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***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

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Agreed. I think the primary reason why the iPhone is so smooth would be iOS. Apple doesn't need a 1.5GHz next gen processor in the iPhone as their mobile os run's beautifully on models with a much lower spec.


Another great point. I'm all for open-source, but I did agree with Steve Jobs when he kept talking about how Android was too fragmented. It is. The reasons our phones don't work as well as the iPhone is because we're all running on different specs with different versions of the same OS. Add the UI garbage like Motoblur, Sense, Touchwiz, etc., and it's not a wonder a lot of us deal with freeze-ups, lags, and random reboots on a far more frequent basis than Apple users. My wife has never had a freeze up or a reboot on her iPhone, and I've had about 2 freezes per day, at least.
 
Thus spake Modathrustra -

Moved and welcome to the Lounge!

i was wondering how this thread was going to be any different than the one we already had

Well, for one thing, this can survive the release of the Nexus Prime and last as long as there are Primelings that want to clown and pal around.

The other thread will hit the lock when the phone is out, and that won't be long from now.

Putting your best chuckles here will give them a place to survive. ;) :)
 
Ok, so suppose that Steven's source had an overclocked (for trial purposes) CPU, like some have suggested.

GPU aside, what's the benefit of overclocking from 1.2 GHz to 1.5 GHz? Is it really that much faster, taking into consideration that it will be bloat-free and vanilla?

I'm not a chip-head, I'm just curious.

Underclocking also has a serious consequence. Since this is a System on Chip (and I'll spare the all the architecture stuff), there is basically only one clock. All internal clocks are derrived from the main one. You can't change individual (CPU, GPU) clocks independantly, they are tied together.

So decreasing from 1.5GHz to 1.2GHz CPU, also brings the GPU down from 384MHz, to 307MHz.

Edit: It may be possible to have an indendant clock for the GPU, but previous designs didn't do it this way. I'd have to go over the datasheet to verify.
 
The combination of a pure version of ICS plus the rumored 1.5GHz processor leads me to believe that this phone will run plenty fast, at least for me anyways. All I'm looking for a is a lag free experience when it comes to performing the more basic of tasks. I don't want a delay when I'm scrolling through my apps. I want the browser to launch instantly. Etc... Will I care that the androids most graphically demanding games don't run at a perfect 60fps? Not really... Now if Papi Jump is getting choked up... well I'd be a little dissappointed. :)
 
Thanks for the input, guys. I, too, am simply looking for a device that won't ever lag or freeze. GPU isn't too important to me, because I'm not into phone-gaming.

Now, where the heck are those FCC docs?

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Strongly disagree here. Datasheets are vital communication from your suppliers as to how a part will work. If the datasheet says 1.5GHz, it will work at 1.5GHz (as long as all design criterea are met). The data available from Ti doesn't just show "a general impression of things", it shows everything I'd need to design that SoC into a product. Not only the datasheets, but I can get the app notes, design guides, order development kits, etc.

It may work at 1.8GHz, but they won't support it in that configuration. Can it be underclocked? Absolutely.

When chips are binned, you don't sell them as the same model number. You give them a different designation. They'd sell these as OMAP 4445, or something, not call it a OMAP 4460.

For example, you don't buy a Core i7-2600k and expect to to run any different than it's datasheet specifies. It may run better, but it can't run worse or it's defective. Chips that don't meet that spec may be sold as a Core i5-2500 or something else.

There are plenty of vendors that don't post datasheets online, and you either have to register (so they know where the info is going) or you have to make direct contact. That's common as well, but typically for more complex assemblies, not component parts.

Noted in bold.

And we know that the chips in phones aren't marked with part-number suffixes or other markings for binning, how? And that these wouldn't be, how?

And I think you'll find you'll need an NDA to deal with the any of major suppliers for full info, so far as I know.

You may work in the industry as well as I and in such a case we can discuss any nuances of this via PM to save other wading past a tangential discussion of how the supply chain works for this. I could be wrong, I often am.

In any case - I don't think it's about the datasheet, and I think it'll ship at 1.5 anyway.
 
Another great point. I'm all for open-source, but I did agree with Steve Jobs when he kept talking about how Android was too fragmented. It is. The reasons our phones don't work as well as the iPhone is because we're all running on different specs with different versions of the same OS. Add the UI garbage like Motoblur, Sense, Touchwiz, etc., and it's not a wonder a lot of us deal with freeze-ups, lags, and random reboots on a far more frequent basis than Apple users. My wife has never had a freeze up or a reboot on her iPhone, and I've had about 2 freezes per day, at least.

I agree to it all and the comment you quoted on. But their A5 chip had a lot to do with it as well. The new feature they have require a powerful chip. The OS itself is clean as can be. And if you think about it, Apples devices aren't really under specked. The A5 chip is something serious as a dual core chip. The Res on their smaller screen yes, is still higher then qHD. Their camera technology is better and now its even better at 8 megs. They've updated their OS with new features that it should been had, but now they have it. They kind of do what others do but advance on it some. Like Siri. That thing can have a logical conversation. Its not fixed to certain commands. I mean you can say silly shit & it responds with a logical answer. Only thing they didn't change was the physical design. People assume it's the same right away. If they would of changed that and screen size then it would of been a God phone in iPhone users eyes. Still overhyped but you have to give them credit.

If Google would market the Nexus right and did a one phone for Android then they would get the respect they deserve. To a lot of common consumers, Android is all the same. They don't realize with a Nexus phone you receive your updates first like Apple. You can always be on the latest thing. Even your previous Nexus will be supported like tthe older iphones. The only other Android phone that has amazing quality performance and iisn't stock is the Galaxy line in my opinion. No other phone sales like them. They actually give Apple heat & sales competition. Just my opinion guys. Might be why Google has them making the next Nexus. Their innovative and raise the bar.
 
This is supposed to be the prime time for posts and leaks and nothing so far?? This kinda sucks..


Don't worry. This is just the calm before the storm.

This time next week you'll be up to your chimp eyeballs in specs, release date info, pictures, and video.
 
Noted in bold.

And you know that the chips in phones aren't marked with part-number suffixes or other markings for binning, how? And that these wouldn't be, how?

And I think you'll find you'll need an NDA to deal with the any of major suppliers for full info, so far as I know.

You may work in the industry as well as I and in such a case we can discuss any nuances of this via PM to save other wading past a tangential discussion of how the supply chain works for this. I could be wrong, I often am.

In any case - I don't think it's about the datasheet, and I think it'll ship at 1.5 anyway.

As I stated in another thread, I've got a quote from Ti on the OMAP 4460. There is no sub-model or suffix to contend with. My EE friend talked the the local Ti rep, also confirmed everything. ;)

(No, didn't confirm if it was being used in any other designs)

I'll agree with most of your post for general discussion, but when it comes to components, I think you'll find that very few require NDAs to get most design-in information.

Also note this:
This product is intended for high-volume wireless OEMs and ODMs and is not available through distributors. If your company meets this description, please contact your TI sales office
My company meets that description, and we are currently looking at several options for design, so they were willing to talk to us. But the average person can't call Ti up and get info.
 
And nothing's more fun than pointing and laughing at mods, so - here ya go! :) ;) :D

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If Google would market the Nexus right and did a one phone for Android then they would get the respect they deserve. To a lot of common consumers, Android is all the same. They don't realize with a Nexus phone you receive your updates first like Apple. You can always be on the latest thing. Even your previous Nexus will be supported like tthe older iphones. The only other Android phone that has amazing quality performance and iisn't stock is the Galaxy line in my opinion. No other phone sales like them. They actually give Apple heat & sales competition. Just my opinion guys. Might be why Google has them making the next Nexus. Their innovative and raise the bar.

AMEN! The stronger the Android brand is, the more support we will see for it and the better our experiences will be.
 
As I stated in another thread, I've got a quote from Ti on the OMAP 4460. There is no sub-model or suffix to contend with. My EE friend talked the the local Ti rep, also confirmed everything. ;)

Well, that's a pretty good source.


I'll agree with most of your post for general discussion, but when it comes to components, I think you'll find that very few require NDAs to get most design-in information.
Ok.

My company meets that description, and we are currently looking at several options for design, so they were willing to talk to us. But the average person can't call Ti up and get info.
That's my understanding as well.

TI has always been a force to content with, they have a history of great stuff. Probably they have great people working there and that's why. :)
 
Since supposedly they are supposed to announce the NP on the 19th/18th. Wouldn't we expect to see invitations today? Anything after today would make me think those dates may be wrong.

Opinions anyone?

Edit: just trying to get this thread jumpstarted. You guys are boring me :)
 
So is anyone the least bit concerned that we're halfway through October and the Verizon version of this phone has apparently NOT gone through the FCC yet?
 
Since supposedly they are supposed to announce the NP on the 19th/18th. Wouldn't we expect to see invitations today? Anything after today would make me think those dates may be wrong.

Opinions anyone?

Maybe the "Something BIG Is Coming" is referring to a teleportation device within the Nexus Prime. If you're invited, you'll receive a UPS package with the phone the day of the announcement and just hit send :)

Otherwise...I don't know how many people will be able to make travel arrangements to Hong Kong.
 
So is anyone the least bit concerned that we're halfway through October and the Verizon version of this phone has apparently NOT gone through the FCC yet?
It may have gone though the FCC, but it is not for the public to see.
Just like Area 51, its top secret.;)
 
I love that we have such knowledgeable people in here to comment on processor architecture and the like. I'm a Computer Engineer, but never got fully into system architecture like your fields so this is awesome to see the comments and your point of vie on this whole topic.
 
So is anyone the least bit concerned that we're halfway through October and the Verizon version of this phone has apparently NOT gone through the FCC yet?

I'm not.

We've seen a number of cases this year when it's gone from FCC to the streets in a very short time frame. Plus, we only see what gets put on their web for public consumption.

In 2010 and before it was perfectly normal to have a full month or more from FCC statements/blog stories to orders/shipping.

That does still happen, but that expectation is over, things have moved much more quickly this year.
 
Maybe the "Something BIG Is Coming" is referring to a teleportation device within the Nexus Prime. If you're invited, you'll receive a UPS package with the phone the day of the announcement and just hit send :)

Otherwise...I don't know how many people will be able to make travel arrangements to Hong Kong.

As long as the battery doesn't crap out on me halfway through and I end up in two different places :D
 
Guys, we're slowing down, I think...
Nothing new for a bunch of hours... Hmm..

If Samsung Unpacked is going to happen 19th, and it is less than one week of time to this day, Sammy should send invitations to journalists, and nothing happens...
What do you think?
 
Guys, we're slowing down, I think...
Nothing new for a bunch of hours... Hmm..

If Samsung Unpacked is going to happen 19th, and it is less than one week of time to this day, Sammy should send invitations to journalists, and nothing happens...
What do you think?

One thing I like about apple. Once they announce something they don't piss off the consumer with the delaying bs
 
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