korben dallas
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Nkt do you think your version of 2.1 will be will be the final?
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Eris to v2.x, when?
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Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
It would seem that the only thing we know for certain on the timing of the release of 2.1 is that no one knows for certain the timing of the release.
Ok, that statement there should be the last one made in this thread (besides this one to point that out
).And I'll bet it's been said a few times with slightly different wording earlier on in the thread, and in other threads with the same subject, and in still other threads with other subjects that topic-drifted to this tired subject ad infinitum.
We're all guilty of it, probably because we so eagerly want that update (and of course root for some).
Can the thread be locked or unstickied until real info comes to a moderator or administrator via PM?
No?
Ok. Carry on.
Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
...and that those who do truly know (one would hope that there is someone who really knows) seem to not care about us who don't.
That's an interesting thing to think about.
1. the notion that there are people who "know"
2. that those people are withholding their knowledge from those of us who do not know (the users)
Number 1 may not be exactly true. Sometimes there are people all working together on a project, each with their own specialty in that project that they know about. But they don't know about the other aspects of the project enough to be able to project a release date.
Number 2 would be rendered not relevant if Number 1 is the case with the 2.1 update for our Eris devices.
If, though, there are people, or a person, who knows right when the release is to be made, they may be under company promise or oath to remain silent on the issue until a certain time. I doubt if this is the case as I believe the project is spread out among many developers far flung from one another and that their data needs to be brought together in concert with other factors and then released at a time with as few flaws as is humanly possible.
sic4672
Android Enthusiast
Your logic is true, but I believe your premise is wrong. You assume the knowledge should lie with the developers, but if NKT is testing a release candidate, then the release date is out of the developers' hands. I believe Verizon is the one who knows the scheduled release date but does not want to announce it incase of a major flaw or perhaps a marketing/business decision.
NKT - this is is a (and too many inc me) a very important question...does 2.1 change, improve, replace or otherwise modify the dialer app and or dialer lag?????
Any info would be MOSt appreciated.
Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
Not at all.
I don't think I'm assuming anything. What I'm doing is speculating on the interesting notion that wmple exressed ("those who do truly know seem to not care about us who don't").
The speculations all orbit the central idea that there are those who "know," and those speculations include: developers who are not knowledgeable beyond their specific areas of work in the project, as well as those who, as you point out, could have a target date, or at least range of dates, in mind but who won't/can't share that (yet?) with the public at large.
I don't challenge any of those notions because, like you, I know nothing of Eris software development, marketing or management.
Hey guys! decided to quit lurking in the sewers and join the party in the sunlight--- which appears to be lacking at the moment *sigh*
But anyhoo, Frisco I find it difficult to believe at this late date that Verizon does not at least have a project deadline in place that they could give a reasonable ball park date. I am not suggesting that they come out and say "The holy grail will appear on February 23rd, at 9pm CST" But they could at this point say:
" We have received the update from HTC. Testing is on-going and looking good. Barring any major issues we expect OTA updates to begin in the next two weeks."
No commitment, no set date to have people whine if they miss. Just a reasonable statement of progress toward a goal.
But anyhoo, Frisco I find it difficult to believe at this late date that Verizon does not at least have a project deadline in place that they could give a reasonable ball park date. I am not suggesting that they come out and say "The holy grail will appear on February 23rd, at 9pm CST" But they could at this point say:
" We have received the update from HTC. Testing is on-going and looking good. Barring any major issues we expect OTA updates to begin in the next two weeks."
No commitment, no set date to have people whine if they miss. Just a reasonable statement of progress toward a goal.
Wolfedude88
Android Expert
Yeah I think that would be reasonable, but Verizon just likes us to keep guessing.
sic4672
Android Enthusiast
My misunderstanding. I infered you were specifically speaking towards developers from this line:
"I believe the project is spread out among many developers far flung from one another and that their data needs to be brought together in concert with other factors and then released at a time with as few flaws as is humanly possible."
I thought you meant that once every individual finished his/her portion of the project, that the code would be brought together into one complete build and then realease without considering all of the steps required for software deployment after the integration has been completed. My mistake and I apologize for the misunderstanding.
sic4672
Android Enthusiast
First off, I completely agree and think it would be professional of Verizon to give a status update on testing progress, at least on a facebook/twitter post for the truly dedicated fans.
I think, however, that you underestimate the harshness of the general consumer public who has no understanding of software development and testing. If Verizon came to the table with a range of dates that they felt would be accurate but not set in stone, many consumers would take it as a set date. If that date came and passed without an update, then customers would be furious, and it would be a PR nightmare for Verizon.
The other reason that no annoucements have been made could be because Verizon considers the Eris to be the red headed step child of the android line, and it focuses more on its bigger players (read Motorola Droid and future Nexus One).
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
Hi GoenMo. Glad you stopped lurking and joined us, just don't bring up sunlight (touchy subject)
Technically Verizon has given us a time frame. They said in the beginning that we would see 2.X by the end of the first quarter. Fortunately, that has not changed. There have been rumors of things drifting over into the beginning of quarter 2, but nothing from Verizon on this. You also have to keep in mind that companies don't like to give out real dates even real time frames most of the time. The only thing this ever does is cause problems. I was actually a little surprised that they ever said Q1 and not first half of the year.
As we now know, 2.1 is in the testing phases at VZW right now. To me, this is a good sign. However, for good or for bad, Verizon does have a history of long test periods. I prefer it, but others just want things faster. IMHO, a longer test period means less bugs for us....most of the time.
Technically Verizon has given us a time frame. They said in the beginning that we would see 2.X by the end of the first quarter. Fortunately, that has not changed. There have been rumors of things drifting over into the beginning of quarter 2, but nothing from Verizon on this. You also have to keep in mind that companies don't like to give out real dates even real time frames most of the time. The only thing this ever does is cause problems. I was actually a little surprised that they ever said Q1 and not first half of the year.
As we now know, 2.1 is in the testing phases at VZW right now. To me, this is a good sign. However, for good or for bad, Verizon does have a history of long test periods. I prefer it, but others just want things faster. IMHO, a longer test period means less bugs for us....most of the time.
chassum
Well-Known Member
Wasn't February 22nd one of the prophesied days of deliverance?
That's today!!!
I just checked my Mayan calendar and see that it's actually scheduled for March 5th.
Ty07allstar
Well-Known Member
Wasn't February 22nd one of the prophesied days of deliverance?
That's today!!!
That it was. Also when I went to the Verizon Store about my battery issue the guy told me that the update should fix it and that we should be receiving it sometime next week, which starts today.
Hi GoenMo. Glad you stopped lurking and joined us, just don't bring up sunlight (touchy subject)
Technically Verizon has given us a time frame. They said in the beginning that we would see 2.X by the end of the first quarter. Fortunately, that has not changed. There have been rumors of things drifting over into the beginning of quarter 2, but nothing from Verizon on this. You also have to keep in mind that companies don't like to give out real dates even real time frames most of the time. The only thing this ever does is cause problems. I was actually a little surprised that they ever said Q1 and not first half of the year.
As we now know, 2.1 is in the testing phases at VZW right now. To me, this is a good sign. However, for good or for bad, Verizon does have a history of long test periods. I prefer it, but others just want things faster. IMHO, a longer test period means less bugs for us....most of the time.
Thank you OTD. Nice to be here.
What I have never understood is the need for all this testing to begin with. The OS of the phone has very little to do with the network I would think, beyond the protocols used to connect to it. Any CMDA phone has the protocols built in to connect to the Verizon network, right? HTC has already done the testing during the development stage to determine that 2.1 is stable on the Eris before they sent it to Verizon. They built the phone, and they wrote the ROM for it. They should know if it is stable or not. How does a few new bells and whistles on the UI affect the netowrk? My computer does not need extensive testing by my internet service provider whenever i upgrade the OS. As long as it has a LAN connector or a wireless adapter, it will work. please someone explain what Verizon is testing.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
Anyone who has owned a BlackBerry and loaded pre release/leaked versions of an OS knows about this. People would leak version 4.5.0.130 and it would have problems with the phones radio connecting to 3G. Then they would leak version 4.5.0.158 and the reception would be terrible. Then 4.5.0.168 would fix both of those problems, but now it takes 2 or 3 minutes for the mobile network to reconnect after hanging up a call.
The way that the OS works with the other aspects that HTC has added is one thing. The way that it all functions with the network tends to be completely different. They are testing, at least they should be, for anything and everything that might have problems. These tests should help us avoid problems like we got with the youtube app in the last update.
Edit: Anyone else notice that signatures don't show up now when you quote someone?
V-dub holds the right to remove features Google has included at their discretion. They just can't add proprietorary software that cant be removed. This may have something to do with it.
LittleMissSunshine
Lurker
Hello! I too have finally decided to stop lurking in the shadows and come out to play. It is my understanding now (after reading 26 pages of this thread, and damn do my eyes hurt) that people are now recieving test updates for 2.1, and that the rest of the Eris population should start receiving the actual update itself within the next 2 to 3 weeks?
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm very interested in seeing other's thoughts and feelings about the time frame and the potential that 2.1 has.
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm very interested in seeing other's thoughts and feelings about the time frame and the potential that 2.1 has.
Caddyman
Android Expert
yup, i just loaded the latest hybrid os, .419/.467 (i think) to my wifes storm 1 last night....lol
shaftofpower
Newbie
I think that what most here seem not to understand is that anyone who knows the release date has signed an NDA. It's not that they don't care about you, the Eris forum geek, (though they probably don't) it's that they'd be fired if they came on here and scratched your itch.
98% of Eris owners don't know, care, or understand what 2.1 is. Vzw knows this, and they definitely don't give a shit about phone geeks.
98% of Eris owners don't know, care, or understand what 2.1 is. Vzw knows this, and they definitely don't give a shit about phone geeks.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
I would say up to 5 weeks to be on the safe side. The last thing I heard from anyone I would really trust with a real answer was 2 weeks though.
Good lord how I hated dealing with leaks and hybrids to keep/get my phone running right. I remember having threads this long in almost every forum discussing the pros and cons of each leaked OS version out there. Then the hybrids came and we just doubled the number of threads.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
I don't know if I would go that far. I think that most testers have not been given an exact date and the folks in VZW HQ are really waiting on testers to determine when to drop the OTA for 2.1.