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Malaysia Airlines tragedies

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EarlyMon said:
Chinese ship detects 'pulse signal' in search for missing Malaysia Airlines jet, report says | Fox News

"The Australian government agency coordinating the search would not immediately comment on the report."

But did that stop the Crash News Network?

No. No it did not.

"A source at the Australian Defence Force told CNN that it got word of the report around noon Saturday (midnight Friday ET) but had not communicated with the ship in the 10 hours since.

Though other countries' search teams communicate directly with Australian officials by texting, communication with the Chinese searchers goes first to Beijing, which then communicates with officials in Australia, the source said."

In that same story -

'This could be a variety of things," says oceanographer Simon Boxall.'

And -

'CNN aviation analyst David Soucie was less skeptical. "This is a pinger," the airplane accident investigator said. "I've been doing this a lot of years, and I can't think of anything else it could be."'

CNN please don't ever stop just being you -

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How about The Guardian?

"China's Liberation Daily reported that three people on board the ship had heard the signals, which had not been recorded because they came suddenly."

"A reporter for Chinese state television said that the signal was heard for around a minute and a half."

MH370: Chinese patrol ship detects ping near suspected location of plane | World news | theguardian.com

Oh. But wait.

Ok, The Guardian and the Liberation Daily get to share this one -

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You may have heard along the line that the range of human hearing is theoretically 20 to 20 kHz.

The highest pitched noise you've ever really heard outside of a doctor's office is about 8 kHz with a second harmonic at 16 kHz.

Don't be upset because a hypersonic sensor would indicate the ping visually (maybe with an alarm).

Don't be upset that the hypersonic sensor has a RECORD button that's so hard to figure out that three guys together couldn't do it in a minute and a half on what may be the highest-profile search in history.

No no.

Be upset, be very upset because - the Chinese can now hear in the hypersonic range.

Anything else today from The Guardian?

Why yes. Yes there is.

Flight MH370: 'Hunt for black box may be in the wrong area' | World news | The Observer

That's got to be worth another.


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Btw - GPS doesn't work underwater. ;)
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This reminds me of the movie Contact where Jodi Foster's character listens for alien transmissions using headphones. At least for the movie, I understand it was for dramatic effect and I don't have a problem with the artistic licence granted to movie makers. For radio astronomy, the process normally involves recording the signals received and then analysing them later.

For military vessels, I would assume they do have people actively observing the sonar. I would expect that if they are really trying to look for the signal from the recorders, they should have started recording at the time they would be actively listening or at least be able to start recording immediately. I would expect that recording media is not so scarce on these vessels that they have to really converve them.
 
Here the latest story I found: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Ship detects possible black box signals - World - CBC News

Still no confirmation that these are indeed from the recorders.

Still, Houston cautioned that it was too early to say the transmissions were coming from the missing jet.
"I would want more confirmation before we say this is it," he said. "Without wreckage, we can't say it's definitely here. We've got to go down and have a look."
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There is some skepticism regarding whether the signal picked up by the Chinese vessel is fromt he recorders:

Meanwhile, the British ship HMS Echo, was using sophisticated sound-locating equipment to try to determine whether two separate sounds heard by a Chinese ship about 555 kilometers away from the Ocean Shield were related to the plane. The patrol vessel Haixun 01 detected a brief "pulse signal" on Friday and a second signal on Saturday.

The crew of the Chinese ship reportedly picked up the signals using a sonar device called a hydrophone dangled over the side of a small boat
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Mountains just should NOT be under water. It's just plainly immoral, imo.
 
Ship hunting for more 'pings' in plane search

The Ocean Shield is dragging a ping locator at a depth of 3 kilometers (1.9 miles). It is designed to detect signals at a range of 1.8 kilometers (1.12 miles), meaning it would need to be almost on top of the recorders to detect them if they were on the ocean floor, which is about 4.5 kilometers (2.8 miles) deep.

Gotta give up any day now...
 
I would not have thought the NY Times would have such good article that actually just laid out facts and let the reader decide what information was relevant. This was a good read. Thanks EarlyMon.
 
Update:

Flight 370 effort could soon shift from search to recovery | Fox News


The team of international investigators hunting for Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 has "unquestionably" located the missing jetliner and could soon have high resolution images of the wreck site, an expert in deep sea recoveries of ships and planes told FoxNews.com.

There is virtually no chance that the pings picked up by ships towing sophisticated listening devices could be anything other than signals emitted by the plane's flight data recorder, or "black box," David Mearns, of Blue Water Recoveries, a United Kingdom-based company that holds the Guinness World Record for the deepest ocean recovery and has assisted searches for sunken planes.


Click on article link above to read more!
 
Contrast the above with the most recent statement, courtesy of BBC News Asia, attributed to Air Chief Marshall Angus Houston:

"I believe we are searching in the right area," said Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, who heads the joint agency co-ordinating the search.

"But we need to visually identify aircraft wreckage before we can confirm with certainty that this is the final resting place of MH370."

Ocean Shield has now detected four transmissions in the same broad area, he said. "Yesterday's signals will assist in better defining a reduced and much more manageable search area on the ocean floor."
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Additionally, from CBS News posted late yesterday evening:

Two U.S. Navy officers told the Reuters news agency Wednesday that, "while the pings had been found within a 502 square mile area, they were not confident that they represented reoccurences of the same signal."
"I'd say they are separate acoustic events," Reuters quotes U.S. Navy Captain Mark Matthews as saying, pointing out that the pings weren't close together.


"There has been variability in the geographic position, which leads me to be less optimistic than I would be if I could consistently reacquire the signal so that I have a nice, small geographic area to focus the autonomous under water vehicle search on," Matthews told Reuters.
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It appears that Fox, and their uninvolved expert, are much more confident than those 'on the ground'.
 
[Two] More 'pings' raise hopes Flight 370 will be found

Planes and ships hunting for the missing Malaysian jetliner zeroed in on a targeted patch of the Indian Ocean on Thursday, after a navy ship picked up underwater signals that are consistent with a plane's black box.

Thursday's search zone was the smallest yet in the monthlong hunt for Flight 370, and comes a day after the Australian official in charge of the search expressed hope that crews were closing in on the "final resting place" of the vanished jet.
 
That's a mashup of yesterday's news, except for the claim that the wreckage is in a 12 square mile patch on the ocean floor.

Today we have reports that a fifth signal was picked up by a P3 Orion via 84 sonar buoys. The Journal is claiming that the wreckage is within 502 square miles on the ocean floor.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579492463296288606?mg=reno64-wsj

I don't believe that anyone said anything about the ocean floor.
 
Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 live: Malaysian transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein says 'everyone remains a suspect' - Mirror Online

It has emerged that in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance of Flight MH370, a crucial source of data came from four rooftop antennas installed by aviation enthusiasts living near the flight path.

The volunteers, who host the trackers for Houston, Texas-based firm FlightAware, captured clues to aid the hunt for the missing jetliner.

Each FlightFeeder tracker weighs half a pound and is about the size of a fizzy drinks can.
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Wait for it. Here it comes...

Malaysia transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein has said all 239 people on board MH370 remain 'suspects'.

In an interview with Sky News, he said he continues to work with intelligence agencies including MI6 and the FBI to find out what happened to the missing plane.

"Everyone on board remains under suspicion as it stands," he said.

"As we look into the black box, we look into new facts. It isn't just MI6 involved in the investigation, it is Chinese intelligence, it's also the FBI.

"I've asked them to re-intensify their investigations, just as we did with the radar data."
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:banghead:

No. No, I did not make that up. No, the link is real.

Plus, the Mirror quoted CNN as a source in another part of the article.

That's just quality inspiring more quality right there.

Hishammuddin needs a hero to help. He needs...

 
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