Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Could you please explain how the rich are stealing from the poor?
I would be interested in knowing how I steal from the poor as well. Bet it is a woozy of an explanation.
Bob Maxey
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I would be interested in knowing how I steal from the poor as well. Bet it is a woozy of an explanation.
Bob Maxey
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
compared to western european welfare (I know it varies state to state)
there will always be lazy people who wont work, no matter how little money they get from the state, or disabled people
In Ireland we have very high social welfare rates, and during the boom we had a massive labour shortage and less than 5% unemployment, mostly disabled etc people
Of course the state does not provide fully free education or other subsidies, so our system is not a whole lot more generous than the UK's
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
And all these years I thought theft was taking without asking?
you can ask at the point of gun, its still theft
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
OK mr semantics.
Please explain. Which parts of our welfare system do you find measly?
Vihzel
Destroying Balls Everyday
Like piracy?
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
are you refering to unemployement or welfare. two complketey diff animals
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
unemployment benefit for cutoffs, and both with regards to monetary amounts
and wasnt the federal government supposed to leave benefits to states after '96?
lunameow
Well-Known Member
The point of welfare phones makes sense. It's hard to get a job if you can't be reached by potential employers (I know when I was laid off from a previous job, my phone bill was one of the first things I get paid to make sure I'd be able to find a new job). But it's like everything else in our welfare system; the intent is good, but it's horribly abused. I don't think the solution is to get rid of it, but it definitely needs to be more limited.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Only if you mean it in its real definition and not the riaa's definition
So what is the RIAA definition of piracy? Perhaps I am just a big, old, dummy, but I am always interested in comparing the RIAA definition with the views of this planet's anonymous posters with my definition.
Bob
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Perhaps these Welfare Phones can come with restrictions. They should be offered only through the welfare department and to continue service, you must prove you are seeking a job. Zero excuses. Try to get a job and we will help you with a cell phone. You can call and you can get calls and that's it.
Fail to do your part for this tax supported handout program and no more phone no matter how bad you need it. These phones come with three months of service then they die.
Basic calling only and absolutely no data or other text services. No email, just the ability to send and receive calls.
One WP per family.
Also, it must be printed with a big red "WP" for welfare phone. I love the look of scarlet colored letters, so red is fine. And it must be ugly as hell so they are motivated to getting a job and therefore, a better phone.
Or perhaps this: NO PHONE and those that can't make it, go to the Soylent Green Factory. We simply accept that they are lazy and they made their bed so now, they must lie in it. We seem to find all sorts of plans and programs for the poor and we justify it many different ways and berfore we know it, we have all sorts of perks that empower these layabouts (sp?) to lay about generation after generation.
To be fair, it is getting harder to locate payphones. At least here in Utah. So perhaps I'll concede and say yes to phones for those in need.
Bob
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
The RIAA calls anytime they don't get paid for someone listening to a song piracy. I disagree with that
lordofthereef
Android Expert
I hadn't heard of this. So, why, exactly, is this sort of thing in place? I am FAR from rich (still a student spending more than I am making if you consider student loans), but I still don't see how a cell pone is deamed a necessity.
wakeboarder
Newbie
I feel like I'm going to get a blasting, but being from Australia I'm a tad confused how there was so much opposition to a health care system (which to me seems something that would be necessary) and I didn't hear anything on the news about any opposition to giving mobile phones out (what I would consider a luxury).
Yup, they do exist, and I feel that they are given away too easily. There is already a program of lifeline for people in low income families for a house phone. I could see a cell phone maybe for someone who's homeless (how will they charge it?). But you get people with house phones that they're paying for getting a free cell phone.
Really? The "rich" term that you're buying into, include people that are doctors and stuff, my friend's dad manages a hospital electronic department (not sure the exact specifics of it), but he makes around 140k before taxes. What he takes home is around 85k.
It really irks me when people stereotype everyone that makes more than themselves. I personally don't make much (<10k), but someone that is hardworking and does things correctly should get benefits for what they do. I don't see why a person that bums around all day should make the same as someone that has applied themselves in life.
As opposed to the rich, who steal from everyone and...try to keep it all for themselves?
Really? The "rich" term that you're buying into, include people that are doctors and stuff, my friend's dad manages a hospital electronic department (not sure the exact specifics of it), but he makes around 140k before taxes. What he takes home is around 85k.
It really irks me when people stereotype everyone that makes more than themselves. I personally don't make much (<10k), but someone that is hardworking and does things correctly should get benefits for what they do. I don't see why a person that bums around all day should make the same as someone that has applied themselves in life.
Because someone is rich that means they stole it? Really? What are you in 3rd grade or something? Also, define rich. How much money makes one rich? Who decides this and why do they get to decide? Also, no matter how much or little someone has, as long as it was made legally, who are you to demand they give it to anyone? Liberals!!!!!! Sheeesh. Oh and another thing, if health care insurance is so important to liberals why have they not been going to someone in their neighbor hood and pay for their medical expenses and meds or maybe that lifesaving surgery thats needed? Or why have they not bought them a nice insurance policy for them, to help out these poor people? I have yet to see one liberal pay for any of their pie in the sky pipe dreams ,first, out of their pocket, but yet want everyone else to do so.... all you liberals who think this is a good idea, you pay first, lets see you put your money where your mouth is first.
Ok, Im done.
Ok, Im done.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
wait... so you would end up with a cheaper, more efficient system... and you would hate that because... because why?
people are agains the hc because they dont want to pay for what someone else wants. 47% of americans pay no taxes. half of these get money fromt he goverment, and want more.
people that find a good job with healthcare may be taxed on that helathcare. they would then drop it and get on the goverment.
more money needed taxes go up.
IF, a big if, everyone paid something in taxes then maybe things could would be diff.
please explain how the gov running healtcare would make it cheaper and better?
they cant run the post office and even break even.
Nothing the government does is cheaper or more efficient.