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10 bucks is the deal breaker samsung galaxy s

T-Mo sucks for me...I dont even get service in my home half the time. I dont uderstand how the signal can be good on sec and gone the next without moving.
 
I have T-Mobile on Even More Plus plan, I have to admit, my signal comes and goes. Now I'll be assessing whether the $10 a month extra would be worth it for me. but for 4G alone and without tethering? Let's face it, if you only are allowed to use your mobile device and cannot tether your 4G connection to another device, you wouldn't need that much bandwidth (speed).

Thank god Sprint offers the 30 days money back guarantee. I'll be assessing if I do need speeds 10x faster than 3G or would 3G suffice with my mobile bandwidth usage. If I find out that I don't really need 4G for a mobile connection. I'm going to leave sprint, go back to T-Mobile and just buy the HD2 outright and get an even more plus plan that would cost me just 59.99 for 500 minutes (which I never use up) and unlimited text and web.

Sorry I don't think the Evo is worth an extra $120 a year ($240 a year for 2 years) if I couldn't justify the bandwidth increase.

At least I'll give it a try and not just bitch about it.
 
SprintFun said:
IOWA, unfortunately the $10 thing is NOT optional.
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Says who? we are getting conflicting reports and quite frankly everyone is guessing on what's going on. The only person that knows is Dan Hesse. Nothing is set in stone until launch date.
 
SaltyDawg said:
#2: T-Mobile has the Nexus One. They also have the HD2, which is a WinMo phone with the exact same hardware as the Evo. Both are made by HTC, the same company that makes the Evo.
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Yes, we know what the HD2 is and who makes it. But how can you really say with a straight face that it has "exactly the same hardware as the Evo"? :rolleyes:

Seems to me like you're just stretching facts to make a point. There are a lot of similarities, sure, but it sure as hell is not the exact same hardware.
Different screen type, no front facing cam, no kickstand, no HD video recording, no HDMI out. I'm sure I'm missing something else... but I think the point is made
 
JustFrozen said:
Yes, we know what the HD2 is and who makes it. But how can you really say with a straight face that it has "exactly the same hardware as the Evo"? :rolleyes:

Seems to me like you're just stretching facts to make a point. There are a lot of similarities, sure, but it sure as hell is not the exact same hardware.
Different screen type, no front facing cam, no kickstand, no HD video recording, no HDMI out. I'm sure I'm missing something else... but I think the point is made
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I would guess it's like a computer. Same mother board same processor, different OS, different monitor and accessories. :)

EDIT: Doesn't the Evo has the very same 4.3" screen as the HD2?
 
I believe they have a TFT LCD, same size, same resolution.

But other than that they're pretty different. Different (and additional) cameras, HD capturing capabilities, HDMI out, 4G and 3G radios...a lot more variables.
 
CRPercodani said:
EPIC post IOWA.
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It was a nice history lesson, but it was a logical fallacy known as a straw man. It had nothing whatsoever to do with anything we were discussing. He built up some imaginary point he pretended I was making, and then shot it down.

I just claimed that T-Mobile's HSPA+ was faster than Sprint's Wimax (which it is, and Sprint doesn't even dispute it, while T-Mobile publically boasts about it).

I also claimed that GSM is better than CDMA, which it is, for the reasons I listed.

And let me correct one thing he said- yes, I know you can make conference calls on CDMA. But on GSM, if you are talking on the phone and someone calls in on call waiting, you can conference THAT caller into the existing call, without hanging up on the existing conversation. And you can conference in 6 people on the GSM Touch Pro 2. And you can be surfing the net, emailing reports, whatever, all while you have that 6 party conference call.

So save the history lesson about TDMA (which I don't disagree with, by the way). But we are talking about current technology. The TDMA evolution and CDMA evolution have nothing to do with any of it. The bottom line is, you can do all of those things I listed on a GSM phone, and not on a CDMA phone.
 
SaltyDawg said:
It was a nice history lesson, but it was a logical fallacy known as a straw man. It had nothing whatsoever to do with anything we were discussing. He built up some imaginary point he pretended I was making, and then shot it down.

I just claimed that T-Mobile's HSPA+ was faster than Sprint's Wimax (which it is, and Sprint doesn't even dispute it, while T-Mobile publically boasts about it).

I also claimed that GSM is better than CDMA, which it is, for the reasons I listed.

And let me correct one thing he said- yes, I know you can make conference calls on CDMA. But on GSM, if you are talking on the phone and someone calls in on call waiting, you can conference THAT caller into the existing call, without hanging up on the existing conversation. And you can conference in 6 people on the GSM Touch Pro 2. And you can be surfing the net, emailing reports, whatever, all while you have that 6 party conference call.

So save the history lesson about TDMA (which I don't disagree with, by the way). But we are talking about current technology. The TDMA evolution and CDMA evolution have nothing to do with any of it. The bottom line is, you can do all of those things I listed on a GSM phone, and not on a CDMA phone.
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Good to know you disagree with scientific facts. Guess we know who has the credibility here.

You: GSM is better because I say so.

Me: CDMA is better, here's the facts and science to back them.

You know, since GSM is TDMA, after all, and the current GSM 3G data networks are using a *gasp* CDMA variant instead of the GSM/TDMA option. That's why they have simulvoice/data.

And all that will change with the emergence of 4G networks. Voice + Data can now be achieved using WiMax + CDMA(Which is how the GSM carriers achieve this), or whatever variant they decide in the future, (more than likely LTE, but WiMax is still in the picture, because it is a TRUE backhaul solution while LTE is NOT.)

Oh and guess what, I can conference people in on my samsung moment if i'm already on the phone. I could do it with my old winmo phone as well. Guess what, IT'S A DEVICE FEATURE. :rolleyes:

Good to know your confusing devices with the network they run on, just another blow into your (lack of) credibility.

Your best bet is to sit down. You've lost this one.
 
Now let's not start inciting each other alright guys. You've both made your points and this this time I think your best bet is agreeing to disagree.
 
CRPercodani said:
Now let's not start inciting each other alright guys. You've both made your points and this this time I think your best bet is agreeing to disagree.
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Ah but what if one point is correct and one isn't? How do we keep this false propaganda from spreading?
 
IOWA said:
Good to know you disagree with scientific facts. Guess we know who has the credibility here.

You: GSM is better because I say so.

Me: CDMA is better, here's the facts and science to back them.

You know, since GSM is TDMA, after all, and the current GSM 3G data networks are using a *gasp* CDMA variant instead of the GSM/TDMA option. That's why they have simulvoice/data.

And all that will change with the emergence of 4G networks. Voice + Data can now be achieved using WiMax + CDMA(Which is how the GSM carriers achieve this), or whatever variant they decide in the future, (more than likely LTE, but WiMax is still in the picture, because it is a TRUE backhaul solution while LTE is NOT.)

Oh and guess what, I can conference people in on my samsung moment if i'm already on the phone. I could do it with my old winmo phone as well. Guess what, IT'S A DEVICE FEATURE. :rolleyes:

Good to know your confusing devices with the network they run on, just another blow into your (lack of) credibility.

Your best bet is to sit down. You've lost this one.
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Look man, since you keep dodging this FACT, I will say it again:
I know you can conference call on a CDMA phone. On my GSM Touch Pro 2, I could host a 6 party conference call. Can you do that on your CDMA phone? No. Why? Because CDMA has a limitation that prevents it.
And you can email and use data while you do that on a GSM phone. Can you do that on your CDMA phone? No. Why? Because it's a limit built into CDMA. On a GSM phone, you can also take your SIM card out and put it in your new phone, and it will work just like that- and even have your contacts. Can CDMA phones do that? No. Why? Because it's a limitation built into CDMA. And yes, I know about RUIM cards. Too bad they aren't used. And before you go pointing out some unknown carrier in India that uses them on some accounts but not all, we're talking about the USA here, and the USA carriers. You know- T-Mobile and Sprint.

So stop your BS already. I'm not saying GSM is better "because I say it is." On the contrary, I am giving very specific examples of things it can do that CDMA (or at least Sprint) can't. Youare countering that with a history lesson that has nothing to do with any of it.
 
nitussi said:
Wishful thinking, but it is final ..its all over the net!
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Yup what they said. The 10 bucks is mandatory. The 30 for the hotspot is optional however. Look I am not Sprint's biggest fan... They certainly have their cons... But I can't blame them for putting their foots down and charging a monthly premium that they can and will get away with. With their Everything plan at 69.99 plus 10.00 plus 29.99 for hotspot they still have a cheaper set up than anything ( useful) I can get from Verizon or AT&T.... Not sure about T-mobile because I would never get them anyway. I get why people are upset but it is business... If you can't afford a luxury device than they have several others for you to choose from for less.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Look man, since you keep dodging this FACT, I will say it again:
I know you can conference call on a CDMA phone. On my GSM Touch Pro 2, I could host a 6 party conference call. Can you do that on your CDMA phone? No. Why? Because CDMA has a limitation that prevents it.
And you can email and use data while you do that on a GSM phone. Can you do that on your CDMA phone? No. Why? Because it's a limit built into CDMA. On a GSM phone, you can also take your SIM card out and put it in your new phone, and it will work just like that- and even have your contacts. Can CDMA phones do that? No. Why? Because it's a limitation built into CDMA. And yes, I know about RUIM cards. Too bad they aren't used. And before you go pointing out some unknown carrier in India that uses them on some accounts but not all, we're talking about the USA here, and the USA carriers. You know- T-Mobile and Sprint.

So stop your BS already. I'm not saying GSM is better "because I say it is." On the contrary, I am giving very specific examples of things it can do that CDMA (or at least Sprint) can't. Youare countering that with a history lesson that has nothing to do with any of it.
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Actually, the evo4G is capable of voice + data at the same time, and within 1/2 years time, 4G will be nationwide, so that argument (will be ) completely out the window.

And using a SIM/RUIM isn't a Limitation of CDMA, it's a limitation of the carriers that chose not to implement them. So, your wrong, again.

And ok, 6 people conference calling is out on CDMA, big deal. I've never had to use that feature, and 99% of subscribers don't use it or need it.

But here's something that IS useful to the common man. Dropped calls/call handoff.

Want to know why GSM drops more calls than CDMA?

CDMA has better data/call handling and interaction with the towers.

While GSM only uses one tower, CDMA uses multiple tower simultaneously. So if I move out of range of tower A, tower B has the call as well, so no problemo. But with GSM, it has to negotiate with another tower before the hand off, instead of before the hand off like with cdma. This also presents another fatal flaw with GSM. If your in a spot where signal strength between two towers is near the same, and since signal is in a constant state of flux, it will keep switching towers back and forth back and forth until you move from that spot. That often results in dropped calls.

Another advantage to CDMA? Tower capacity. Towers have more capacity with CDMA than they do with GSM. This results in more reliability, more calls/users per tower, and a less likely chance of tower overload, which happens often with GSM in crowded areas. ATT & NYC anyone?

So you can have your 6 person conference call, (and a higher chance of dropping that call), and I'll take more reliability, better mobility, and better call quality over that any day. And I'm inclined to believe that the common man would agree those things are much more important that a 6 person conference all.
 
sikclown said:
Yup what they said. The 10 bucks is mandatory. The 30 for the hotspot is optional however. Look I am not Sprint's biggest fan... They certainly have their cons... But I can't blame them for putting their foots down and charging a monthly premium that they can and will get away with. With their Everything plan at 69.99 plus 10.00 plus 29.99 for hotspot they still have a cheaper set up than anything ( useful) I can get from Verizon or AT&T.... Not sure about T-mobile because I would never get them anyway. I get why people are upset but it is business... If you can't afford a luxury device than they have several others for you to choose from for less.
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Until Dan Hesse(or an official sprint announcement) comes out and says it is mandatory, it's still up in the air. All we know is there in an option for this $10 charge, not that it is a mandatory charge.

Engadget, BGR, gizmodo etc... Have all been wrong many, many, MANY, times, especially about Sprint. Take what they say with a grain of salt, unless the official company makes the announcement themselves.

Now if I missed this announcement somehow, I apologize, and please send me to it.

After all, all those tech outlets care about is page hits(which drive their revenue), and NOT the factual basis of their articles. The amount of retractions (most of them quietly done) on these sites is astounding, and should not be taken as real news reporting.
 
SaltyDawg said:
It was a nice history lesson, but it was a logical fallacy known as a straw man. It had nothing whatsoever to do with anything we were discussing. He built up some imaginary point he pretended I was making, and then shot it down.

I just claimed that T-Mobile's HSPA+ was faster than Sprint's Wimax (which it is, and Sprint doesn't even dispute it, while T-Mobile publically boasts about it).

I also claimed that GSM is better than CDMA, which it is, for the reasons I listed.

And let me correct one thing he said- yes, I know you can make conference calls on CDMA. But on GSM, if you are talking on the phone and someone calls in on call waiting, you can conference THAT caller into the existing call, without hanging up on the existing conversation. And you can conference in 6 people on the GSM Touch Pro 2. And you can be surfing the net, emailing reports, whatever, all while you have that 6 party conference call.

So save the history lesson about TDMA (which I don't disagree with, by the way). But we are talking about current technology. The TDMA evolution and CDMA evolution have nothing to do with any of it. The bottom line is, you can do all of those things I listed on a GSM phone, and not on a CDMA phone.
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um no false..

I use them all and wimax speeds are consistently faster and I have achieved higher burst on their devices than on any other on the market,In multiple cities, states etc.
 
IOWA said:
Actually, the evo4G is capable of voice + data at the same time, and within 1/2 years time, 4G will be nationwide, so that argument (will be ) completely out the window.

And using a SIM/RUIM isn't a Limitation of CDMA, it's a limitation of the carriers that chose not to implement them. So, your wrong, again.

And ok, 6 people conference calling is out on CDMA, big deal. I've never had to use that feature, and 99% of subscribers don't use it or need it.

But here's something that IS useful to the common man. Dropped calls/call handoff.

Want to know why GSM drops more calls than CDMA?

CDMA has better data/call handling and interaction with the towers.

While GSM only uses one tower, CDMA uses multiple tower simultaneously. So if I move out of range of tower A, tower B has the call as well, so no problemo. But with GSM, it has to negotiate with another tower before the hand off, instead of before the hand off like with cdma. This also presents another fatal flaw with GSM. If your in a spot where signal strength between two towers is near the same, and since signal is in a constant state of flux, it will keep switching towers back and forth back and forth until you move from that spot. That often results in dropped calls.

Another advantage to CDMA? Tower capacity. Towers have more capacity with CDMA than they do with GSM. This results in more reliability, more calls/users per tower, and a less likely chance of tower overload, which happens often with GSM in crowded areas. ATT & NYC anyone?

So you can have your 6 person conference call, (and a higher chance of dropping that call), and I'll take more reliability, better mobility, and better call quality over that any day. And I'm inclined to believe that the common man would agree those things are much more important that a 6 person conference all.
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#1: Teh Evo can't do simultaneous voice and data unless you're in a 4G area- which most of the country is not. IF, and that's a big IF, they really get it rolled out everywhere in half a years time (and I am calling BS on that right now) then maybe in half a year's time you can revisit this. but right NOW, you can do it on T-Mobile, not on Sprint.

#2: Not using a SIM card IS a limitation of CDMA for not requiring it as part of the standard. And even if it were just a limitation of the carrier- so? How does that change anything? We're debating Sprint versus T-Mobile here, remember? If it's a limitation with Sprint, that is all that matters. Nice try though.

#3: T-Mobile has no such issues in New York, so save that attempt at a big city deflection. In fact, a recent independent test showed AT&T as having the fastest data in New York, with T-Mobile second. and in the article, T-Mobile also publically boasts that their HSPA+ is faster than Sprint's Wimax. When Clearwire was asked to comment on it, they not only didn't deny it, but started making excuses as to why:
T-Mobile's New York City Network is Proof of HSPA+ Speed - PCWorld


So save your fanboyism. The facts speak for themselves.
 
eieio said:
um no false..

I use them all and wimax speeds are consistently faster and I have achieved higher burst on their devices than on any other on the market,In multiple cities, states etc.
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Which T-Mobile device are you using? Not even Sprint denies that T-Mobile HSPA+ is faster than their Wimax.
 
SaltyDawg said:
#1: Teh Evo can't do simultaneous voice and data unless you're in a 4G area- which most of the country is not. IF, and that's a big IF, they really get it rolled out everywhere in half a years time (and I am calling BS on that right now) then maybe in half a year's time you can revisit this. but right NOW, you can do it on T-Mobile, not on Sprint.

#2: Not using a SIM card IS a limitation of CDMA for not requiring it as part of the standard. And even if it were just a limitation of the carrier- so? How does that change anything? We're debating Sprint versus T-Mobile here, remember? If it's a limitation with Sprint, that is all that matters. Nice try though.

#3: T-Mobile has no such issues in New York, so save that attempt at a big city deflection. In fact, a recent independent test showed AT&T as having the fastest data in New York, with T-Mobile second. and in the article, T-Mobile also publically boasts that their HSPA+ is faster than Sprint's Wimax. When Clearwire was asked to comment on it, they not only didn't deny it, but started making excuses as to why:
T-Mobile's New York City Network is Proof of HSPA+ Speed - PCWorld


So save your fanboyism. The facts speak for themselves.
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Lol... so can I call you a GSM fanboy?


oh and by 1/2 I meant 1-2 years time, not one half. Sorry, my mistake there.

And umm.. maybe you should read the articles you post before you post them, you just gave me more ammo to prove you wrong.

In our January tests, T-Mobile clocked average download speeds of 1220 kbps in New York City, and we saw speeds of as high as 3.5 megabits per second (mbps) in some testing locations. Those high speeds are similar to what you might expect to see from new 4G networks. T-Mobile's download speeds in New York City were second only to AT&T's at 1523 kbps (or 1.5 mbps).
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That is pulled directly from YOUR article...

T-Mobile's New York City Network is Proof of HSPA+ Speed - PCWorld

So how is 1.2 mbps average with 3.5 mbps burst faster than WiMax's 3-6mbps average with 10mbps burst?

Oh, and just because someone boasts about their product trying to sell their product, doesn't mean it's a better product. Steve Jobs has mastered this practice.
 
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