JimmyRayBob
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Why not? Because the cost of components ALSO has fallen? Damn ... i thought they outsourced the tech support just to tick me off.
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Why not? Because the cost of components ALSO has fallen? Damn ... i thought they outsourced the tech support just to tick me off.
Computers do NOT fit. A low end computer in 1980 was five hundred dollars. It was called a calculater. Computers of today are not cheaper, they are just more powerful It has NOTHING to do with outsourcing. It has everything to do with Moore's law. Computers do NOT fit......
JimmyRayBob
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Here is a very simple question. If congress said to Dell / HP - you MUST bring tech support back to the United States - what would happen to the price of their $500 computer? Would it stay the same? Remember, the cost to provide that computer just went UP and they still want to pay their CEO his exorbitant salary.
Related Question. Is oursourced tech support cheaper than U.S. based tech support?
Related Question. Is oursourced tech support cheaper than U.S. based tech support?
JimmyRayBob
Android Enthusiast
Computers come with tech support, right? I'll assume you will answer YES to this.
Tech support is a cost of making / providing that computer, right? Again, I assume the answer is YES.
Outsourced Tech support is cheaper than U.S. based tech support, right? Once again, yes is the answer or else no one would OUTSOURCE ANYTHING.
So ... outsourced tech support easily contributes to lowering the cost of the computer.
(the fact that $500 buys you more computer today than a year ago is completely irrelevant)
Tech support is a cost of making / providing that computer, right? Again, I assume the answer is YES.
Outsourced Tech support is cheaper than U.S. based tech support, right? Once again, yes is the answer or else no one would OUTSOURCE ANYTHING.
So ... outsourced tech support easily contributes to lowering the cost of the computer.
(the fact that $500 buys you more computer today than a year ago is completely irrelevant)
JimmyRayBob
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Why do companies OUTSOURCE anything?
Mostly Harmless
Android Expert
Illegal immigrant workers should donate some money to help the US economy...aka taxes... It's esitmated that there are 11 million illegal immigrants current in the US and even if they paid $1000 a year toward taxes it would equal $11 billion dollars (mind you I pay a heck of a lot more then $1000). That would go a long way.
Exactly, they still WANT to pay their execs their exorbitant salary. Are you starting to get it yet?
No, the outsourcing does not contribute to the low cost of a computer. It contributes ONLY to the inflated pay to the execs.
JimmyRayBob
Android Enthusiast
Right ... they want to pay the execs the HUGE salaries. So if the cost of tech support was raised by requiring it to be based in the U.S., would the cost of the computer go up???
The cost of components has NOT fallen to the end user. The savings the company sees from outsourcing is not passed along to the end user. It is passed along to the execs.
JimmyRayBob
Android Enthusiast
That has to be one of the most outlandish things i have read in a long time.
Cut the cost of a product .... and the only thing that happens is the executives make more money. Is that what you are saying? Prices NEVER, EVER, go down? On anything?
Not because of outsourcing. No. You have still failed to prove me wrong.
noah way
Android Enthusiast
FORCED to leave? LOL. Looking for maximum profit: cheapest labor, no environmental restrictions, tax free profits from overseas "investment". Competition can be a cause too, but mostly because everyone else is outsourcing ...
When profits are too high competition is stifled through monopolistic practices financed by those high profits (how can we make more money?). Microsoft is a good example, and their high profits haven't prevented them from outsourcing jobs.
noah way
Android Enthusiast
Businesses expand and contract based on response to business conditions. If demand for your your business justifies it, then you have the opportunity to employ more people. This would provide a direct benefit to people who need work and it would fuel the economy.
To say you are not going to expand your business for partisan political reasons is absurd, and could be considered unpatriotic and anti-American.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
Well they would have options. Drop the pay of execs, or go bust. In the current climate, no way in hell they would drop their pay. If that i their only realistic option... that's another story.
noah way
Android Enthusiast
Forget that you can't understand what the Indian tech support guy is saying because of this thick Hindi accent (tankoo foo colling Dell teek soopor, ow may I elp oo?).
By your argument cheap is always better, even at the cost of the domestic economy and American jobs.
Why wouldn't it be better to have more expensive domestically produced products and import protections to prevent cheap foreign goods from undercutting them? We'd have full employment and high tax revenue.
mrspeedmaster
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There is so much misinformation in this thread.
1) Steve Job's compensation is $1 a year plus stock.
He doesn't run Apple for the money. It is more pride and personal passion than anything.
2) Apple has assets of 76 billion dollars in the bank. Not revenue.
Apple Now Has More Cash Than The U.S. Government (AAPL)
3) The corporate suits are fairly worth their money. Timothy Cook deserves to be paid a whole lot more than what he is making. He is the financial and operational brains of the company; securing component deals that saves Apples billions a year and under-cuts their competitors. Heck, if I was on the board, I would constantly want to reward him everytime APPL exceeds quarterly and yearly earnings.
1) Steve Job's compensation is $1 a year plus stock.
He doesn't run Apple for the money. It is more pride and personal passion than anything.
2) Apple has assets of 76 billion dollars in the bank. Not revenue.
Apple Now Has More Cash Than The U.S. Government (AAPL)
3) The corporate suits are fairly worth their money. Timothy Cook deserves to be paid a whole lot more than what he is making. He is the financial and operational brains of the company; securing component deals that saves Apples billions a year and under-cuts their competitors. Heck, if I was on the board, I would constantly want to reward him everytime APPL exceeds quarterly and yearly earnings.
cds0699
Android Expert
I don't believe this.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
source:
Apple CEO Steve Jobs' 2010 Compensation: Still $1
Steve Jobs Still Makes A $1 Salary - Techland - TIME.com
Apple CEO Steve Jobs' 2010 Salary Remains $1 - FoxNews.com
Steve Jobs? salary in 2007: $1 - Business - US business - msnbc.com
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He is at-will. He doesn't have a severance or a golden parachute package.
cds0699
Android Expert
I stand corrected on the salary, but he holds a substantial share in Apples stock... so to say "he doesn't run Apple for the money" doesn't seem entirely accurate to me.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
He has not excercised any of his stocks since his return in the late 1990s. He has not cashed not one single share.
Apple Stocks pays no dividends. He makes zero $$ until he excercise his right to sell. He hasn't. The guy is about to die. Wouldn't you think he would convert those shares to some money by now?
He has is money from Pixar. He is on the board of Disney.
There was articles and interviews in the early 2000s chronicling his motivation for Apple.
You have to remember he was booted out of his own company that he created in a garage. He was kicked out and left in refuge. When he returned, Apple was in shambles.
He took his $1 salary from day-one. Times magazine or somebody called it "The prodigal father returns to save his son" There has been books and article painting a picture of a guy determine to prove to the world something. It is a personal brinkmanship against his peers - Ellison, Bill Gates.
He was mocked by Michael Dell and industry pundits.
For him, returning to apple and making it rise from the grave was more personal passion than anything.
I clearly remember when Apple shares were $6-7. When the first imac was launched.
Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
Wow.
cds0699
Android Expert
Fair enough
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Why not? This is common knowledge and easily verified by the ten billion web sites that report it as well as the Annual Report and other Apple documentation.
Bob Maxey
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Do what I will do: have a beer, unsubscribe from the thread, or skim the questions/answers posted by certain people participating in the threat and have a beer.
Some people simply do not understand topics like these and it is best to jump ship to avoid saying something you will not regret but moderators might.
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