic (and until the last month of Droid ownership, it), so I'm doubtful 1.2-1.5 really makes much of a difference (assuming it's the same basis for the chip).
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Agreed. I think the primary reason why the iPhone is so smooth would be iOS. Apple doesn't need a 1.5GHz next gen processor in the iPhone as their mobile os run's beautifully on models with a much lower spec.
 
The_Chief said:
I guess I just don't understand WHY we need a brand new thread to duplicate the same thing we've been doing here since August 23rd and 7500+ posts... it's hard enough to keep THIS thread refreshed, let alone TWO! :(
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zanoodi said:
I agree, but who am I to challenge the powers that be?
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Don't worry guys, experiment is over. Steven just informed us that it's not allowed on the Prime forums, so it will either be moved to the "lounge" forum or deleted.

No worries! :)

Edit: Never mind, I guess it's staying.

I think the advantage is that we can go off-topic as much as we want without our posts getting deleted.

Edit 2: Nope, it moved.

No worries! :)
 
HanSolo said:
Ok, so suppose that Steven's source had an overclocked (for trial purposes) CPU, like some have suggested.

GPU aside, what's the benefit of overclocking from 1.2 GHz to 1.5 GHz? Is it really that much faster, taking into consideration that it will be bloat-free and vanilla?

I'm not a chip-head, I'm just curious.
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It's a 25% speed increase for cpu-intensive tasks (read: the entire operating system stack) and while that's big, I expect any advantages of overclocking to be debated throughout the life of the phone - if other phone forums here are any indication and I think they are.

In the end, all you really care about is the phone running faster than you - in other words, performing tasks in a way such that when the new and shiny wears off, you're happy and don't ever notice any lagging or hiccups.

Because that inflection point varies for each user, there's not an absolute case that can be made on this.

My 3vo came in at 1.2, most cannot see why us propellerheads are overclocking such a fast beast, I'm at 1.5 and my brethren at 1.8 can't see why I run so slowly.

It's about how you use it and what you want to get out of it.
 
EarlyMon said:
There are datasheets and there's reality. The Qualcomm 8x60 datasheet makes no mention of 1.2 GHz, but there's a quite a few Sensation and Evo 3D owners running that at stock, as shipped.

Someone was making a habit of posting all the info from TI, Samsung and Qualcomm's sites, and lots of others picked up the practice not too long ago. Today the data online for the general public shows just a general impression of things. One maker actually regressed their online by a few years because they weren't too happy with that info going to the general public - it was intended as supply-chain information only.

So. Will the 4460, if sold at 1.2, run just fine at 1.5 GHz. Highly probable. If sold at 1.2, can it necessarily be clocked above 1.5? Don't count on it - if there were yield issues in manufacturing, they could have practiced the time-honored tradition of binning.

But I'll still maintain that overclocking is in the realm of us rooters, and we are not in the majority here - not even close - so theory doesn't count for anyone except our subset of the group.

And I'll stick to my guns per my previous reasons - it'll run at 1.5 GHz out of the box, stock.
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Strongly disagree here. Datasheets are vital communication from your suppliers as to how a part will work. If the datasheet says 1.5GHz, it will work at 1.5GHz (as long as all design criterea are met). The data available from Ti doesn't just show "a general impression of things", it shows everything I'd need to design that SoC into a product. Not only the datasheets, but I can get the app notes, design guides, order development kits, etc.

It may work at 1.8GHz, but they won't support it in that configuration. Can it be underclocked? Absolutely.

When chips are binned, you don't sell them as the same model number. You give them a different designation. They'd sell these as OMAP 4445, or something, not call it a OMAP 4460.

For example, you don't buy a Core i7-2600k and expect to to run any different than it's datasheet specifies. It may run better, but it can't run worse or it's defective. Chips that don't meet that spec may be sold as a Core i5-2500 or something else.

There are plenty of vendors that don't post datasheets online, and you either have to register (so they know where the info is going) or you have to make direct contact. That's common as well, but typically for more complex assemblies, not component parts.
 
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