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Apple sues HTC and said mostly because of Nexus One & Moto Droid & HTC Droid Eris

doogald said:
As I said, obviousness becomes clear with hindsight. I seem to recall that, prior to the iPhone, IIRC all smartphones (Windows Mobile, Palm OS, Symbian, etc.) with toucscreens unlocked not with a touch gesture like that, but with some sort of tapped (or typed) passcode or PIN number.

It may be that this particular patent will be invalidated, but neither you nor I appear to have the professional expertise to declare that with any sort of authority. We'll see what happens.

Actually, it will be interesting to see how the Supreme Court rules in the Bilski case. That should be coming in a few months. This may make these sorts of cases far harder to prosecute depending on how the court rules.
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Actually, I have been developing apps for touchscreens in a work environment years before the iPhone came out... this is NOT new, or phone specific. The Production line apps were locked during breaks and unlocked in a very similar manner... it's the easiest most efficient way to solve the unlock problem.
 
mobimop said:
You can add up all of the Android manufactures still behind Apple in sales. I was just pointing out that even the so called "iPhone" killer is severely lagging in sales.
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I'm not sure that's true. Android gained almost 5% market share (through sales) and Apple only gained 1.21% market share. Unless there are 2 million iPhone users who upgraded to the 3GS in 4th quarter 09, then the Android OS outsold the iPhone.
 
i was listening to a good podcast on this (gdgt podcast on google listen) and they made a good point, the one guy said "its very unlikely that HTC agreed to make these phones for goolge without some type of agreement on the software" he mention that they wouldnt just say, you know android is free so you can have it, along with the legal ramification that may come along with it.
so he believes that google will HAVE to step into this lawsuit one way or the other based on the presumed agreement HTC has with google/android.
 
OfTheDamned said:
Verizon is selling HTC devices and has plans to sell the Nexus.
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That latter claim has been put rest and found untrue. Check out the HTC Incredible thread some time, as it's been covered there ad nauseam. Google will have a CDMA version of the N1 available for use on Verizon's Network soon (supposedly), but it's been confirmed that it WILL NOT be available through Verizon - either online or in their stores. Support for it will still come through Google, which is a bassackward strategy as far as most are concerned.
 
Verizon must have backed out of the deal if they're not going to sell the Nexus One.

Verizon was one of the choices when I applied to get my Nexus One a few months ago. T-Mobile was the one that offered the lower price deal. Verizon was on the list but next to a greyed-out check box, with a note that it was forthcoming but not available through Verizon at that time.
 
It will be available for verizon, but like on t mobile, they will just be the carrier, nothing more and nothing less
 
no verizon support no n1 for me.
glad the incredible has an 8mp cam, 1ghz processor (though underclocked) htc sense and noise cancellation. everything i wanted from the n1 and more! :)
man...my last post in the eris forum will be a sad on...for 30 seconds!!! :)
 
byteware said:
I'm not sure that's true. Android gained almost 5% market share (through sales) and Apple only gained 1.21% market share. Unless there are 2 million iPhone users who upgraded to the 3GS in 4th quarter 09, then the Android OS outsold the iPhone.
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You are so way off....

Last quarter results... A 100% year-over-year rise in iPhone sales and a 33% increase in Mac sales also helped drive Apple's results. The company said it sold a record 8.7 million iPhones in the quarter. That's up 17.6% from the 7.4 million it sold in the previous quarter and double what it sold during the same quarter a year ago. Sales were partially boosted by Apple's introduction of the iPhone in China last quarter.

Apple sees 98% iPhone growth as Microsoft, Google prepare for battle

By Neil Hughes
Published: 10:15 AM EST

Worldwide smartphone shipments stormed back last quarter with 37.2 percent in growth, and Apple's iPhone led the way with a 97.9 percent year-over-year surge in shipments. But the real coming battle in the mobile market, according to one analyst, lies between Microsoft and Google.

Analyst Charlie Wolf with Needham & Company provided a breakdown of the expanding smartphone market, which in the holiday quarter rebounded from just 5.6 percent growth over the previous four quarters. While Apple saw the greatest success, Nokia's shipments also jumped 37.3 percent and Research in Motion saw a spike of 41.2 percent.

While the recession has softened and the smartphone market is recovering, Wolf is now looking to the future and the fiercely competitive handset business.

"Events since the beginning of 2010 have turned the market into a land grab not dissimilar to the California gold rush in the 1800s," Wolf wrote. "Everyone is chasing the iPhone which has taken on an aura that far exceeds the phone's market share. The aura stems from the disruptive design and functionality of the first iPhone, and it has been reinforced by the remarkable success of the iPhone App Store."

The analyst said he believes the smartphone market has turned into a "land grab" that is "virtually certain" to lead to a brutal battle between Microsoft and Google. He said Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 Series won't kill the iPhone, which exists in a class by itself, but it will be a potential "Android killer." Windows Phone 7 Series, Wolf said, is evidence that Microsoft "finally gets it."

"Microsoft has delivered on the necessary condition for success -- a smartphone operating system that should enable it to play in the same sandbox with Apple, Google and BlackBerry," he wrote. "We've frequently criticized Microsoft's inept efforts in delivering a user-friendly smartphone operating system. Such criticisms are now in the past."

The real coming smartphone battle, he said, lies between Google's Android mobile operating system and Windows Phone 7. Android has a few advantages, in that it licensees do not have to pay any fees, and it allows manufacturers to differentiate their phones from other Android devices with custom interfaces. But Android also has no presence on the enterprise market, where Microsoft and its entrenched position with Windows will play to the Redmond, Wash., company's advantage.

"A major battle between Microsoft and Google to win the hearts and minds of the smartphone vendors who are building devices for both platforms appears inevitable."

Microsoft is also expected to extend its new Windows Phone 7 mobile operating system to non-phone devices such as the rumored Zune HD2 portable media player. The first phones running Windows Phone 7 Series are expected to arrive by this holiday.

Wolf also spoke of the success BlackBerry has found "out of the limelight," and the struggles faced by Palm despite the company's "superior platform."

"We have little confidence in a material acceleration in Pre sales because Palm simply does not have the financial resources to market its devices at a level comparable to its competitors," he wrote. "But miracles do occur occasionally."
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The problem with articles like these are that they are based on the most fundamental definition of statitistics - "Here's the answer I want. now, go find the data/argument I need to proof my answer true"

Dig around, and you will find at least one article from an "expert" someone claiming their favorite (read "they paid me") device outsold all others by a certain margin.

And, they will all be true!! Problem is, they will be based on data such as "when sold with *** accessorie", or "when sold through **** retailer", or "as sold to persons who prefer mustard on their hot dogs rather than ketchup", etc, etc, ad naseum....
 
MOS95B said:
The problem with articles like these are that they are based on the most fundamental definition of statitistics - "Here's the answer I want. now, go find the data/argument I need to proof my answer true"

Dig around, and you will find at least one article from an "expert" someone claiming their favorite (read "they paid me") device outsold all others by a certain margin.

And, they will all be true!! Problem is, they will be based on data such as "when sold with *** accessorie", or "when sold through **** retailer", or "as sold to persons who prefer mustard on their hot dogs rather than ketchup", etc, etc, ad naseum....
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Ok then read the actual financial results, required per the SEC for a public corporation. Can we say DENIAL.....

Apple Reports First Quarter Results
 
mobimop,

It is true that the iPhone is doing better year over year. However, since the droid came out it is doing worse, quarter over quarter.
 
byteware said:
mobimop,

It is true that the iPhone is doing better year over year. However, since the droid came out it is doing worse, quarter over quarter.
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These are quarterly results, they sold MORE iPhones for the SAME QUARTER last year. So how are they doing worse if they sold MORE? :confused:
 
mobimop said:
These are quarterly results, they sold MORE iPhones for the SAME QUARTER last year. So how are they doing worse if they sold MORE? :confused:
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I think that the point is that the Droid was the first Android phone sold with a massive marketing campaign, and it came out at the start of the last quarter of 2009. According to comscore, Android phones not only had a higher percentage growth quarter over quarter than the iPhone, it appears possible that there were actually more Android phones sold in total during the last quarter than iPhones (though I doubt it.)

We know that Apple sold 4.3 million iPhones in the quarter.

It is difficult to analyze whether this means anything for a single quarter, though, as Apple tends to get huge quarterly sales in the third quarter, as they have historically released new iPhones only once each year, and people tend to get them then. During the third quarter, Apple sold 7.4 million iPhones. It may look at first glance that they lost business quarter over quarter, but they actually gained market share with 3.1 million fewer phones sold.

I think that what the change in share means is that many of those 4.3 million iPhone owners were upgrading iPhones that they already owned, while almost all of the new Android sales were the first Android phones for their buyers.
 
mobimop said:
These are quarterly results, they sold MORE iPhones for the SAME QUARTER last year. So how are they doing worse if they sold MORE? :confused:
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They sold fewer phones in the fourth quarter, than they did in the third quarter.

There was a significant drop in iPhone sales during the fourth quarter, with the release of the Moto Droid, and HTC Droid Eris.
 
doogald said:
I think that the point is that the Droid was the first Android phone sold with a massive marketing campaign, and it came out at the start of the last quarter of 2009. According to comscore, Android phones not only had a higher percentage growth quarter over quarter than the iPhone, it appears possible that there were actually more Android phones sold in total during the last quarter than iPhones (though I doubt it.)

We know that Apple sold 4.3 million iPhones in the quarter.
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It was actually 8.7 million iPhones. I was reading the wrong year's data.

doogald said:
It is difficult to analyze whether this means anything for a single quarter, though, as Apple tends to get huge quarterly sales in the third quarter, as they have historically released new iPhones only once each year, and people tend to get them then. During the third quarter, Apple sold 7.4 million iPhones. It may look at first glance that they lost business quarter over quarter, but they actually gained market share with 3.1 million fewer phones sold.
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Obviously, they gained a small amount of market share while selling 1.3 million more.

doogald said:
I think that what the change in share means is that many of those 4.3 million iPhone owners were upgrading iPhones that they already owned, while almost all of the new Android sales were the first Android phones for their buyers.
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I think that there are still a lot of iPhone buyers in Q4 who upgraded from older models, while I'd guess that far more Android buyers were buying their first Android phones. (There is no data for that, but it does seem pretty feasible, since the iPhone was introduced in 2007 and many users upgrade to new phones after their two year contracts expire, and Android phones have only been around since Q3 2008.)

By the way, iPhone year over year comparison of Q3 to Q4:

Q308: 6.9 million (introduction of iPhone 3G in July)
Q408: 4.4 million (of course, the financial crisis hit this quarter)

Q309: 7.4 million (introduction of 3GS in June)
Q409: 8.7 million

I'm thinking that Apple is probably pleased with that sales growth compared with the prior year, even if it is to existing iPhone customers and led to marginal increases in share.
 
doogald said:
It was actually 8.7 million iPhones. I was reading the wrong year's data.



Obviously, they gained a small amount of market share while selling 1.3 million more.



I think that there are still a lot of iPhone buyers in Q4 who upgraded from older models, while I'd guess that far more Android buyers were buying their first Android phones. (There is no data for that, but it does seem pretty feasible, since the iPhone was introduced in 2007 and many users upgrade to new phones after their two year contracts expire, and Android phones have only been around since Q3 2008.)

By the way, iPhone year over year comparison of Q3 to Q4:

Q308: 6.9 million (introduction of iPhone 3G in July)
Q408: 4.4 million (of course, the financial crisis hit this quarter)

Q309: 7.4 million (introduction of 3GS in June)
Q409: 8.7 million

I'm thinking that Apple is probably pleased with that sales growth compared with the prior year, even if it is to existing iPhone customers and led to marginal increases in share.
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Where are the numbers for Android?
 
Palm are the ones that can destroy Apple, just need to grow a pair. I saw something on engadget or gizmodo on my twitter feed about Google possibly buying Palm (who reported huge Quarterly loses). Now, that would be BAD ASS.
 
W4LLY said:
Palm are the ones that can destroy Apple, just need to grow a pair. I saw something on engadget or gizmodo on my twitter feed about Google possibly buying Palm (who reported huge Quarterly loses). Now, that would be BAD ASS.
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Wow.

Well, that would be marketing cool, for sure.

But as I read Palm Pre reviews, even Palm Pre Plus, there are still a lot of comments about "cheaply built," etc. And other app-related disappointments. And expensive.

Maybe the Google folks would address all that.

I played with the Palm Pre at Best Buy before heading to Verizon to get my Eris. It seemed "toyish" to me.
 
W4LLY said:
Palm are the ones that can destroy Apple, just need to grow a pair. I saw something on engadget or gizmodo on my twitter feed about Google possibly buying Palm (who reported huge Quarterly loses). Now, that would be BAD ASS.
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THAT would be extremely cool. I suddenly have visions of a Web Os/ Android fusion dancing in my head. Would Google gain control of the original patents by Palm if that happened?
 
W4LLY said:
The problem is that if the iPhone is only available on 1 carrier here. If It goes to multiple carries, watch it easily over-take droid. If they are stupid and keep exclusive to AT&T, then yes, Android will ultimately win out since it's on all carriers.
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I disagree even if the Iphone goes to multiple carriers it will still have the same problems it has now. It won't change the fact that Android has a better UI is more open for the user etc.. in all honesty it will just mean people will buy the Iphone realize just how crappy it is and switch to an Android because they will be able to do that then, where as now they would have to switch carriers. Iphone was the first widely used smartphone "yes" but in Apples move to only offer it on AT&T it was smart and stupid! it was smart because if they had made it widespread people would have realized long ago that its not the best smartphone out there and it wouldn't have the "following" it has now and its stupid because they limited themselves for a quick buck and good lord they did a crappy job of picking a carrier!
 
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