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***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

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nbajam said:
My question would have to be (assuming 'this' is the Wallet/Isis thing): How did VZW not know? How did they not know NFC would be on the device and that it would include Google Wallet? How did they find out 4 days before the device is going to be unveiled? That doesn't make much sense to me.
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That is the million dollar question.
 
nbajam said:
My question would have to be (assuming 'this' is the Wallet/Isis thing): How did VZW not know? How did they not know NFC would be on the device and that it would include Google Wallet? How did they find out 4 days before the device is going to be unveiled? That doesn't make much sense to me.
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I'd like to know that too! Even if they weren't told, how could they not have known, given what's been publicly disclosed?

Androidcurious said:
Can someone enlighten me as to why anyone is making any definitive declarations in regards to contracts and how much money is at stake? Do we have access to these agreements?
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Oh sorry, my bad. I don't have any figures whatsoever on either costs or units manufactured (and Vette pointed out more realistic unit prices). I just wanted to get the ball rolling with some rough numbers so we could see what made sense. Also I don't have any idea what contract breaking penalties would be.

Please anybody feel free to suggest what real numbers could be!
 
If Moto's phone is released with an Unlocked bootloader, I may bite (I love Moto hardware) but I'm not going to take a locked bootloader AND no Nexus. Remember that your phone is only as good as it's dev community. No dev community = non-starter even if it means leaving Vzw. TMo has been looking very attractive to me for a while.
 
nbajam said:
My question would have to be (assuming 'this' is the Wallet/Isis thing): How did VZW not know? How did they not know NFC would be on the device and that it would include Google Wallet? How did they find out 4 days before the device is going to be unveiled? That doesn't make much sense to me.
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EXCELLENT question. I was saying a couple days ago maybe the device failed final testing and that's why CTIA was cancelled. I think it was Stevens source that said that Google/Samsung were prepping the announcement (obviously) and were going to sync up with Verizons announcement as well (somebody correct me if i'm wrong)

Perhaps it failed due to them finding Google Wallet on the final software build on the handset.

No idea but you pose an excellent question
 
mongstradamus said:
where does this leave the gsm version of the phone is there an possibility of it still being released in hk or is that nixed as well?
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I think that the GSM version being announced in HK is the only definite we have right now. You’re good, don’t worry.
 
I despise NFC payments. Horrible horrible horrible idea. How in the world is this any easier then just taking a damn card out and swiping it. Lazy lazy people I swear. I wonder what they will charge merchants to be able to accept NFC payments. Just another method to steal money without providing a real service while invading our privacy by selling our recorded spending habbits to the highest bidder.

This debacle with Verizon wanting to get in on the theivery causing them to butt heads with google is only flaming my hatrid for the technology!
 
mongstradamus said:
well I feel bad for you vzw guys getting yanked around like this. If things go terribly wrong is there an possibility vzw us exclusive goes out the window and it may be released for mobile or att
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No one is going to have the answer to that. So many people asking questions that people here aren't qualified to answer. There are also a ton of people trying to play lawyer and speak to contracts they have no clue about. Unless you've seen the contract between google/samsung/vzw you aren't qualified to comment on what is binding and what isn't.
 
tbrindisi said:
I despise NFC payments. Horrible horrible horrible idea. How in the world is this any easier then just taking a damn card out and swiping it. Lazy lazy people I swear. I wonder what they will charge merchants to be able to accept NFC payments. Just another method to steal money without providing a real service while invading our privacy by selling our recorded spending habbits to the highest bidder.

This debacle with Verizon wanting to get in on the theivery causing them to butt heads with google is only flaming my hatrid for the technology!
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Not to mention it only works if you have a Citi mastercard, right?

Borderline gimmick, until more banks sign up. And I mean a LOT more banks. :rolleyes:
 
GMK83 said:
No one is going to have the answer to that. So many people asking questions that people here aren't qualified to answer. There are also a ton of people trying to play lawyer and speak to contracts they have no clue about. Unless you've seen the contract between google/samsung/vzw you aren't qualified to comment on what is binding and what isn't.
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If we needed expert qualifications to comment in this thread, it'd be mighty quiet. We're just a buncha doofuses curious about when our precious phone's coming out and babbling about it 'cuz we have nothing better to do on a Friday evening or whatever it is now in the EU. :eek:
 
Yes we must remember that 95% of what is said here is pure guesses or educated fluff. But that doesn't mean that we don't value everyone's opinion. It adds to the forum to hear all kinds of scenarios and opinions
 
tbrindisi said:
I despise NFC payments. Horrible horrible horrible idea. How in the world is this any easier then just taking a damn card out and swiping it. Lazy lazy people I swear. I wonder what they will charge merchants to be able to accept NFC payments. Just another method to steal money without providing a real service while invading our privacy by selling our recorded spending habbits to the highest bidder.

This debacle with Verizon wanting to get in on the theivery causing them to butt heads with google is only flaming my hatrid for the technology!
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not to come off as rude or change the subject, but they don't force you to use it. i can see benefits in it. say i forget my wallet or lose my wallet but i have my phone. i can still have a means to buy something that i might need.
 
kastleberg said:
What exactly is it about Google wallet that vzw doesn't like?
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It doesnt make them money. Since they signed on with Isis, they will probably get some type of payment everytime the tech is used. This of course is the fee that is charged to the merchant for being able to offer this payment method. It always boils down to money and greed.
 
dmiller2007 said:
not to come off as rude or change the subject, but they don't force you to use it. i can see benefits in it. say i forget my wallet or lose my wallet but i have my phone. i can still have a means to buy something that i might need.
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couldn't they just not make it available with stock you would have to download seperately or is that still not enough control for vzw
 
BlueBiker said:
'cuz we have nothing better to do on a Friday evening or whatever it is now in the EU. :eek:
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Psh.... speak for yourself. i have sooo many other things i could be doing tonight. really cool things too. i just choose to constantly smash my F5 key on the nexus prime thread..... i always had a feeling this is what family life would be like...
 
dmiller2007 said:
. . . .say i forget my wallet or lose my wallet but i have my phone. i can still have a means to buy something that i might need.
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That would also mean you don't have a drivers' license with you. Which means you are driving illegally. Which means you can be arrested and subject to fines and/or impounding depending on your state or municipality. Which means you are a criminal.

Conclusion: Only criminals use Google Wallet.

Does anyone here really want to associate themselves with such?
 
burntorangefan said:
Blue,

Pointing out here that forecasts are just guesses when faced with a projected , as you put it, $60M loss MINIMUM. There will be other costs associated with cancellation of a contract over and above simply the price of the phones. Look, I'm not trying to be contentious because you're right, there's certainly some level of C/B analysis that would obviously go into any decision here. Having said that, you're talking about a technology that is virtually nonexistent - Google Wallet or NFC - in the United States. Not to say it won't take off, but you never know. The decision, if there's one being made, is ACTUAL costs vs PROJECTED gains. Future, forecasted gains...Just sayin...
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And you're talking about $60M that Verizon wouldn't bring back in at their subsidized price. Backing out of the contract would likely mean an obligation to buy the phones from Samsung at Samsung's price. More likely you are looking at $120M Verizon will have to pay out with no return what so ever. You're also looking at an estimate of what Isis might bring to Verizon in profit. No one really knows what that number might actually be but they will surely know what exactly Isis would be competing against because the gorilla that is Google will have it's wallet sitting right across to the table from them. They'll also know that Google wallet will make it's way onto their phones whether they like it or not. How many of you are sitting there reading this on a PC with Internet Explorer? Sound like a familar scenario?
 
mongstradamus said:
couldn't they just not make it available with stock you would have to download seperately or is that still not enough control for vzw
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i'm guessing that they want to block it from the market. and google probably thinks thats a bit much. carriers are known to do that stuff.

Edit: I'm at the top of the page that will get comment #9000. ergo, i'm awesome. that is all.
 
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