But the locking of a bootloader is very different than allowing for apps to be disabled. The apps will still be there it isn't like they will be removed so I could see verizon allowing it since most never touch the bloat that is put on anyway so disabling it would still allow them to make money by putting them on the phones. Atleast you would think so.
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But the locking of a bootloader is very different than allowing for apps to be disabled. The apps will still be there it isn't like they will be removed so I could see verizon allowing it since most never touch the bloat that is put on anyway so disabling it would still allow them to make money by putting them on the phones. Atleast you would think so.
Ahh, you're right. I misread the original post.
metasin
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While I prefer more vanilla ROMs myself I disagree with this to a certain degree. To me the definition of "Bloat" is any program/service that use resources that I do not want and cannot control/remove. Therefore if a ROM has extra features that I want then these features are not bloat in my view. Now when strictly talking about those individulas who rip into custom UIs as not a pure experience and then flash a feature filled ROM you are correct in pointing out that hypocrisy.
Site statistics -
In the interests of those quoting forum sizes - we don't have 70,000 members - we have over 700,000 members.
Of that, only about 2k are online and posting right now on this fine Sunday, but 10,000 unregistered lurkers are looking at things over our shoulders.
In about the last 10 days or so, about 55,000 different people have logged in to view or post.
This thread seems to be #1 on the net for the Nexus right now.
In sales, there's a thing called Girard's Law of 250 - for any one person having an opinion or direct experience of something, their words and attitudes track to influencing about 250 people by word of mouth (once averaged, as some of us influence a bit fewer, others a bit more).
To date, Nexus phones haven't sold in large numbers. This model is poised to change that.
Nexus phones have influenced the thinking of many people whether they're consciously aware of it or not. The same can be said of many other Android phones.
Those influences and preferences aren't easily measured, but easily bantered about by every marketing firm involved in even getting near Android.
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At next year's big Apple event, thanks to ICS, they will no longer be able to distort about how many more apps are available for the iPad, and we won't have to moderate as many fights about native vs. compatibility apps for Android tablets. Android apps under ICS will all be scaling (providing devs follow the SDK strictures and they tend to do that).
In two years that will be the norm for Android and the landscape will have changed.
The success of this phone will be driven by the new app regime, period. The arguments about vanilla Android will continue - but truth is, there is no vanilla Android from Google any more, and there won't be vanilla Android unless some dev group goes for it. ICS is not stripped down and can be hardly called vanilla, it has an integrated feature set that the market has shown preference for, evidenced by purchase of either Blur, TW, or Sense Androids.
All of that will be because ICS launched on a HD screen phone first. That will be remembered, along with the new regime in apps.
UI wars will continue, keeping mods (freely) employed everywhere, but the word vanilla will fall by the wayside.
Those are my predictions and speculations.
And some site facts. 
PS - ICS is the first _major_ revision number change for Android phones in two full years (from 2.0 to 4.0).
In the interests of those quoting forum sizes - we don't have 70,000 members - we have over 700,000 members.
Of that, only about 2k are online and posting right now on this fine Sunday, but 10,000 unregistered lurkers are looking at things over our shoulders.
In about the last 10 days or so, about 55,000 different people have logged in to view or post.
This thread seems to be #1 on the net for the Nexus right now.
In sales, there's a thing called Girard's Law of 250 - for any one person having an opinion or direct experience of something, their words and attitudes track to influencing about 250 people by word of mouth (once averaged, as some of us influence a bit fewer, others a bit more).
To date, Nexus phones haven't sold in large numbers. This model is poised to change that.
Nexus phones have influenced the thinking of many people whether they're consciously aware of it or not. The same can be said of many other Android phones.
Those influences and preferences aren't easily measured, but easily bantered about by every marketing firm involved in even getting near Android.
~~~~~~
At next year's big Apple event, thanks to ICS, they will no longer be able to distort about how many more apps are available for the iPad, and we won't have to moderate as many fights about native vs. compatibility apps for Android tablets. Android apps under ICS will all be scaling (providing devs follow the SDK strictures and they tend to do that).
In two years that will be the norm for Android and the landscape will have changed.
The success of this phone will be driven by the new app regime, period. The arguments about vanilla Android will continue - but truth is, there is no vanilla Android from Google any more, and there won't be vanilla Android unless some dev group goes for it. ICS is not stripped down and can be hardly called vanilla, it has an integrated feature set that the market has shown preference for, evidenced by purchase of either Blur, TW, or Sense Androids.
All of that will be because ICS launched on a HD screen phone first. That will be remembered, along with the new regime in apps.
UI wars will continue, keeping mods (freely) employed everywhere, but the word vanilla will fall by the wayside.
Those are my predictions and speculations.
And some site facts. PS - ICS is the first _major_ revision number change for Android phones in two full years (from 2.0 to 4.0).
gadget.guy
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the 27th, then the 3rd, then the 10th, and now the 17. seriously guys, i want this phone, but im getting seriously impacient. and the 17th release is still just rumours and not confirmed. Honestly, im starting to consider just getting the 4s so i dont have to put up with this bullshit from verizon... iv been waiting for a galaxy s 2 -ish phone since january. so annoying
the 27th, then the 3rd, then the 10th, and now the 17. seriously guys, i want this phone, but im getting seriously impacient. and the 17th release is still just rumours and not confirmed. Honestly, im starting to consider just getting the 4s so i dont have to put up with this bullshit from verizon... iv been waiting for a galaxy s 2 -ish phone since january. so annoying
You will regret iti had the 4s and returned it. It's only two weeks relax enjoy the time it will come when it comes no use getting mad.
Mach Droid
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the 27th, then the 3rd, then the 10th, and now the 17. seriously guys, i want this phone, but im getting seriously impacient. and the 17th release is still just rumours and not confirmed. Honestly, im starting to consider just getting the 4s so i dont have to put up with this bullshit from verizon... iv been waiting for a galaxy s 2 -ish phone since january. so annoying
Have patience for a little longer,Its better to wait for exactly what you want instead of settling.
gadget.guy
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i mean, but what if verizon pushes the release even later. i know nothing is certain, but is the 17th the new accepted (and expected) release date. everyone thought it was going to be the 10th, (me included) so what if it just gets delayed again.
the 27th, then the 3rd, then the 10th, and now the 17. seriously guys, i want this phone, but im getting seriously impacient. and the 17th release is still just rumours and not confirmed. Honestly, im starting to consider just getting the 4s so i dont have to put up with this bullshit from verizon... iv been waiting for a galaxy s 2 -ish phone since january. so annoying
i mean, but what if verizon pushes the release even later. i know nothing is certain, but is the 17th the new accepted (and expected) release date. everyone thought it was going to be the 10th, (me included) so what if it just gets delayed again.
You have clearly not settled on the Galaxy Nexus if this is your train of thought. Maybe you should wait until The RAZR, Rezound, and GN are all in store for you to compare side-by-side with the 4S.
For me, it's either this Nexus or I wait for the next Nexus. That's it.
Mach Droid
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i mean, but what if verizon pushes the release even later. i know nothing is certain, but is the 17th the new accepted (and expected) release date. everyone thought it was going to be the 10th, (me included) so what if it just gets delayed again.
What if you buy the Iphone4s and you are not completly happy with it,and the GN comes out a month later...now you have a phone you dont enjoy and the phone you want out in the market,that would annoy me more than the initial waiting.AND I KNOW CAUSE I HAVE BEEN WAITING ALSO!
burntorangefan
Android Enthusiast
My last post on experience with the Bionic. There seem to be a lot of opinions about Touchwiz, Blur and Sense and I wonder how many of those are informed vs those that are anecdotal from what they've heard. At any rate, I found the Bionic to be very fast and Blur to be for the most part completely unobtrusive. The analogy of the aircraft carrier pulling water skiers may be appropriate. I don't know if Blur is dialed back or the dual core makes it FEEL like it, but I didn't find it to be a big deal at all. Knowing the RAZR is faster makes me believe it will have zero problems with it. Funny thing, as others have noted, is that ICS is taking the best parts of the carrier UIs and baking them in...
To Hans, yes, there are ROMs that improve battery life on the T-bolt (any AOSP), but even still the battery life was no comparison to the Bionic's. I could legitimately get a full day with pretty heavy use and even running AOSP on the T-bolt, I can kill it after half a day.
Anyway, hope everyone is having a great Sunday. Hope Steven is staying warm and the rest of the Jersey crew are safe and sound. Just wanted to comment on carrier UIs, battery life and stuff like that. Best wishes all...
To Hans, yes, there are ROMs that improve battery life on the T-bolt (any AOSP), but even still the battery life was no comparison to the Bionic's. I could legitimately get a full day with pretty heavy use and even running AOSP on the T-bolt, I can kill it after half a day.
Anyway, hope everyone is having a great Sunday. Hope Steven is staying warm and the rest of the Jersey crew are safe and sound. Just wanted to comment on carrier UIs, battery life and stuff like that. Best wishes all...
redchilicat
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I am frustrated with waiting too, I had planned to get this phone for my birthday which was on the 23rd.... This is definitely the phone I want so I will keep waiting
and reading all of the forums and news articles I can find in the meantime
Hurry up Verizon before I murder my Droid X!!
and reading all of the forums and news articles I can find in the meantime Hurry up Verizon before I murder my Droid X!!gadget.guy
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good point. haha.
Hmm... A bit of marketing logic... Pre-order of Droid Razr on October 27, ship to date November 10, in hands for 7 days, return period 14 days = people get use to it, less returns... Nexus pre-order release makes more sense on November 14 with shipping right before the big show to relatives and friends on Thanksgiving!! 
Little to no returns on either!
Little to no returns on either!Hmm... A bit of marketing logic... Pre-order of Droid Razr on October 27, ship to date November 10, in hands for 7 days, return period 14 days = people get use to it, less returns... Nexus pre-order release makes more sense on November 14 with shipping right before the big show to relatives and friends on Thanksgiving!!
The razr is supposedly launching sometime this week. Not to mention they start the 14 days when your phone ships so if it ships early this week even if they don't have it in hand it would still count against that. Also they could do preorders the 10th for the nexus since the rezound is supposed to be announced the 3rd and who knows when preorders if they will have any will start.
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HanSolo
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Some "sources" were saying that. Now it is verizon so that could all change.
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HanSolo
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Oh, I see. I'd be shocked if it's in stores before the tenth.
Is November over yet?
Oh yeah, hasn't even started yet...
I could see it being in stores before the 10th if that is when the rezound is going to be launching. WTH does november need to be over for?
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Because when November is over, we should all presumably have our phones!
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HanSolo
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Because when November is over, we should all presumably have our phones!
Read my mind. Plus snowboarding season will be in full swing!
Because when November is over, we should all presumably have our phones!
Should being the keyword.
Trent Reznor
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+1... just waxed the boards this weekend
I'm targeting Breckenridge's opening weekdend (11/12) as my first day on the snow this year
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HanSolo
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+1... just waxed the boards this weekend
Wow. I gotta deal with the fact that I live in the Midwest... Going to Wisconsin with the first heavy snow, then heading to Denver for a week on January! That will be sweet. Three of us guys are leaving the wives in Chicago and getting 7 days of skiing and boarding. Can't wait!
On topic: the sgn's panorama feature will come in handy then!
That is, if we get it by then.
(I wanted to do an eye roll then, but there's no smiley feature in the app!)
Trent Reznor
Android Expert
I get some pretty good shots with my Inc... can't wait for the panorama and 0 shutter lag on the Nexus. I hope to get some really good shots this year!!
Abasin and Loveland are already open and Keystone opens this Friday but there isn't enough rideable terrain to get me to go yet. However, a system is supposed to move through the middle of this week and drop ~12-14.
The Mytracks app is really cool when riding... it tracks your speed (average and max) and also tracks your elevation and path via GPS.
If your coming for a week - I would recommend buying an Epic local pass its good at Keystone, Abasin, Breck, and 10 days at Vail/Beaver Creek. Its about $500 but will be the cheapest way to ride for a week.
BTW... my avatar is the graphic on the topsheet of my board
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