*Rezound ICS OTA is live Thread*

[Interestingman]

I see that Android Authority is reporting that HTC is committed to working toward getting ICS on their devices:

HTC Avoids Android 4.0 Uprising – Ice Cream Sandwich Coming to Most Devices

I would really like to see the Rezound with ICS soon... maybe that is why is has been delayed? I think black_man_x (Panda) had referenced other phones having ICS coming to verizon... here's to hoping!

 

[jikhead]

No offense guys, but some of you are blind by your own hopes of getting ICS. You should really be looking at it like this:

If you want ICS now or within the next 1 to 3 or 4 mos....then you'll be better off purchasing the Galaxy Nexus.

If you want the Rezound because of Sense 3.5 or for some other reason/feature...and willing to hold off on getting updated to ICS for 6-10 mos....then purchase the Rezound.

I can more than guess/promise you that the Droid RAZR will have ICS on it before the Rezound.

If your thinking is anything outside the realm of these 3 things mentioned, then you're living on a different planet that I know of!!!!

 

[vzwuser76]

No offense guys, but some of you are blind by your own hopes of getting ICS. You should really be looking at it like this:

If you want ICS now or within the next 1 to 3 or 4 mos....then you'll be better off purchasing the Galaxy Nexus.

If you want the Rezound because of Sense 3.5 or for some other reason/feature...and willing to hold off on getting updated to ICS for 6-10 mos....then purchase the Rezound.

I can more than guess/promise you that the Droid RAZR will have ICS on it before the Rezound.

If your thinking is anything outside the realm of these 3 things mentioned, then you're living on a different planet that I know of!!!!

While you may be right, it's not impossible to see the Rezound get ICS before 6-10 months. Look at the Incredible 2. It got GB 2.3.3 three months after it was released. Then it got an update to 2.3.4 a month later. As far as the GB update, the Inc2 and DX2 are the only ones that got GB in less than 6 months after launch.

I think the only thing holding up ICS for the Rezound is HTC trying to decide what parts of Sense they want to incorporate into ICS as some Sense functions that were not available in stock android are available in ICS. They could even forgo Sense, but I'd doubt that. But HTC has overall been the best oem as far as getting updates out.

Of course the G-Nex is the one you want if you want ICS now. Until VZW's Nexus exclusivity ends, it's going to be the only game in town. Moto saying they'll have it on the Razr as soon as they say doesn't mean much to me. They've dropped the ball too many times for me to look at them with anything but skepticism. They also announced unlocked bootloaders last spring for later this year. I haven't seen one yet. HTC so far has been more forthcoming with their plans, and 9 times out of 10 they follow through on those plans.

At this point I may wait until my final NE2 comes due in late December to see which way I want to go. That way I should have a better idea when the Rezound will be upgraded, or know if there are any HTC ICS devices coming as BMX has alluded to.

 

[jikhead]

Again, not to be negative, but you just reaffirmed what I was getting at....that you are hopeful. I'd have to argue some of your points. HTC having a better track record? I don't have any facts but you mentioned about 50% of the HTC phones on Verizon. If this is about the same for other carriers, then I wouldn't say that updating half of your portfolio is good...that should be above 50%. I picked up my DI on launch day and didn't get 2.2 until some time between Sept-Nov. I don't really recall for sure, but thought it was certain I didn't get until after my trip to Europe; but it seems most got it in Sept....that's still 6 mos. from the April launch. And I'm still waiting on GB which PR stated was getting back in April or May....so here we are another 6 mos.

Go play and demo all two or three phones in store before making any decision. If anyone is willing to bet some money on when the Rezound will get ICS (within 3 mos. like you think or higher like me), I'm willing to take that bet!!!

 

[vzwuser76]

Again, not to be negative, but you just reaffirmed what I was getting at....that you are hopeful. I'd have to argue some of your points. HTC having a better track record? I don't have any facts but you mentioned about 50% of the HTC phones on Verizon. If this is about the same for other carriers, then I wouldn't say that updating half of your portfolio is good...that should be above 50%. I picked up my DI on launch day and didn't get 2.2 until some time between Sept-Nov. I don't really recall for sure, but thought it was certain I didn't get until after my trip to Europe; but it seems most got it in Sept....that's still 6 mos. from the April launch. And I'm still waiting on GB which PR stated was getting back in April or May....so here we are another 6 mos.

Go play and demo all two or three phones in store before making any decision. If anyone is willing to bet some money on when the Rezound will get ICS (within 3 mos. like you think or higher like me), I'm willing to take that bet!!!

First, I looked up the Droid Incredible update to Froyo. It started updating August 27th. I remeber getting it 1-2 weeks after it started rolling out.

Second, the fact that they're even trying to update a phone that is already over 1 year old and well past it's EOL date (which was 3/30/11) says quite a bit.

As far as your bet, when did I say that it would get it in 3 months? I said that the Inc2 got it in that period. Please don't put words in my mouth. I was using that as an analogy to say that HTC can upgrade their phones quickly. I didn't say that it's coming out in 3 months, mark my words.

Let's look at the first OS update for the HTC phones on Verizon.

Droid Eris
Launch date - Nov. 6, 2009
EOL Date - Late May 2010
OS Update - May 12, 2010 (2.1)
firmware update - Mar. 2011

Droid Incredible
Launch Date - April 29, 2010
EOL Date - Mar. 30, 2011
OS Update - August 27, 2010 (2.2), in development (2.3)

Thunderbolt
Launch Date - Mar 17, 2011
EOL Date - unknown
OS Update - in development (2.3)
firmware update - May 12, 2011: July 8, 2011

Droid Incredible 2
Launch Date - April 28, 2011
EOL Date - unknown
OS Update - July 11, 2011 (2.3.3); Sept. 20, 2011 (2.3.4)

Now I didn't have all of the updates for all of the phones ( I know that I missed the fimware updates for the Incredible 1& 2 & probably one or two for the Eris). I didn't include the Merge since I have yet to find a place to get one on Verizon (for a family member). But looking at that I wouldn't say they're doing to badly. Each phone has either received or is still scheduled for at least one major OS update. The fact that the Eris got a firmware update almost a year after it's EOL is a good thing.

 

[TxGoat]

But HTC has overall been the best oem as far as getting updates out.

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/429355-anymore-updates.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/423394-bolt-just-did-restart-post-gb-update.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/428601-bluetooth-issues-w-gb.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/425216-ringtones-not-syncd-since-gb-update.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/424895-pore-battery-life-after-gb-update.html ("pore" guy can't spell it right)

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/421528-touch-vibrate-input-not-working-after-gb-update.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunde...-done-gb-update-screwed-my-phone-up-more.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/426022-complete-loss-data-since-gb-update.html

 

[vzwuser76]

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/429355-anymore-updates.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/423394-bolt-just-did-restart-post-gb-update.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/428601-bluetooth-issues-w-gb.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/425216-ringtones-not-syncd-since-gb-update.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/424895-pore-battery-life-after-gb-update.html ("pore" guy can't spell it right)

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/421528-touch-vibrate-input-not-working-after-gb-update.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunde...-done-gb-update-screwed-my-phone-up-more.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/426022-complete-loss-data-since-gb-update.html

All right, you guys have convinced me, HTC's shit. They're horrible at updates. Everything that comes after the Thunderbolt will be just as problematic. There, happy?

I notice you're latching onto the Thunderbolt. I get you had issues with it, but there are options you know. From what I've read, those who rooted are doing good with it. You can get a replacement, and if that doesn't help get another. After so many replacements they should give you the option to go to another phone in the same class. Or your can sell it and get one either used or at full retail.

BTW, I just saw this last weak that a new RUU is available for the Tbolt, rooted or not. Maybe check and see if it's worth upgrading to. They have repeated that they are still trying to get it running better. How many phones have Moto and Samsung just abandoned with no explanation?

HTC has it's share of problems, just like they all do (even apple). But for me they have been great. Other than swapping out the Tbolt, the biggest issue I have had with them is having to do a factory reset after the froyo update. I'm done with this argument. No matter what it's obvious we are not going to change our positions. To keep trying is an excersize in futility. Have a nice day

BTW, wtf up with that pic?

 

[TxGoat]

All right, you guys have convinced me, HTC's shit. They're horrible at updates. Everything that comes after the Thunderbolt will be just as problematic. There, happy?

I notice you're latching onto the Thunderbolt. I get you had issues with it, but there are options you know. From what I've read, those who rooted are doing good with it. You can get a replacement, and if that doesn't help get another. After so many replacements they should give you the option to go to another phone in the same class. Or your can sell it and get one either used or at full retail.

BTW, I just saw this last weak that a new RUU is available for the Tbolt, rooted or not. Maybe check and see if it's worth upgrading to. They have repeated that they are still trying to get it running better. How many phones have Moto and Samsung just abandoned with no explanation?

HTC has it's share of problems, just like they all do (even apple). But for me they have been great. Other than swapping out the Tbolt, the biggest issue I have had with them is having to do a factory reset after the froyo update. I'm done with this argument. No matter what it's obvious we are not going to change our positions. To keep trying is an excersize in futility. Have a nice day

BTW, wtf up with that pic?

I'm not saying the phone nor HTC is complete garbage, but it's also not the end-all of phones. You yourself said that you turned in your TB after all the reboots. Before this phone I had a Touch Pro 2 and that phone had problems but I'll chalk most of those up to the crappy Winmo. The USB connection on the phone did start to go out too though which is hardware thus an HTC quality issue IMO. I'm actually hopeful that HTC gets its act together with regards to the Rezound. If not this will probably be my last HTC phone even if it means I go to a phone that's not rootable.


Oh and the pic is a take on the "lol wut" with a Gadafi take to it...I think...

 

[vzwuser76]

I'm not saying the phone nor HTC is complete garbage, but it's also not the end-all of phones. You yourself said that you turned in your TB after all the reboots. Before this phone I had a Touch Pro 2 and that phone had problems but I'll chalk most of those up to the crappy Winmo. The USB connection on the phone did start to go out too though which is hardware thus an HTC quality issue IMO. I'm actually hopeful that HTC gets its act together with regards to the Rezound. If not this will probably be my last HTC phone even if it means I go to a phone that's not rootable.


Oh and the pic is a take on the "lol wut" with a Gadafi take to it...I think...

I never said they were the end all of phones, simply that they are better than most at updating and at least trying to resolve issues.

As far as hardware all phones have issues, because 1. No manufacturer uses all in house parts, and 2. 100% quality control is just not possible.

Yes, I did swap from the Tbolt, becuse I don't have LTE coverage, so the main selling point wasn't actually available to me. Plus I figured that it might take awhile to resolve the issues, so I am not saying (nor did I ever say) that HTC doesn't have issues. I just think they are better at at least trying to resolve them, even if they don't resolve every one. I won't dump any company over a single device, but after 2 or 3 that puts them at the bottom of my list.

My reluctance to go with Samsung has to do with family members having their phones and what they went through. On the thread here that asks about what devices we had previously, of the 14 phones that I have owned, 9 were Moto feature, 2 were Nokia feature, and 3 wrere HTC smartphones. You would think I am partial to Moto, and I kinda am. But looking how they changed after the OG Droid, I just don't know of I'd want to go back to them.

Another gripe with Moto is their phone designs. Everyone says HTC rehashes their phones. Look at the Droid series, there isn't a helluva lot of difference between them, and even less with the Droid X series (it's like they took a page from apple there).

I'm not saying HTC is the best in everything, far from it. But for me they have been better than most, and I'm usually not easy to please as far as tech goes.

 

[jamala00]

I just think all these companies (Including Apple) pump these phones out to fast. Then we turn around and continue to purchase them, which continues to give them the right to dump the phones out to the market before they are truly ready and with minimal upgrades in between each one. IMO not even making it worth the upgrade. If ICS is suppose to be the next best thing, why NOT buy the Vigor until it has ICS on it out of the box? Why buy it waiting or hoping to get on upgrade to ICS? If more people followed this model and waited until HTC or who ever made phones with enough features to actually make an upgrade worthwhile, it would force these companies to stop these 9-12 month turn around on half a$$ed upgrades and phones that buttons and things stop working on after 1 year. Just my opinion..

 

[Blackthanos]

I just think all these companies (Including Apple) pump these phones out to fast. Then we turn around and continue to purchase them, which continues to give them the right to dump the phones out to the market before they are truly ready and with minimal upgrades in between each one. IMO not even making it worth the upgrade. If ICS is suppose to be the next best thing, why NOT buy the Vigor until it has ICS on it out of the box? Why buy it waiting or hoping to get on upgrade to ICS? If more people followed this model and waited until HTC or who ever made phones with enough features to actually make an upgrade worthwhile, it would force these companies to stop these 9-12 month turn around on half a$$ed upgrades and phones that buttons and things stop working on after 1 year. Just my opinion..

To dream the impossible dream...lol. I actually sympathize with you but as long as there are people that want...not HAVE to be first with things that will never happen. Why do you think the iphone lines are so long on release day. I will however give apple credit for one thing. They are the closest to what you are talking about than any other company since they basically make one phone a year to 15 months. I doubt that will happen with the other phones because there are way to many manufacturers.

 

[jamala00]

To dream the impossible dream...lol. I actually sympathize with you but as long as there are people that want...not HAVE to be first with things that will never happen. Why do you think the iphone lines are so long on release day. I will however give apple credit for one thing. They are the closest to what you are talking about than any other company since they basically make one phone a year to 15 months. I doubt that will happen with the other phones because there are way to many manufacturers.

I hear ya... and agree with ya... there are always the people that have to have the latest and greatest, even if that means $200-$300 to get a device that truly gives them very minimal updates from the device they are using today. I am a developer for a living and love technology, I just don't love tossing my money away, so some executive can get even richer trying to sell me hype of how some new device is going to yet make my life even better. Apple is the best at this, 3 versions of an iPod (iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad) and yet somehow they convice people they need to have all of them at some rediculous price... Anybody has the right to buy what they want... again.. just my opinion..

 

[hovercraftdriver25]

To dream the impossible dream...lol. I actually sympathize with you but as long as there are people that want...not HAVE to be first with things that will never happen. Why do you think the iphone lines are so long on release day. I will however give apple credit for one thing. They are the closest to what you are talking about than any other company since they basically make one phone a year to 15 months. I doubt that will happen with the other phones because there are way to many manufacturers.

Because, unfortunately, they are all trying to be the one that gets lucky and lays the "golden egg" that dethrones Apple and wins over the I-drone crowd. I loathe Apple, primarily because of their I-tunes proprietary pain-in-the-butt crapola, but they were truly the first and best of the new wave of "smart phones" (non-BB/pda types) and it's hard to unseat that, but all the other manufacturers are pulling out all the stops until they do. That and the fact that they also prey on those same people that aren't loyal to Apple and HAVE/WANT to get the absolute newest gadget on the market, regardless of the quality of the device.

I personally feel that their are a host of phones that are better than the I-phone, but those like me are certainly in the minority.

 

[jamala00]

Because, unfortunately, they are all trying to be the one that gets lucky and lays the "golden egg" that dethrones Apple and wins over the I-drone crowd. I loathe Apple, primarily because of their I-tunes proprietary pain-in-the-butt crapola, but they were truly the first and best of the new wave of "smart phones" (non-BB/pda types) and it's hard to unseat that, but all the other manufacturers are pulling out all the stops until they do. That and the fact that they also prey on those same people that aren't loyal to Apple and HAVE/WANT to get the absolute newest gadget on the market, regardless of the quality of the device.

I personally feel that their are a host of phones that are better than the I-phone, but those like me are certainly in the minority.

Agree 110%.. any phone that does not have to use iTunes is better.. IMO!

 

[vzwuser76]

I just think all these companies (Including Apple) pump these phones out to fast. Then we turn around and continue to purchase them, which continues to give them the right to dump the phones out to the market before they are truly ready and with minimal upgrades in between each one. IMO not even making it worth the upgrade. If ICS is suppose to be the next best thing, why NOT buy the Vigor until it has ICS on it out of the box? Why buy it waiting or hoping to get on upgrade to ICS? If more people followed this model and waited until HTC or who ever made phones with enough features to actually make an upgrade worthwhile, it would force these companies to stop these 9-12 month turn around on half a$$ed upgrades and phones that buttons and things stop working on after 1 year. Just my opinion..

It's no different than with computers. They are constantly adding more and better RAM and processing power, bigger hard drives, more connectivity and entertainment options. But no one says I wish the computer market would stop advancing so fast.

Without this rapid release of new and different phones, we wouldn't have the speed of innovation we have now. And if they waited and offered a whole bunch of features at once, troubleshooting becomes a nightmare. Manufacturers have enough problems launching reliable phones with just a few new major featuers, how bad does it get with ten? By going more incremental, there's less chance of devices launching with huge and numerous issues.

The thing is the carriers seem to be setting themselves up to go opposite of innovation. They have more data required services than ever, but they introduce a tiered data structure. Phones are evolving at a record pace, but they want to lock you into a 2 year plan. I think that part of the reason we saw this boom in growth and advancement is because there were options for users to upgrade more often than 2 years. Now that the only option is 2 year or go off contract, we may see innovation start to slow because of the higher cost to upgrade more frequently. If they have less people to sell to, they'll scale back the amount of phones that are released and in turn, scale back innovation.

 

[vzwuser76]

Agree 110%.. any phone that does not have to use iTunes is better.. IMO!

That's the main reason I don't go apple anymore. Their hardware is fine, but that damn required itunes is a dealbreaker for me. After they tried to make me rebuy all of my video purchases because they couldn't resove an issue where itunes didn't recognize me as the legitimate owner, that was it. No way am I gonna rebuy around $75 worth of video because they can't do more troubleshooting than just sending me links to their support section.

 

[TxGoat]

To dream the impossible dream...lol. I actually sympathize with you but as long as there are people that want...not HAVE to be first with things that will never happen. Why do you think the iphone lines are so long on release day. I will however give apple credit for one thing. They are the closest to what you are talking about than any other company since they basically make one phone a year to 15 months. I doubt that will happen with the other phones because there are way to many manufacturers.

I actually think the iPhone 4S will be shorter lived than the previous iPhones with their next version carrying 4G capabilities (and rumored to have already been engineered). The other thing that Apple does a little better IMO is rolling out updates. I know if I connect an old 3G phone I'll still have an option to update the phone. The one glaring problem that iPhones of the past had was that you had to own a computer and have internet connection to use the phone. Fortunately with the new phones they don't make that a requirement. Lets hope android manufacturers continue with their innovation.

 

[jamala00]

It's no different than with computers. They are constantly adding more and better RAM and processing power, bigger hard drives, more connectivity and entertainment options. But no one says I wish the computer market would stop advancing so fast.

Without this rapid release of new and different phones, we wouldn't have the speed of innovation we have now. And if they waited and offered a whole bunch of features at once, troubleshooting becomes a nightmare. Manufacturers have enough problems launching reliable phones with just a few new major featuers, how bad does it get with ten? By going more incremental, there's less chance of devices launching with huge and numerous issues.

The thing is the carriers seem to be setting themselves up to go opposite of innovation. They have more data required services than ever, but they introduce a tiered data structure. Phones are evolving at a record pace, but they want to lock you into a 2 year plan. I think that part of the reason we saw this boom in growth and advancement is because there were options for users to upgrade more often than 2 years. Now that the only option is 2 year or go off contract, we may see innovation start to slow because of the higher cost to upgrade more frequently. If they have less people to sell to, they'll scale back the amount of phones that are released and in turn, scale back innovation.

Ya... there is a lot of temptation coming out to want to think about upgrading, but I think I might hold on to my trusty old Inc until spring and see what is out in April\May time frame. I think innovation is great and needs to continue. I agree that the phone manufactures and the carriers need to get on the same page. We can

 

[jikhead]

So do you/we think HTC is going to match anywhere near what MOTO plans/says they are going to do with ICS? I doubt it.

Motorola Plans to Bring Ice Cream Sandwich to Devices Just 6 Weeks After Google Releases It - Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog

EDIT: After reading some comments, I'd have to agree that what they are trying to state is that in 6 weeks, they will release a roadmap of what current phones can/will receive the ICS update.

 

[TxGoat]

So do you/we think HTC is going to match anywhere near what MOTO plans/says they are going to do with ICS? I doubt it.

Motorola Plans to Bring Ice Cream Sandwich to Devices Just 6 Weeks After Google Releases It - Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog

EDIT: After reading some comments, I'd have to agree that what they are trying to state is that in 6 weeks, they will release a roadmap of what current phones can/will receive the ICS update.

I know my experience with the Thunderbolt was like that of a Mushroom. Keep you in the dark and feed you some pooo. Typically their stance is "You'll get it when you get it". Hell the TB Gingerbread download came out last month but then was canceled because it caused more problems than it fixed. I think they're trying to roll it out again but there are still some bugs.

 

[Blackthanos]

I think if you took a poll of how many people still use WindowsXP and a 2 year old or older PC you would be pretty surprised. I think a lot of people skipped windows software upgrades like Windows NT, Windows ME, Windows CE, Vista, etc

 

[Blackthanos]

I actually think the iPhone 4S will be shorter lived than the previous iPhones with their next version carrying 4G capabilities (and rumored to have already been engineered). The other thing that Apple does a little better IMO is rolling out updates. I know if I connect an old 3G phone I'll still have an option to update the phone. The one glaring problem that iPhones of the past had was that you had to own a computer and have internet connection to use the phone. Fortunately with the new phones they don't make that a requirement. Lets hope android manufacturers continue with their innovation.

Dude I am not even going to think about the iphone 5 until there is HARD proof of what it will have. This latest fiasco with the iphone 5/4S has seriously left a chocolated cover turd flavor in my mouth so as you can imagine I am pretty much shell shocked just hearing the words "new iphone"..lol. As for the the updates thing I do give credit where it's due and yes they have a very good history when it comes to that. Without stealing any of their thunder I will say that's kind of what I would expect from any company that basically produces one phone. I mean think about it, all your people can concentrate on one device, one source code, one everything. It makes things 1000 times easier/faster. Still a damn good phone though. In truth as good as it is I feel like apples real power is in it's advertising or cult status. People feel like they have to have it. Even if you were to make a phone 6 years ahead of them technology wise you still would have to argue with appleheads who say the iphone is better...I mean it's an iphone. I don't have an "ianything" but their ability to weave a spell on people was so good I was actually going to get the iphone 5. Then I saw the stats for the Vigor and I was very intrigued. When apple finally released the iphone 4S the spell was broken and I felt like I had just awakened from a nightmare..lol. I can't even tell you why i wanted it so badly now. Still I try to look at the bright side of things. If I'd never made the initial choice to get the iphone I would never have started to research smart phones and I wouldn't have learned about all the cool and sometimes even better(for me) phones that are out there.

By the way this isn't a dig at you or the iphone. It's pretty much become my philosophy for all smart phone rumors.

 

[TxGoat]

Dude I am not even going to think about the iphone 5 until there is HARD proof of what it will have. This latest fiasco with the iphone 5/4S has seriously left a chocolated cover turd flavor in my mouth so as you can imagine I am pretty much shell shocked just hearing the words "new iphone"..lol. As for the the updates thing I do give credit where it's due and yes they have a very good history when it comes to that. Without stealing any of their thunder I will say that's kind of what I would expect from any company that basically produces one phone. I mean think about it, all your people can concentrate on one device, one source code, one everything. It makes things 1000 times easier/faster. Still a damn good phone though. In truth as good as it is I feel like apples real power is in it's advertising or cult status. People feel like they have to have it. Even if you were to make a phone 6 years ahead of them technology wise you still would have to argue with appleheads who say the iphone is better...I mean it's an iphone. I don't have an "ianything" but their ability to weave a spell on people was so good I was actually going to get the iphone 5. Then I saw the stats for the Vigor and I was very intrigued. When apple finally released the iphone 4S the spell was broken and I felt like I had just awakened from a nightmare..lol. I can't even tell you why i wanted it so badly now. Still I try to look at the bright side of things. If I'd never made the initial choice to get the iphone I would never have started to research smart phones and I wouldn't have learned about all the cool and sometimes even better(for me) phones that are out there.

I don't mind giving the iPhone credit either. What I think is funny are the people that are so anti Apple and iPhone because of the cult-like market they've created that they themselves display cult like behavior with their fanboism of all things not Apple. When you think about it their anti-apple sentiment is pretty much the same as the Apple cult but in the other direction. It reminds me of some people that I know that are so anti-establishment with the style of clothes they wear that they're taking it to such an extreme that it plays right into the establishment's hands. They create an "Anti-establishment" line of clothing and everyone flocks to be anti-establishment.......like everyone else.

I don't think there's a single product out there that will ever fester such a deep hatred although having gone into many Apple stores if any product were to reach those heights, Apple brings a strong case. The whole idea of people just like hanging out at the Apple store as if they're hanging out at a club to be seen is kind of disturbing to me. I'm reminded of that Youtube video of a group of people forming a line at the Apple store and a bunch of people getting in line behind them just because they figure they must get in line at the Apple store because there must be something going down.

 

[TxGoat]

By the way this isn't a dig at you or the iphone. It's pretty much become my philosophy for all smart phone rumors.

lol, the only 2 times I've had an iPhone were 1 time when I bought one because I supported them and thus needed to learn about them, and the job I'm in now they want me to be accessible to them via cell phone so they issued me an iPhone. As far as a personal phone the only reason I'd consider going back to an iPhone is because I'm getting a little sick of battery life that won't last me a whole day. I still hate that the iPhone is so locked down with iTunes telling me and app developers what we can and can't have and the fact that you can't play flash content so I doubt I'll ever go back unless android one day turns me off so completely that I'm forced to consider the offerings from Apple.

 

[Blackthanos]

What is it with apple and flash anyway? I mean love or hate MS how can you continually put out a smart phone with no flash support. My girlfriend had a run in with itunes just last month now that I think about it. She bought something on apple tv for her son and her PC had a HD crash. She got it fixed and now some of the stuff she bought will not play anymore. Also she said they changed it to where you can no longer d/l stuff to the device or something. You have to put it on your PC and sync it. Not sure what that's all about but I have a funny feeling it's something to do with apples control issues. I love the fact that androids have so much customization. To me if the price to pay for that is a few more occasional bugs I will pay it. It is kind of a big deal to me. My mind sees it like apple is saying something like, "Hey look we can make it so there is no crime and everything is great. Oh by the way, we did it by getting rid of that pesky free will thing." Freedom of choice who needs it right..lol. But again as I said apple didn't get their rep by putting out a bad product so freedom of choice works both ways.