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Apple and other mega-corporations and the U.S. economy

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Tommy78 said:
If you ask me, Apple seems to know how to run a business properly and handle money well, maybe they should take over as our new government? The government should be paying Apple to teach them how to run things properly. I wouldn't give the government one more dine if I could help it.
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The gubberment could overthrow over Apple like they took over GM.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Seen this?

Apple has more cash than Uncle Sam?

As if some of you were not allready ticked off enough. Comments, anyone?
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My comment/opinion:

That's because a lot (note I did not say all) of our politicians care more about themselves, and getting re elected than to actually care about the welfare of the US citizens and country as a whole... and fail to properly manage the country's finances as a result.

IE: giving massive bailouts to big corporations that screwed up.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Seen this?

Apple has more cash than Uncle Sam?

As if some of you were not allready ticked off enough. Comments, anyone?
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Why do I have the suspicion that if it was an oil, chemical, pharmaceutical company, people would be going ape**** over it rather than passing it off as a somewhat comical curiosity?

But doesn't Uncle Sam have -13trillion or so right now, so if anyone has a penny to their name they have more cash than Uncle Sam? What about the gold repositories?

Oh and all the people saying the Gov should be replaced by Apple (been reading it a lot on comments and even heard in mainstream news). You think we live in Big Brother times now? I don't want to be treated like Apple treats their idevices, even if they are shiny and good-looking.
 
trackball said:
Why do I have the suspicion that if it was an oil, chemical, pharmaceutical company, people would be going ape**** over it rather than passing it off as a somewhat comical curiosity?

But doesn't Uncle Sam have -13trillion or so right now, so if anyone has a penny to their name they have more cash than Uncle Sam? What about the gold repositories?

Oh and all the people saying the Gov should be replaced by Apple (been reading it a lot on comments and even heard in mainstream news). You think we live in Big Brother times now? I don't want to be treated like Apple treats their idevices, even if they are shiny and good-looking.
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Comical curiosity? Are you referring to Apple of Uncle Sam?

Relax, Apple wont take over the US Government.
 
trackball said:

Oh and all the people saying the Gov should be replaced by Apple
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Not sure where you've been hearing that, but if you heard it here from me, it was supposed to be funny. It's just that they seem to be doing a better job running things than the Government does or probably ever will. There are some small comparisons to make there but the comment was really nothing serious.
 
JimmyRayBob said:
i'm still looking for that elusive article showing a cause / effect between outsourcing and higher executive pay. Can't seem to find it yet ....

maybe wikipedia can help???
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I'm still waiting on that elusive product where the cost to the end user was lowered to the and user because of outsourcing.
 
nlsme said:
I'm still waiting on that elusive product where the cost to the end user was lowered to the and user because of outsourcing.
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Let's keep this REAL SIMPLE: Does outsourcing goods / service lower the cost of making a product (not selling - MAKING A PRODUCT)????

If not, then WHY DO THEY DO IT????????????????????????

If yes, then outsourcing contributes to LOWERING THE COST OF MAKING THE PRODUCT.
 
JimmyRayBob said:
Let's keep this REAL SIMPLE: Does outsourcing goods / service lower the cost of making a product (not selling - MAKING A PRODUCT)????

If not, then WHY DO THEY DO IT????????????????????????

If yes, then outsourcing contributes to LOWERING THE COST OF MAKING THE PRODUCT.
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I never said it doesn't lower the cost of MAKING the product. I said that savings is not passed along to the consumer, instead it is redirected into the paychecks of the execs. That is why I said I am waiting on that elusive product that got cheaper to the END USER due to outsourcing.....
 
this is pointless ... the billions of dollars "saved" by outsourcing does not entirely end up in the pocket of the executive. You want proof of a product that has lowered prices ... i want proof of YOUR point.

Again -here's a simple question: if magically DELL was forced by law to provide US Based tech support - would the cost of their computers go UP???
 
JimmyRayBob said:
this is pointless ... the billions of dollars "saved" by outsourcing does not entirely end up in the pocket of the executive. You want proof of a product that has lowered prices ... i want proof of YOUR point.

Again -here's a simple question: if magically DELL was forced by law to provide US Based tech support - would the cost of their computers go UP???
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Either the price of the computers would go up, OR the pay to the execs would go down. Either way, it wont happen. You want proof of my point, look at how the execs pay has increased 100 fold over the las two decades. Or, disprove it, by showing JUST ONE product where the price went down to the CONSUMER after it was outsourced.
 
nlsme said:
Either the price of the computers would go up, OR the pay to the execs would go down. Either way, it wont happen. You want proof of my point, look at how the execs pay has increased 100 fold over the las two decades. Or, disprove it, by showing JUST ONE product where the price went down to the CONSUMER after it was outsourced.
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How would you justify cutting an executives pay after he has just increased profits by outsourcing? The board hires the exec to increase profits. He does that. Then he asks for a pay increase. On what grounds are you going to turn him down? Profits are up and it is directly related to his actions.
 
A.Nonymous said:
How would you justify cutting an executives pay after he has just increased profits by outsourcing? The board hires the exec to increase profits. He does that. Then he asks for a pay increase. On what grounds are you going to turn him down? Profits are up and it is directly related to his actions.
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Glad to see that we are in agreement that the only people that benefits from outsourcing are execs, and not the consumer.....
 
nlsme said:
Glad to see that we are in agreement that the only people that benefits from outsourcing are execs, and not the consumer.....
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No, we don't, because it's not as simple as that. Saying that outsourcing is done only to raise executive pay is a ridiculous oversimplification. Outsourcing brings in more revenue for the company. The company does not take every single penny of this revenue and give it to their execs as you seem to claim, but maybe I'm misunderstanding you and I apologize if I am.

Outsourcing means the company cuts their costs significantly. The companies use the money they save from outsourcing to develop new products, hire specialized workers, do advertising, offer better benefits to attract better workers, increase efficiency, etc..... All of these things lead to more profits. You make it out like the company saves X dollars and takes every single penny of that and gives it to their exec. It's not even close to being that simple. Again, perhaps I misunderstand you.

But none of this invalidates my point and the point that others have made that if you stop outsourcing today, the end result is going to be a higher costs of goods and services. The company is not going to respond by lowering CEO pay. Profits for the company will go down which will make stockholders like me very upset. We stockholders will demand that profits go back up. The CEO will then raise prices on goods/service, cut employees, cut the R&D budget (which stifles innovation BTW) and cut other operating costs which will drive profits back up. Then he'll ask for a pay raise because he brought profits up. Meanwhile, unemployment is up because people have lost their jobs in cost cutting measures and the cost of living has gone up for everyone. That is the reality.
 
My point was simply that outsourcing does not make a product cheaper TO THE END USER as others have claimed. I aso pointed out that executive pay has increased 100 fold since companies started outsourcing. It may be an "over simplification", but it is accurate, and has yet to be disproven.
 
nlsme said:
My point was simply that outsourcing does not make a product cheaper TO THE END USER as others have claimed. I aso pointed out that executive pay has increased 100 fold since companies started outsourcing. It may be an "over simplification", but it is accurate, and has yet to be disproven.
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The iPhone was announced in January of 2007 and released in June of 2007. The stock market was trading at around 13,000 to 14,000. After the iPhone was released the stock market plummeted and went down to 6,600 in March of 2009. Android 1.6 (Cupcake) was released in April of 2009. Since then the market has rebounded and is now back over 12,000. The iPhone caused the market to crash and the release of Cupcake caused it to rebound. That is an accurate statement right? Or is there a correlation but no causation at all?
 
I can give you several examples of a product that was cheaper to the end user due to outsourcing........ EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT THAT HAS BEEN OUTSOURCED.......... companies are faced with an option..... outsource or raise prices....... so by outsourcing and leaving the prices at the same level they are cheaper to the end user........ cheaper than it would have been had they not outsourced and just raised the price instead.........surely you could have figured this out on your own........ I guess common sense isnt that common anymore
 
I love how everyone is saying I am wrong, yet completely unable to provide a single product that has results in the cost to the end user going down. Love it.....
 
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