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Samsung Canada pulling Froyo update | Android Central

It looks like Samsung is aware of all the Bell Samsung Vibrant's getting bricked, and they're pretty sure it has something to do with the Froyo update. As a result, they have pulled Froyo from Kies, and we assume will be digging through trying to find the problem. In the meantime, if you're one of the unlucky ones who had problems with Froyo on your Bell Vibrant, give Samsung a holler at 800-751-4078 , or sh.support@samsung.com. [Samsung Canada on Facebook]
 
steve6884 said:
Samsung Canada pulling Froyo update | Android Central

It looks like Samsung is aware of all the Bell Samsung Vibrant's getting bricked, and they're pretty sure it has something to do with the Froyo update. As a result, they have pulled Froyo from Kies, and we assume will be digging through trying to find the problem. In the meantime, if you're one of the unlucky ones who had problems with Froyo on your Bell Vibrant, give Samsung a holler at 800-751-4078 , or sh.support@samsung.com. [Samsung Canada on Facebook]
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Is there any reason at this point to wait for the "official" launch of froyo? Seriously, does samsung have a barrel full of monkeys working on this update? A lot of people want to blame At&T, and they may be playing a role in this mess, but come on. None of the US carriers have froyo out for the SGS. And now this?
 
Was reading through this sticky forum...I agree with someone above why wait for samsung/att for froyo...go get it....use custom rom....also even though out of box captivate is good device...but i am telling you that tweaks and features added by custom rom are awesome...I got bored of stock 2.1 and wanted cool features of froyo...so went ahead after many weeks of speculation....now after using cog., perception i am on assonance...the dev mikeymike is doing wonderful things ...there are some bugs running there too, but mainly becoz of OC/UV...which IMO is bad idea...I am using different kernel and had no problems at all....a snappier super sexy phone....I love it...

some one also said there r number of updates. most updates to include new features or fix bugs...there will be no final rom...there will always be new features or fixes

and come on samsung as whole company with i m sure some talented developers, testing team came up with a buggy stock captivate...these custom ROM Dev's are few people who are trying their level best to come up with some awesome things without proper testing team...

but its a personal choice...waiting for anything official sounds like a very bad idea when u r dealing with samsung and att
 
Shelbster said:
I was just checking out the market and OCLF is back. BUT...it no longer roots your phone. You have to be rooted already to use OCLF. It definitely appears google is making a concerted effort to make it more difficult to root in order to appease the carriers.
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Yeah, I'd love to be a fly on a wall in Mountain View.

I've no doubt that they're getting bent over because an OS exploit is an OS exploit - but - I'd bet dollars to donuts that that's the basis for having to meet this requirement.

The carriers give software bundles on every Android that makes people want to root in the first place - to get rid of the bloat.

Microsoft and Apple distribute bloatware - but you can remove it.

Android is a real OS. When carriers take a page from Microsoft and treat this as an OS distribution instead of a feature-phone distribution, then these tempests in teacups will go away.

I just see this all as a smokescreen.

Those one-touch root methods simply take rooting steps and wrap them up into a single operation.

The rooting exploit step exists because the makers and carriers didn't learn on the first day that a 15 year old broke their security that there was a fundamental problem with their model - not their security model - their marketing model.

And yet - they make the supplier - Google - resort to security modeling and implementation corrections to fix their marketing model.

And the carriers wonder why we hate them so. :cool:

If they put as much effort into GPS as they do protecting their phoney baloney Android add-ons, you'd have location accuracy to the centimeter in your basement.

And you'd have it with Froyo, and you'd have a date on Gingerbread.
 
Shelbster said:
Is there any reason at this point to wait for the "official" launch of froyo?
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Yes... I thought a bunch of people answered this on the previous page?

I'm content in waiting to see just what a Froyo build actually designed for the Captivate's hardware and designated final/complete is like. Because all existing Froyo ROMs for the Captivate are either based on early buggy betas, or other different hardware which carries with it a whole separate series of issues.

There is not a single Froyo ROM for the Captivate that I have not seen a disturbing number of issues with either here or on XDA forums. Does the stock 2.1 have issues/bugs too? Sure, but they are a known quantity, and manageable. I'm not interested yet in risking my phone to a much higher degree to just trade the manageable bugs in stock 2.1 for the really nasty and random gremlins that pop up in the unofficial hacked-up ROMs.

Now, without fail at least one person will flame me with a rant along the lines of: "ive been runnin _________ rom 4 months now n never had a prob so i dunno what crap ur smoking... ur full of shit noob!"... well, good for you. I'm referring overall to the much-higher frequency of people having seriously annoying, and sometimes damaging problems with these hacked ROMs. Does my GPS work great? No, not even close. Am I willing to trade an improved GPS but have to give up bluetooth, or maybe wired headsets, or maybe sudden frequent random shutdowns, or 10X the force-closes as before, and who knows what bug-of-the-day with these wild-west developed ROMs with their daily updates? Working today, busted tomorrow, fixed the day after but now something else doesn't work. Rinse, repeat.

I depend on my phone and need it to work for the most part. I'll leave the hacked-up ROMs to the tinkerers who couldn't care less if their phone works now, or not, or never again.

And that's my reason to wait for the official Froyo. I'll look into the hacked-up unofficial ROMs the day that Samsung makes it clear that no more official ROMs will be coming.
 
These actions certainly do not affect the sophisticated or semi-sophisticated user. Anyone who is reading this site has the ability to figure out how to root without using a market app. But obviously we are a minority when it comes to smart phone sales.

At&t is obviously going after the unsophisticated user, and when you think about it, this really is devious. At&t loads its phones with bloatware. But not just any bloatware, but income producing bloatware. If an inexperienced user can't remove it, then there is a better chance they will use it.

On top of this, at least some at&t bloatware requires you to be on your data plan and not wifi. They force you to use up your data while at the same time charging you for the service. No wonder people want to remove the bloatware.

So essentially, at&t does not care about us, the minority of people who can figure out how to root from sources such as xda. We don't provide them with the majority of their revenues. They really don't care about any holes in the operating system. At&t just wants to create the illusion of outrage about an exploit in order to protect their cash cow of unsophisticated users.

Ultimately samsung and google are complicit in all of this. Essentially they are milking the less knowledgeable for all they are worth.

But this is the underlying reason why there is no rush from at&t or samsung to get us real info on froyo or gingerbread updates. The majority of their money comes from unsophisicated people who don't know or care about such things.
 
sremick said:
Yes... I thought a bunch of people answered this on the previous page?

I'm content in waiting to see just what a Froyo build actually designed for the Captivate's hardware and designated final/complete is like. Because all existing Froyo ROMs for the Captivate are either based on early buggy betas, or other different hardware which carries with it a whole separate series of issues.

There is not a single Froyo ROM for the Captivate that I have not seen a disturbing number of issues with either here or on XDA forums. Does the stock 2.1 have issues/bugs too? Sure, but they are a known quantity, and manageable. I'm not interested yet in risking my phone to a much higher degree to just trade the manageable bugs in stock 2.1 for the really nasty and random gremlins that pop up in the unofficial hacked-up ROMs.

Now, without fail at least one person will flame me with a rant along the lines of: "ive been runnin _________ rom 4 months now n never had a prob so i dunno what crap ur smoking... ur full of shit noob!"... well, good for you. I'm referring overall to the much-higher frequency of people having seriously annoying, and sometimes damaging problems with these hacked ROMs. Does my GPS work great? No, not even close. Am I willing to trade an improved GPS but have to give up bluetooth, or maybe wired headsets, or maybe sudden frequent random shutdowns, or 10X the force-closes as before, and who knows what bug-of-the-day with these wild-west developed ROMs with their daily updates? Working today, busted tomorrow, fixed the day after but now something else doesn't work. Rinse, repeat.

I depend on my phone and need it to work for the most part. I'll leave the hacked-up ROMs to the tinkerers who couldn't care less if their phone works now, or not, or never again.

And that's my reason to wait for the official Froyo. I'll look into the hacked-up unofficial ROMs the day that Samsung makes it clear that no more official ROMs will be coming.
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I've never once criticised anyone for their point of view. And quite honestly, if working bluetooth is important to you, and there is no rom that has working bluetooth, then there is no way you should flash.

I will say that unless you have flashed roms, it is kind of hard to qualify or quantify the bugs from each rom. It can look scary reading some of the threads and seeing some of the problems on xda. But, if you look closely, a lot of times you are seeing the results of careless people who haven't taken the time to read about what they are doing resulting in user error.

Obviously some roms and even some versions of roms are more alpha than others. Thats why anyone flashing really needs to read up on what they are doing first. But my experience has been far less scary than your portrayal. Obviously ymmv.
 
viny2cool said:
so now this thread had turned into

wait for official froyo vs flash a custom rom?
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As it's All Things Froyo, I was hoping this simply meant that it's ok to talk about alternatives while waiting for the official Froyo.

As long as the hot-topics thread list is compact enough for the many new users joining us each and every day to find the threads of interest, staff is happy to help you organize your user forums the way you users want.

Once we have consensus, we moderate and manage to that.

I'd suggested a separate thread - even making it Android-wide - to parallel this one specifically to segregate stock vs. custom roms.

Consensus was no, so here we are.

It's our forums - so it's your forums. Let us know your needs, and we'll do our best to manage to that.

As I type this, we have 700 out of over 57,000 active users reading and posting right now - but we have over 7000 lurkers right this instant.

Many are here because Google tells them this is the number one place to go for Android info - and we organize as best we can to keep every Android user happy with a source of the best info - you the users.

(Futurama's Wernstrom: "Ladies and gentlemen, my Killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available." And you can see some of its stats on our main page. ;)
 
sremick said:
Yes... I thought a bunch of people answered this on the previous page?

I'm content in waiting to see just what a Froyo build actually designed for the Captivate's hardware and designated final/complete is like. Because all existing Froyo ROMs for the Captivate are either based on early buggy betas, or other different hardware which carries with it a whole separate series of issues.

There is not a single Froyo ROM for the Captivate that I have not seen a disturbing number of issues with either here or on XDA forums. Does the stock 2.1 have issues/bugs too? Sure, but they are a known quantity, and manageable. I'm not interested yet in risking my phone to a much higher degree to just trade the manageable bugs in stock 2.1 for the really nasty and random gremlins that pop up in the unofficial hacked-up ROMs.

Now, without fail at least one person will flame me with a rant along the lines of: "ive been runnin _________ rom 4 months now n never had a prob so i dunno what crap ur smoking... ur full of shit noob!"... well, good for you. I'm referring overall to the much-higher frequency of people having seriously annoying, and sometimes damaging problems with these hacked ROMs. Does my GPS work great? No, not even close. Am I willing to trade an improved GPS but have to give up bluetooth, or maybe wired headsets, or maybe sudden frequent random shutdowns, or 10X the force-closes as before, and who knows what bug-of-the-day with these wild-west developed ROMs with their daily updates? Working today, busted tomorrow, fixed the day after but now something else doesn't work. Rinse, repeat.

I depend on my phone and need it to work for the most part. I'll leave the hacked-up ROMs to the tinkerers who couldn't care less if their phone works now, or not, or never again.

And that's my reason to wait for the official Froyo. I'll look into the hacked-up unofficial ROMs the day that Samsung makes it clear that no more official ROMs will be coming.
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And btw, if you read the quote I was referring to with my comment, bell's samsung vibrant froyo was pulled from kies because of bricking problems. That was the actual final/complete build of froyo that was released.

When I said is there any reason to wait for official froyo, I was not necessarily saying people should flash a custom rom. I just don't think there should be this eager anticipation for the official froyo as I think it may be as buggy and beta as some custom roms.

Instead of "waiting for froyo" maybe people who are leery of flashing need to learn to love eclair. Froyo could end up being a let down.
 
This is a good thread. We can disagree without being disagreeable. It's lively, fast moving, and "intelligent."

EarlyMon - thanks for leaving things as is. Some of the thread could have easily been moved to All Things Root, but, IMO, were better left here as the posts were relevant to the overall discussion.
 
Shelbster said:
When I said is there any reason to wait for official froyo, I was not necessarily saying people should flash a custom rom. I just don't think there should be this eager anticipation for the official froyo as I think it may be as buggy and beta as some custom roms.

Instead of "waiting for froyo" maybe people who are leery of flashing need to learn to love eclair. Froyo could end up being a let down.
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Nah, c'mon! The glass is half-full. :)

Every update fixes something, and breaks something else that requires yet another maintenance upgrade.

That's life with any complex OS.

Overall, I predict that a few people won't notice, but the majority will really appreciate the faster running apps, better copy&paste, Flash, better app management (running from SD card, better runtime control) - the whole bit - it's just better.

For the official release of Froyo to screw you into wanting Eclair back - they'd have to really be smoking strange stuff to do that to you.

(That did happen to early-Froyo Pandora users, so never say never - but at this point - Froyo's just better.)

And I may be rooted - but I am running the *stock* distribution of my rom. Just rooted, so I could lose the bloatware.
 
>>> Every update fixes something, and breaks something else that requires yet another maintenance upgrade.

True, but some companies react better than others to address needs. Samsung ain't one of them.

>>> Overall, I predict that a few people won't notice, but the majority will really appreciate the faster running apps, better copy&paste, Flash, better app management (running from SD card, better runtime control) - the whole bit - it's just better.

Agree.

>>> For the official release of Froyo to screw you into wanting Eclair back - they'd have to really be smoking strange stuff to do that to you. (That did happen to early-Froyo Pandora users, so never say never - but at this point - Froyo's just better.)

Microsoft, too, accomplished this feat with Vista, with a sizeable number of users making a U-Turn back to XP.

>>> Nah, c'mon! The glass is half-full. :)

With Samsung? Who's smoking what? ;)
 
Jack45 said:
>>> For the official release of Froyo to screw you into wanting Eclair back - they'd have to really be smoking strange stuff to do that to you. (That did happen to early-Froyo Pandora users, so never say never - but at this point - Froyo's just better.)

Microsoft, too, accomplished this feat with Vista, with a sizeable number of users making a U-Turn back to XP.
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Yeah - with Froyo working properly on the Nexus and the Evo, and Gingerbread working properly on the Nexus S - I'm not sure I'd buy that analogy.

Microsoft is to Windows as Google is to Android - and Google's record is good.

It's the value-added parts that you're questioning or ought be.

In such a case, then the comparison would be... what? Like Dell is to Windows as Samsung is to Android? I think it'd be like that.
 
You make a valid point. For that, I hope the seltzer goes down a pair of your khaki pants for the world to see.
 
Jack45 said:
You make a valid point. For that, I hope the seltzer goes down a pair of your khaki pants for the world to see.
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Smart older dude once told me, "You only walk through life once - wear the big shoes!"

By the time I realized he didn't mean clown shoes, it was too late.

Seriously though - anything's possible, but I'm pulling for you guys, and hoping your official Froyo update comes asap.
 
Talked to an AT&T rep at Fry's Electronics yesterday and he said what I have seen before. AT&T has Froyo and is testing it. This usually takes 4 to 6 weeks. He said he didn't know how long they have had it. Soooo just more to speculate about.
 
EarlyMon said:
If they put as much effort into GPS as they do protecting their phoney baloney Android add-ons, you'd have location accuracy to the centimeter in your basement..
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Sorry but that wouldn't be possible. The US military inserts a random error into the GPS signal so that the accuracy is always off by several meters. Only the military has recievers with "centimeter" accuracy. Not to mention the fact that the gps signal isn't strong enough to penetrate most buildings....a basement would be pretty impossible.
 
DoctorWu said:
Sorry but that wouldn't be possible.
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WELCOME TO THE FORUMS!

Yeah, I know, I wrote some of the GPS software for both SPACECOMs and STRATCOM. ;)

I was just exaggerating the point about the carrier/makers' priorities w.r.t. bloatware vs. giving you mission-suitable updates and mission-effective defect corrections.

But, yes, you are 100% correct - GPS has practical real-world limits.

I apologize for and regret any confusion created by my hyperbole.

PS - Great handle.
 
DoctorWu said:
Sorry but that wouldn't be possible. The US military inserts a random error into the GPS signal so that the accuracy is always off by several meters. Only the military has recievers with "centimeter" accuracy. Not to mention the fact that the gps signal isn't strong enough to penetrate most buildings....a basement would be pretty impossible.
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Sorry but that is also wrong. We have a trimble (that we paid dearly for) that has 2cm accuracy (down to 2mm with augmentation from prisms we can set up) that we have had for at least three years. We use it for cataloging bone beds and bison kills from the Archaic and Folsom periods... The technology is there and is not military only any more
 
s.m.knipe said:
Sorry but that is also wrong. We have a trimble (that we paid dearly for) that has 2cm accuracy (down to 2mm with augmentation from prisms we can set up) that we have had for at least three years. We use it for cataloging bone beds and bison kills from the Archaic and Folsom periods... The technology is there and is not military only any more
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Clinton decreed that L3 accuracy be made available for civilian use - that's entirely true. (Made me bite my back molars for a solid week!)

But it is true that you're not to expect the accuracy you describe from an aGPS system built into a cell phone, in your basement, so you're both right.

(edit and ps - Sounds like you do some interesting stuff! And I wasn't aware of those refinements. Our accuracy needs were - less demanding... But, cool!)
 
Some very interesting discussions in this thread. Its a shame that from the outside looking in this looks like a very generic thread. This is definitely one of the better threads I have found on here.
 
Shelbster said:
Some very interesting discussions in this thread. Its a shame that from the outside looking in this looks like a very generic thread. This is definitely one of the better threads I have found on here.
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I know exactly what it's like to be waiting for Froyo, trying to solve problems, and using what time you can spare focusing in your phone's forum.

BUT - AndroidForums.com, just like Android itself, draws some really amazing people.

I urge surfing up to our home link, and trying the Lounge, Android Lounge, Android News & Talk, Android Applications - and even some of the "competing" phone forums/subforums - especially those that have made the transition to Froyo already.

You'll find a lot of amazing talent here and lots of interesting discussions that can really help you craft a better Android experience with your phone (as well as some happy time-wasters with the forum games in the Lounge).

Cheers!
 
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