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2.2 Froyo for the Captivate Discussion

ScuroRaven said:
Mini Kies does not have a win 7 64 version. I got the last update using my GFs laptop with win xp.

The last update was NOT a GPS fix, and samsung never officially said it was. People just assumed it was. As for Froyo Samsung UK keeps setting and changing dates while Samsung US just states "this year"
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I downloaded Kies mini V 1.0.0.10082_8 without difficulty on my Dell laptop running Win 7 64 bit, and it seems to work just fine, including install of the JH7 update a few weeks ago.

I also retained the UK version of Kies v 1.5.3.10083_66 rather than deleting it prior to the installation of Kies mini, and it seems to be working just fine also. I wanted to keep it "just in case".
 
If I download the Froyo beta (Android 2.2) that was leaked for Captivate, where should I get the download from and will I still be able to download the 'official update' when it comes out from AT&T or Samsung?
 
i googled "xda samsung captivate froyo" or something like that to find it. i think you will still get the official update not 100% on that though, im sure someone at xda will have a way to get the official one even if the ota doesnt work so im not worried about it
 
ScuroRaven said:
The last update was NOT a GPS fix, and samsung never officially said it was. People just assumed it was.
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Actually, they did claim this. Using the official Facebook and Twitter accounts. Multiple times, back when they were active on these accounts.

Then when swarms of people started responding saying that GPS was still busted and came down on them hard, Samsung went silent and now hardly ever posts or responds.
 
sremick said:
Actually, they did claim this. Using the official Facebook and Twitter accounts. Multiple times, back when they were active on these accounts.

Then when swarms of people started responding saying that GPS was still busted and came down on them hard, Samsung went silent and now hardly ever posts or responds.
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Wrong, wrong wrong.

They said the OTA "updates" the GPS, they never ever used the word "fixed".

Here's proof:
The Samsung... | Facebook
 
Samsung has to only use terms like "optimization" and "updates" and "improvements". If they use the word "fix", then they are admitting that it's defective (which you know, and I know, and everyone else knows). That can get them into all sorts of legal hot-water and obligation, so they're going to dance around it and cherry-pick their words very carefully as to not admit fault or that they've been selling a defective product.

But despite the word games Samsung is playing here for legal reasons, the fact remains (and the spirit of the original point is) that Samsung has been touting the JH7 update as being a remedy for GPS woes... something it has failed miserably at doing.
 
I know that Froyo will have both. Acutally, 2.1 has free navigation, but we can't use it because the GPS doesn't work. Hahaha! I know AT&T would rather have us pay for their navigation, but do you think they will be able to block Google's free navi?

The more important question is if AT&T is going to exclude the Tethering option in Froyo. I am pretty sure they will, which means I'll have to root my phone. But then again, it might benefit them to include Tethering because I think they will make more money from people going over their limited data plans. 2GB is not a whole lot when your laptop is sucking the bandwidth.

What do you guys think? :confused:
 
sremick said:
Samsung has to only use terms like "optimization" and "updates" and "improvements". If they use the word "fix", then they are admitting that it's defective (which you know, and I know, and everyone else knows). That can get them into all sorts of legal hot-water and obligation, so they're going to dance around it and cherry-pick their words very carefully as to not admit fault or that they've been selling a defective product.

But despite the word games Samsung is playing here for legal reasons, the fact remains (and the spirit of the original point is) that Samsung has been touting the JH7 update as being a remedy for GPS woes... something it has failed miserably at doing.
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Much better explanation, this I do agree with.
 
sremick said:
Samsung has to only use terms like "optimization" and "updates" and "improvements". If they use the word "fix", then they are admitting that it's defective (which you know, and I know, and everyone else knows). That can get them into all sorts of legal hot-water and obligation, so they're going to dance around it and cherry-pick their words very carefully as to not admit fault or that they've been selling a defective product.

But despite the word games Samsung is playing here for legal reasons, the fact remains (and the spirit of the original point is) that Samsung has been touting the JH7 update as being a remedy for GPS woes... something it has failed miserably at doing.
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It worked for me.
 
shark974 said:
It worked for me.
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Well fantastic for you, but it's shown absolutely no improvement for 60-70% of those who've tried it (not making that number up... we've run polls). That's "failure" in my book, when it's being touted as the solution to the problem and now Samsung likes to think of it as "fixed".
 
sremick said:
Well fantastic for you, but it's shown absolutely no improvement for 60-70% of those who've tried it (not making that number up... we've run polls). That's "failure" in my book, when it's being touted as the solution to the problem and now Samsung likes to think of it as "fixed".
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Not to try to pick an argument, but do you mean by "60-70% of those who've tried it" people who (a) decide to visit this forum and those who (b) decide to answer such polls? This is not necessarily a representative sample of the Captivate/Galaxy S user base.


DW
 
I have the latest updates on my cappy....and I just used the GPS the other day in backwoods AR and it actually worked very well. The only thing I had to do was put the p hone on my dash...if I put it on the seat it would sometimes lose GPS lock...on the dash however it was locked on the whole time and it was accurate to about 20 yards or so...even going 60-65 mph...

i like -- just wish I could get a different voice for the voice navigation instead of the robot voice.
 
My GPS was working fairly well, but it's horrible again - I don't believe it's hardware at all, I think it's firmware that's the issue.
 
DaddyWhale said:
Not to try to pick an argument, but do you mean by "60-70% of those who've tried it" people who (a) decide to visit this forum and those who (b) decide to answer such polls? This is not necessarily a representative sample of the Captivate/Galaxy S user base.


DW
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I agree that the polls done here are not representative. But not for reasons that you stated. Your a and b points have nothing to with the phone they receive. The fact that the people casting their votes are from all around the US indicate to me that the poll has the potential to be very valid. You could argue that certain regions get certain batches of phones that may or may not have a certain uniqueness to them; however, this wide distribution of geographic location that the sample is drawn from gets rid of that potential confounding variable. The kind of person that visit these forums and decides to cast a vote on a poll has the same phone as anyone else that purchased it from his/her region (if that argument of regional differences is even valid). The only thing stopping the GPS polls form being valid is the low amount of power due to the relatively small sample size. However, you could argue that because of the fact that people on this forum tend to "mess" with their phones, a lot more than the population as a whole, that all polls of any kind are invalid. Because that is a rather glaring confounding variable.
 
Endoran said:
I agree that the polls done here are not representative. But not for reasons that you stated. Your a and b points have nothing to with the phone they receive. The fact that the people casting their votes are from all around the US indicate to me that the poll has the potential to be very valid. You could argue that certain regions get certain batches of phones that may or may not have a certain uniqueness to them; however, this wide distribution of geographic location that the sample is drawn from gets rid of that potential confounding variable. The kind of person that visit these forums and decides to cast a vote on a poll has the same phone as anyone else that purchased it from his/her region (if that argument of regional differences is even valid). The only thing stopping the GPS polls form being valid is the low amount of power due to the relatively small sample size. However, you could argue that because of the fact that people on this forum tend to "mess" with their phones, a lot more than the population as a whole, that all polls of any kind are invalid. Because that is a rather glaring confounding variable.
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Hi Endoran,
Actually my point was more like what you wrote last in your comment: the problem is self selection bias. People often go to forums and write on them only when they have a problem. It's natural. People want to find solutions and this is one of the places to find them. The guys who are ok with their phones are more likely to just use it, not write in forums.

DW
 
Hello, I am new here and I put a 2.2 on my phone but it is really laggy and doesnt work right all of the time. Does anyone know of a 2.2 beta or any kind of leak that is good?
Thanks!
 
DaddyWhale said:
Not to try to pick an argument, but do you mean by "60-70% of those who've tried it" people who (a) decide to visit this forum and those who (b) decide to answer such polls? This is not necessarily a representative sample of the Captivate/Galaxy S user base.
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I understand and concede your point in general, however specifically in this case there is more of a reality here that there's a problem. This is demonstrated and proven by the fact that even the countless people who've done exchanges (either through AT&T or Samsung) still haven't been able to get a phone with a working GPS.

If the polls were just being skewed by the fact that people come to forums to complain about GPS, then it should be easier for users to swap hardware and have it work. But it isn't.

It's also disproven by the fact that people don't come to the forums to just complain about GPS. There's enough room for other people to come to the forums with issues unrelated to GPS to allow enough balance to the polls asking specifically about GPS.

As a result, there's enough balance to unskew the poll results and actually paint an accurate picture of the GPS situation.
 
DaddyWhale said:
Hi Endoran,
Actually my point was more like what you wrote last in your comment: the problem is self selection bias. People often go to forums and write on them only when they have a problem. It's natural. People want to find solutions and this is one of the places to find them. The guys who are ok with their phones are more likely to just use it, not write in forums.

DW
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Very true. All polls inherently have this bias in someway or another. Although, I believe you can account for it if you were to do an actual statistical analysis. It would help tremendously if the sample size was large enough. However, even the best designed polls are weak for supporting any scientific claim. Exceptions are when you are able to minimalize selection bias and/or obtain a large sample size; each can compensate for the other. Such as presidential election polls which tend to be quite accurate unless the race is close. Thanks for the civil debate DW, I like having to draw upon my dusty statistical knowledge as I will soon have to be quite familiar with it. We pretty much agree with each other but still. :)
 
Does anyone know how to remove the block for non market apps on the Froyo version on the Captivate?

Or can the old method from eclair be used (changing the numeric value in settings)?

Nevermind, old method works by changing values
 
themagicool1 said:
Does anyone know how to remove the block for non market apps on the Froyo version on the Captivate?

Or can the old method from eclair be used (changing the numeric value in settings)?

Nevermind, old method works by changing values
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What do you mean by "changing the numeric value"? The only way I installed apps that weren't in the market was by using the "wonder machine" app. Is changing the values easier/better?

Somewhat off topic, I read somewhere that when 2.2 comes out for the captivate, it will automatically root the phone, is there any truth to that?
 
you have to have the phone rooted and then have root explorer. Once you do all that you change the the 0 to a 1 in the db settings. By doing that it allows non market apps to install. As for the 2.2, it does not come rooted. XDA has a one click that is fairly simple. It also has the allow non market apps option but I couldn't get that part to work on mine.
 
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