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VoidedSaint

VoidedSaint

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just from a personal standpoint, this is no way, shape or form, news, rumors, or hype, just a question

if google became a cell phone provider would you terminate your contract with your provider to obtain a google phone service?

I honestly would do it in a heartbeat if the cell towers were in my area and it was good service and an ubundant supply of android phones to choose from (all of them)

just wanting feedback, of what everyone thinks, considering google is primarily leaning more towards the mobile industry. i think they could be called big green hahaha

if this topic is not worthy to be here please delete thank you.
 
I would need more info, would google subsidize devices?? what are the price plans?? all things being equal i would dump verizon in a heartbeat

sidenote, wrong forum to post this
 
well actually i posted it here because i would rather ask the rooted community.

the rooted community has a better understanding of what they like to have as far as roms, kernals, themes, utilities, stuff in that nature, so its basically asking a dev would you partner with google in helping them produce a cell phone company, that would give devs the much needed support for devices.

phone prices and plan prices would be in competition with other carriers so im sure there would be some stupilations to the rules of google, but its just a theory of a question lol

but if someone feels this thread is not in the right place feel free to move it or delete, wont hurt my feelings.
 
It would depend on their reception and price. I think if they had reception as good as Verizon they could beat verizons price, but I would definitely be interested
 
your reading too much into it, just give your ideas on what you think it should be, plan prices, phone prices, stuff like that. just give your ideas.
like i think plan prices should be similar to sprints prices, and phone prices be just $25 cheaper than verizon with the mail in rebate so basically $125 mail in rebate, cause they need to make a profit cant just get everything we want cheaper,
data plan for a 4g network should be $25 a month just all here say, just what you think.
 
The problem is that Google is going to most likely want Vanilla Android on the phones they release...this is not going to sit well with the majority of manufacturers...

you have to remember they do not design these phones with Sense, or Blur, or whatever to make their phones worse...and there are lots of things that Sense or Blur has that make Vanilla Android look like garbage(Blur Camera, Blur Dialer for example)...

the manufacturers are going to want to put their stamp on the phones to set them apart from others...

If Google does go this route, i have a feeling that they will have a problem getting manufacturers to line up to sell unlocked versions of their phones with Vanilla Android...
 
Metfanant said:
The problem is that Google is going to most likely want Vanilla Android on the phones they release...this is not going to sit well with the majority of manufacturers...

you have to remember they do not design these phones with Sense, or Blur, or whatever to make their phones worse...and there are lots of things that Sense or Blur has that make Vanilla Android look like garbage(Blur Camera, Blur Dialer for example)...

the manufacturers are going to want to put their stamp on the phones to set them apart from others...

If Google does go this route, i have a feeling that they will have a problem getting manufacturers to line up to sell unlocked versions of their phones with Vanilla Android...
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I partly agree with you but they could have vanilla Android with some better apps like the blur camera etc., or they could have blur but not mandatory (like changing from lpp to adw) and be able to delete the bloatware
 
eraursls1984 said:
I partly agree with you but they could have vanilla Android with some better apps like the blur camera etc., or they could have blur but not mandatory (like changing from lpp to adw) and be able to delete the bloatware
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I think you're frankly missing the point of what makes Vanilla Android, Vanilla...

1. if its got the "blur camera" its no longer Vanilla...unless Google decides to incorporate Motorola's camera into "stock" Android...

2. Your idea of Vanilla with "better apps" is exactly what Sense/Blur, and other UI's are...I think some people take this "Blur is crap, give me Vanilla or death!" attitude entirely too far. Blur is nothing more than an overlay of Vanilla Android, but with some in-house designed add-ons and themeing going on...its actually not much different than what LauncherPro offers...they theme some apps and add functionality (camera, dialer etc...) and give us their own widgets (just like LPP)

if Vanilla Android was so brilliant, apps like LauncherPro, or ADW would not need to exist and would not be so popular...

3. Bloatware probably comes about because of business deals and such...it costs lots of money to design, manufacture and distribute these phones, and then they go and get sold for subsidized prices to us, the consumer...

how do you think Verizon becomes the official mobile supplier of the NFL? or we see the Droid X used in all of the NFL mobile commercials???

they have to make business deals..and those deals include good things for Moto like..."everyone in the commercials watching NFL mobile will be holding the Droid X." But it also includes not so good things like "Every Droid X will come pre-loaded with NFL Mobile and it can't be uninstalled."
 
if you ask me let the manufacturers keep their stamp on things, just make sure the bootloaders are unlocked, then your blur droid is now vanilla. unless im looking into this the wrong way.

google needs the make their profit so i think they should keep current deals but start there own service. verizon piggy backed for a bit if im not mistaken, but im not 100% sure, if google piggy backs on verizon or sprint or t-mobile or just buys t-mobile and sprint, it would be alot better, there is some articles on the net, just got done reading one, and its very informative. it explains why it would be a bad move right now, but they do see google being a phone carrier in the not too distant future.

i believe google would of course have to make sacrafices, i just believe if its android it should be offered as a google phone with google service, the atrix, the dx/bionic, evo, desire, etc, etc, it should all be offered onto the google service. would it screw other companies? yes, plan price depending of course!
 
im sure there are also alot of people in here who love the blur on android phones, and dont care too much for vanilla. i like so me blur apps, but im always willing to try new things...(except the iphone)
 
1 vanilla gives users the basics and allows them to add or delete what they want.

2. My idea is not like sense or blur, you can't get rid of those other than rooting and installing roms. If a user is given an option (without voiding their warranty) then its nothing like what the manufactures are doing now. Most people I know with phone that come with vanilla don't have lpp or adw, but most X users I know do, it seems to me they are more popular with people who don't have vanilla Android.

3. This is not the only reason we can't remove apps, we can't remove any blur apps and they aren't getting any deals for that stuff.

If Google were to jump in I don't think they would have a problem with manufactures adding stuff like blur, only that they were restricting users to what they want you to have. As long as it was open I think Google wouldn't care, that's what they are about.
 
VoidedSaint said:
if you ask me let the manufacturers keep their stamp on things, just make sure the bootloaders are unlocked, then your blur droid is now vanilla. unless im looking into this the wrong way.
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not really...having an unlocked bootloader does not make it Vanilla...it would allow you to run Vanilla Android...but it would still be Blur

VoidedSaint said:
google needs the make their profit so i think they should keep current deals but start there own service. verizon piggy backed for a bit if im not mistaken, but im not 100% sure, if google piggy backs on verizon or sprint or t-mobile or just buys t-mobile and sprint, it would be alot better, there is some articles on the net, just got done reading one, and its very informative. it explains why it would be a bad move right now, but they do see google being a phone carrier in the not too distant future.
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no way Google buys out one of the providers...you're forgetting all the other manufacturers that are making phones and stuff..

VoidedSaint said:
i believe google would of course have to make sacrafices, i just believe if its android it should be offered as a google phone with google service, the atrix, the dx/bionic, evo, desire, etc, etc, it should all be offered onto the google service. would it screw other companies? yes, plan price depending of course!
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you might not realize what you're saying here but....

VoidedSaint said:
(except the iphone)
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you realize that what you're saying with your "its android, so Google should sell it" approach is EXACTLY what Apple does with ALL of their products...

your approach is akin to saying, well...Windows is installed on the VAST majority of computers sold in the world...and since MS makes Windows, they should sell all the computers, thus cutting out all competition from the market....


eraursls1984 said:
1 vanilla gives users the basics and allows them to add or delete what they want.
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to an extent...but your ignoring the business deals that i mentioned...things like NFL mobile are locked for a reason...

eraursls1984 said:
2. My idea is not like sense or blur, you can't get rid of those other than rooting and installing roms. If a user is given an option (without voiding their warranty) then its nothing like what the manufactures are doing now.
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actually it is EXACTLY like Sense or Blur you're just creating a fictional UI that is not locked down and can be removed...HTC or Moto could easily accomplish this and allow it on their phones right now..

the problem with your idea is that you CANT have warranties if you're going to approach it that way...you cant expect to hold Motorola, or HTC responsible for you tinkering with your phone by removing/adding/modding apps and such...

its either got to be Vanilla or not, you cant have a middle ground here because both parties (the consumer, and manufacturer) need to be protected by warranties and such...

- if your phone breaks or malfunctions...you need to be protected so your device can be fixed or replaced...

- if you mess with your phone and start changing things that it came with the device...the manufacturer needs to be protected so that they can't be held responsible for you doing something with the phone that it was not intended to do...

eraursls1984 said:
Most people I know with phone that come with vanilla don't have lpp or adw, but most X users I know do, it seems to me they are more popular with people who don't have vanilla Android.
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No offense, but I'm gonna call BS...

- first of all i would ask how many of them are running custom ROMS, which totally negates whether they had Vanilla originally or not...
- Vanilla offers nothing more in the vein of customization than Blur or Sense does...you would still need an app like LP to achieve the level of customization...

eraursls1984 said:
3. This is not the only reason we can't remove apps, we can't remove any blur apps and they aren't getting any deals for that stuff.
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you're still missing complete ideas and approaching the idea from the wrong angle...

- Moto has designed Blur to function as a whole, and they don't allow those components to be removed/replaced because they are protecting their IP and device, once you change those things Motorola can no longer support your phone because they are no longer their apps...if you removed the Blur camera and installed the vanilla android camera and something goes wrong...should Motorola be responsible for giving you tech support? or fixing the phone?...no of course not...

it is the reason the iPhone is such a solid, well oiled, well performing device...because Apple controls everything...

eraursls1984 said:
If Google were to jump in I don't think they would have a problem with manufactures adding stuff like blur, only that they were restricting users to what they want you to have. As long as it was open I think Google wouldn't care, that's what they are about.
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there are many reasons for them to restrict what is offered...

what essentially you're asking for is Vanilla Android with a "toolbox" that allows you to install/remove whatever it is you want, WITHOUT rooting, and WITHOUT voiding your warranty...

and i just don't think what you're looking for is possible...
 
i guess literature is not my specialty, i merely suggest they offer all the androids, and of course now i am adding this any other phone they wish, but of course the competition is out there, and im just stating things i think could happen, can google buy out other carriers, i bet they can, no doubts about it, but will they is a different question, but google as a carrier, would infact be nice.

i would just enjoy seeing all android phones on 1 carrier and then some blackberry's and standard phones, i doubt google would offer the iphone :p
 
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