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10 bucks is the deal breaker samsung galaxy s

IOWA said:
So in that article it says he reached 3.something MBPS on average, ( who knows how many speedtests he took though) with a peak of just higher than 7.

Still not faster than WiMax.
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Not faster than Wimax???? Did you read the article???

LOL! He tested Wimax at the same time, same place, and posted the numbers. The HSPA+ was faster. It had faster average upload and download speeds, and faster peak upload and download speeds.
 
I'm not even interested on which carrier is faster. I would think for a mobile device, those speeds are enough. I'm more concerned about this quote :rolleyes:

But HSPA+ may come with a big downer: usage caps. Today's 3G networks are so overloaded that the carriers slap 5-gigabyte caps on monthly usage, mostly to prevent people from using them as primary home connections and clogging up the lines.
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Limiting my use might not sit well with me even if I don't think I'll even come close to it. And with the congestion means that I'm sharing the entire bandwidth with a lot of people therefore slowing down the speed.
 
Caloy said:
I'm not even interested on which carrier is faster. I would think for a mobile device, those speeds are enough. I'm more concerned about this quote :rolleyes:



Limiting my use might not sit well with me even if I don't think I'll even come close to it. And with the congestion means that I'm sharing the entire bandwidth with a lot of people therefore slowing down the speed.
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No question, not having a cap is a major plus for Sprint. I can certainly agree with that. I don't think it's a big enough plus to require $10 per month, per line, but it's a plus.

Give me the 5 GB cap, and if I go over it then charge me an extra $10 that month and give me unlimited data for the month. That would be cool. But I just can't justify paying an extra $40 per month for the same exact service I am getting right now (not in a 4G area).
 
I feel the 10 dollars is not a problem since theres no 5gb data cap with the 10 dollar fee witch is worth it alone to me.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Not faster than Wimax???? Did you read the article???

LOL! He tested Wimax at the same time, same place, and posted the numbers. The HSPA+ was faster. It had faster average upload and download speeds, and faster peak upload and download speeds.
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WiMax reaches 3-6 MBPS average. Just because the WiMax is weak in one certain spot, doesn't mean it's slower overall. Not to mention since the 4G devices fallback on 3G, he may not have even been in WiMax coverage area.

WiMAX performance in the Clear network in Portland

YouTube - Clear 4G WiMax Speed Test - Portland, Oregon

YouTube - Clear Wimax Atlanta Speed Test

YouTube - Clear Wimax Speed test

YouTube - clear wi-max san antonio Texas speed test-buy at best buy alamo ranch

Oh, and to the people complaining about the extra $30 for wifi tethering, that's the same price everyone used to charge for P.A.M. before they took it off the shelf.
 
njbianco said:
I feel the 10 dollars is not a problem since theres no 5gb data cap with the 10 dollar fee witch is worth it alone to me.
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Only on the 4G side, there is still a cap on the 3G side. So most people will still have a cap since barely anyone has 4G.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Give me the 5 GB cap, and if I go over it then charge me an extra $10 that month and give me unlimited data for the month. That would be cool. But I just can't justify paying an extra $40 per month for the same exact service I am getting right now (not in a 4G area).
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I think that's an excellent idea. Much better than being charged $10 automatically even if you haven't used up all that bandwidth.

OR

Charge us $10 for the 4G but let us tether our devices even just one device at a time.
 
Caloy said:
I think that's an excellent idea. Much better than being charged $10 automatically even if you haven't used up all that bandwidth.

OR

Charge us $10 for the 4G but let us tether our devices even just one device at a time.
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This $10 fee is my whole problem. If they wouldn't have put that stupid fee on the Evo plans, I would have preordered my 4 yesterday with everyone else and I'd be giddy with anticipation right now. Sprint really dropped the ball on this one.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Here's the Sprint Evo event in New York- they put an HD2 right next to an Evo and did speed tests on both, the HD2 was faster (at Sprint's New York Evo party, wow)
YouTube - HTC EVO 4G vs. HTC HD2

Video: HTC EVO 4G vs. HTC HD2
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The Sprint 4G event wasn't running off of a WiMax network which can have overlapping towers...it was being ran from a temporary truck outside the event.

Also from pocketnow:

I wasn't as concerned about the aparent slow 4G speeds at the event, because I use Sprint 4G on my laptop in Phiadelphia, and I get speeds of 6mbps-10mbps down, so there's no reason that the EVO 4G can't pull that off in optimum conditions.
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Video: HTC EVO 4G vs. HTC HD2
 
SaltyDawg said:
Here's a T-Mobile HD2 speed test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRlx3bsp0hoth

Here's the Sprint Evo event in New York- they put an HD2 right next to an Evo and did speed tests on both, the HD2 was faster (at Sprint's New York Evo party, wow)
YouTube - HTC EVO 4G vs. HTC HD2

Video: HTC EVO 4G vs. HTC HD2

Wait til T-Mobile releases their Project Emerald phone (rumored to be the Samsung Galaxy S) that is actually made for their HSPA+ network.
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YAY! You posted a video from a slanted tech site that filmed the HD2 on a speed burst. Woohoo!
(not to mention with a not so accurate speedtest mind you)

Example: Would you believe this was my speedtest result?

Cnet Speed Test

I hope not... lol

And in at that conference, it wasn't real 4G. 4G WiMax network isn't even up in NYC yet. It was a "temporary" One tower they set up specifically for the conference, and didn't have the backhaul to support all those users. That's nowhere near a real world test or average.

Try again.
 
IOWA said:
YAY! You posted a video from a slanted tech site that filmed the HD2 on a speed burst. Woohoo!

And in at that conference, it wasn't real 4G. 4G WiMax network isn't even up in NYC yet. It was a "temporary" One tower they set up specifically for the conference, and didn't have the backhaul to support all those users. That's nowhere near a real world test or average.

Try again.
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What do you mean all those users? There were only like 4 or 5 Evos there that I can see. How many users is a tower supposed to be able to support?

Don't blame me if Sprint couldn't get their own event set up well enough to beat a T-Mobile 3G phone.

While it may be true that the Wimax will be faster than it was inside that event when it's all said and done, it's also true that the HD2 isn't even made for HSPA+ and when T-Mobile releases a phone that is made for it, it will get way better speeds than the HD2.
 
SaltyDawg said:
No question, not having a cap is a major plus for Sprint. I can certainly agree with that. I don't think it's a big enough plus to require $10 per month, per line, but it's a plus.

Give me the 5 GB cap, and if I go over it then charge me an extra $10 that month and give me unlimited data for the month. That would be cool. But I just can't justify paying an extra $40 per month for the same exact service I am getting right now (not in a 4G area).
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Then go with a diff phone/company if thats the way you feel, you have stated how you feel already, stop beating a dead horse and just go w/ what suits your needs. If you dont like the charges then ITS YOUR CHOICE NOT TO PAY THEM BY NOT USING THIS PHONE, simple as that! no need to keep bugging everyone else on here w/ your rants and raves b/c for the most part, the rest of us dont give a flying F***, we have made up our minds either to get the Evo or not already and bitching about it on here is not going to make a damn bit of difference to be compleatly honest with you, try talking to sprint themselves and do like other people are doing and getting that fee taken off their bill when the phone comes out. [/rant]
 
SaltyDawg said:
What do you mean all those users? There were only like 4 or 5 Evos there that I can see. How many users is a tower supposed to be able to support?

Don't blame me if Sprint couldn't get their own event set up well enough to beat a T-Mobile 3G phone.

While it may be true that the Wimax will be faster than it was inside that event when it's all said and done, it's also true that the HD2 isn't even made for HSPA+ and when T-Mobile releases a phone that is made for it, it will get way better speeds than the HD2.
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HSPA+ is backwards compatible, meaning the devices that support HSPA reap the benefits of HSPA+

And there is a difference between a tower and a femtocell. And they were there to demo the evo, not the 4G network.
 
djdisturbed said:
Then go with a diff phone/company if thats the way you feel, you have stated how you feel already, stop beating a dead horse and just go w/ what suits your needs. If you dont like the charges then ITS YOUR CHOICE NOT TO PAY THEM BY NOT USING THIS PHONE, simple as that! no need to keep bugging everyone else on here w/ your rants and raves b/c for the most part, the rest of us dont give a flying F***, we have made up our minds either to get the Evo or not already and bitching about it on here is not going to make a damn bit of difference to be compleatly honest with you, try talking to sprint themselves and do like other people are doing and getting that fee taken off their bill when the phone comes out. [/rant]
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Nobody is making you read this thread. If you don't like it, feel free to skip it.

And you're out of your mind if you don't think Sprint has cronies on all the message boards trying to generate hype about this device. If the site got on invite to the event in New York, then you better believe Sprint is all over it trying to generate hype right now. I suspect a lot of these Sprint fanboys are really employees.
 
IOWA said:
HSPA+ is backwards compatible, meaning the devices that support HSPA reap the benefits of HSPA+

And there is a difference between a tower and a femtocell. And they were there to demo the evo, not the 4G network.
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They were there to demo both. they demoed the device, and gthe things it does on 4G. And it wasn't a femtocell, lol. They had a temporary tower setup outside, not a little femtocell inside.

And yes, I know HSPA+ is backwards compatible. That is why T-Mobile 3G devices are pulling better speeds than sprint 4G devices when sitting right nect to them at Sprint's own 4G party.
 
Going back to the hspa+ vs wimax debate, please see this post.

As for the $10 extra fee a month that some are complaining about, it just doesn't make sense to me. This phone is like no other out there. Even without the 4G service, its an outstanding phone. Including the 4G service its simply knocks out anything out there. Paying $10 extra a month for the service is nothing. With discounts (plenty if you search for them) that $10 is offset to $0 or less.

TS out
 
twospirits said:
Going back to the hspa+ vs wimax debate, please see this post.

As for the $10 extra fee a month that some are complaining about, it just doesn't make sense to me. This phone is like no other out there. Even without the 4G service, its an outstanding phone. Including the 4G service its simply knocks out anything out there. Paying $10 extra a month for the service is nothing. With discounts (plenty if you search for them) that $10 is offset to $0 or less.

TS out
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Bam. And the argument is settled. Did you read my long winded CDMA vs GSM post lol?

Secondly, your radio will be capped at 7mbps max speed. Because of battery life and fcc regulations.
So your max speed is 7mbps, when 22% or less of the spectrum is being used. When greater then 23% is being used, the speeds will be forced down to 1.2 mbps. (I am trying to keep is simple)
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Poof. There goes that inaccurate you tube video.
 
SaltyDog, what exactly are you trying to accomplish on an EVO section? You claim you want to explore getting an evo, but instead of delving into its features or discussing the carrier you come here slinging shit at the walls like A) We care what you think and B) Nobody would take an issue with you "raining on our parade". This particularly forum is comprised of people who are excited and impassioned about the Evo, so what do you really expect when you start preaching the glory of T-Mobile and taking shots at Sprint?

Now, are we happy about the $10 fee? No. Will it deter some people from buying it? Of course. But I haven't seen ANYBODY try to wage a carrier war over it. If you think T-Mobile is so much superior to Sprint then there is a section of the site devoted to T-Mobile where you and like minded individuals can gush about HSPA+++ and Project Runway or Project Emerald or whatever it is to your little heart's content. I really just don't understand your agenda. If you don't want BIASED Evo discussion from Sprint "fanbois" then you REALLY need to find another forum.
 
SaltyDawg said:
What do you mean all those users? There were only like 4 or 5 Evos there that I can see. How many users is a tower supposed to be able to support?

Don't blame me if Sprint couldn't get their own event set up well enough to beat a T-Mobile 3G phone.

While it may be true that the Wimax will be faster than it was inside that event when it's all said and done, it's also true that the HD2 isn't even made for HSPA+ and when T-Mobile releases a phone that is made for it, it will get way better speeds than the HD2.
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We understand you love T-Mobile and their HSPA+. I'm all for more competition for Sprint. Once HSPA+ reaches at least 40 million people or so then it'll be relevant though. Hopefully it does soon with great results.. More competition = lower prices hopefully.
 
Caloy said:
EDIT: Doesn't the Evo has the very same 4.3" screen as the HD2?
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SprintFun said:
I believe they have a TFT LCD, same size, same resolution.
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No the screen size is the same but the evo has a TFT LCD as SprintFun said but the Incredible has an AMOLED screen.

Anyway, I don't mean to keep derailing the thread, just wanted to clear that up to avoid reader confusion between the two devices :)
 
JustFrozen said:
No the screen size is the same but the evo has a TFT LCD as SprintFun said but the Incredible has an AMOLED screen.

Anyway, I don't mean to keep derailing the thread, just wanted to clear that up to avoid reader confusion between the two devices :)
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The post you were referencing was talking about the HD2 and the Evo though, not the Incredible and the Evo.
 
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