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Wow! A critical post that isn't trolling or flaming? I must be on the wrong internet :)

Allenfx raises some very valid questions. While there's a huge "cool" factor to the notebook dock, I don't think it will appeal to most consumers. But I don't think it was intended to. I suspect that Motorola originally had a vision of the Atrix being a business phone. You see hints of that in the Airport security commercial, but for whatever reason, they've not yet really focused their marketing in that direction.

To really understand the point of the webtop+dock, note that in the CES presentation they showed how Firefox in the webtop could use Citrix to provide access to a full Windows desktop experience. Current server virtualization trends favor companies replacing desktops with nettops that provide little more than a web browser. To CIOs who currently need to provide employees with a phone and a PC/laptop that is only used to gain web access to the virtual corporate computing resources, Atrix plus dock could provide a lower cost solution. While this consolidation only slightly reduces acquisition cost (nettops/netbooks are dirt cheap), it cuts maintenance costs in half because IT only has to support one device instead of two.

But I'm not a CIO, so the Atrix has me really conflicted. While I love the idea of the docks, I can't see it replacing my Thinkpad, or my desktop, or my home theatre PC. And as a "pure" smartphone, I'm not sure how it will stack up.


Once again you guys are missing the point on the dock, its not intended to replace your Thinkpad, your desktop or my MacBook air they even said this on several demo videos from CES. I can see it replacing your netbook or you iPad.
 
Ok so if you are using the readers here on this forum as a barometer to gauge who will buy the laptop dock and other accessories then just look at the poll here Android Forums - View Poll Results and here http://androidforums.com/motorola-atrix-4g/265668-if-you-had-pick-one-dock-would-you-choose.html

im using the general public not just the readers on this forum, there are many people i know that have told me they wont buy the accessories even some who want to buy the phone. Sometimes it seems that your trying to justify to yourself the purchase of this phone my man
 
im using the general public not just the readers on this forum, there are many people i know that have told me they wont buy the accessories even some who want to buy the phone. Sometimes it seems that your trying to justify to yourself the purchase of this phone my man

I'm going to buy the phone and that hasn't change since I 1st saw it. Do you know how many Android users there are, the people you know are not the masses and from the polls I've posted shows people are interested in the Laptop Dock and accessories. This phone may not be for you or others but there is buzz and excitement for this phone and its accessories and a lot of people want and will buy this phone regardless if the bootloader is locked or not.
 
I'm going to buy the phone and that hasn't change since I 1st saw it. Do you know how many Android users there are, the people you know are not the masses and from the polls I posted shows people are interested in the Laptop Dock and accessories. This phone may not be for you or others but there is buzz and excitement for this phone and its accessories and a lot of people want and will buy this phone regardless if the bootloader is locked or not.

Dude no offense but do you know people have the right to their opinions and just because yours is different doesnt make it the right one? You see the general public like yourself . I dont the average person out there has no clue wtf is going on with tech thats why apple rules the tech world they like things that are easy and childlike. These are the facts im using to make my assumptions the average smartphone user isnt that smart thats why BB are still around. The average user which is the biggest chunk of the population wont know the difference between dual core, single core or an apple core( pun intended LOL ) They are clueless when it comes to ram and or memory, most of them use their smartphones for email and never use data even! The people on this forum for the most part are not the average user thats why we are on an enthusiast forum. Just look at the many android forums they are comprised of many the same members. What does that tell you that the average people dont know we or the tech we talk about exists. they just buy a phone and use it
 
Since pretty much everything I do at home or at work is across a network I think that laptop dock will be useful, especially if I can remote back to my main workstation.

Yes, I can definitely see it not being a smash hit with everyone. But at the same time I don't think that it will be completely useless. Especially for users that can leverage an enterprise Citrix solution behind it.
 
Dude no offense but do you know people have the right to their opinions and just because yours is different doesnt make it the right one? You see the general public like yourself . I dont the average person out there has no clue wtf is going on with tech thats why apple rules the tech world they like things that are easy and childlike. These are the facts im using to make my assumptions the average smartphone user isnt that smart thats why BB are still around. The average user which is the biggest chunk of the population wont know the difference between dual core, single core or an apple core( pun intended LOL ) They are clueless when it comes to ram and or memory, most of them use their smartphones for email and never use data even! The people on this forum for the most part are not the average user thats why we are on an enthusiast forum. Just look at the many android forums they are comprised of many the same members. What does that tell you that the average people dont know we or the tech we talk about exists. they just buy a phone and use it

By no means have I said I was right just stating my opinion and some facts. Now the people on this forum are not the average user and are generally more informed. That being siad more people than not on this forum will buy the laptop dock, the same is true on Android Central's forum 53% will buy the multimedia dock and 54% will buy the laptop according to a poll there. The average shopper are impulse shoppers and the Atrix with its new shinny docks will appeal to those users, the Inspire not so much because it hasn't had a comercial, a demo and hasn't been seen by the general public.
 
By no means have I said I was right just stating my opinion and some facts. Now the people on this forum are not the average user and are generally more informed. That being siad more people than not on this forum will buy the laptop dock, the same is true on Android Central's forum 53% will buy the multimedia dock and 54% will buy the laptop according to a poll there. The average shopper are impulse shoppers and the Atrix with its new shinny docks will appeal to those users, the Inspire not so much because it hasn't had a comercial, a demo and hasn't been seen by the general public.


Ps. If you add up all those people they don't make a quarter of the sales they are projecting for.the atrix or a dent in the general population ;)
 
I think the reason everyone is so excited about the laptop dock is the fact that it's one of the phones great features (not saying that it doesn't have other great features). But it's got everyone excited and thats why everyone is the Atrix forum.
I know that if the Atrix had no docking options at all, I wouldn't even consider buying it.
 
Without getting into the back and forth between atl and andrea (i didnt even read most of it..lol).

Let me establish a few more points. I have been traveling Mon-Fri for buisness for the last 10 years. So i do know a few things about packing light and selecting what one does and does not take with them wisely. One might say...i have "above average" first hand experience in that area. Fair enough?

One of the hospitals i consult with does have such a citrix webportal...meaning this thing would fully work on that hospitals system, no lap top needed.

However, at the end of my work session, i log out of that system and do a plethora of things that this lap top dock WILL NOT DO.

1) Monitor my logitech home security cameras using Microsoft Silver light (i am almost 100% sure this thing wont have silverlight).

2) Watch net flix streaming movies (android is still waiting for that).

3)Rip DVDs to the desk top to side load them onto my phone or gtab (no DVD drive)

4) Play video games all the way up to the level of Doom3/UT3004/half Life 2/Left for dead. (even tegra II cant tackle those yet).

5)Manage about 80Gs worth of storage for pictures/video and music.


You get the point..

For what is competiting for space in my suit case or lap top bag, this thing is not EVEN in the running for what it can do....and (as i said), i know something about the traveling mobile world.... I am VERY motivated in life to have fewer/smarter gadgets that do MORE with less (MORE so than the average person).

Seriously, i want a smarter phone with a LARGER (larger because i do MORE websurfing from a phone than the average person and larger IS better.....same resolution or not)..(remember 15 inch monitors that were 800x600 resolution...yes they worked fine) screen (would especially consider the infuse), not a phone with a smaller screen that requires me to carry MORE stuff with me to see its full potential.


Wow! A critical post that isn't trolling or flaming? I must be on the wrong internet :)

Allenfx raises some very valid questions. While there's a huge "cool" factor to the notebook dock, I don't think it will appeal to most consumers. But I don't think it was intended to. I suspect that Motorola originally had a vision of the Atrix being a business phone. You see hints of that in the Airport security commercial, but for whatever reason, they've not yet really focused their marketing in that direction.

To really understand the point of the webtop+dock, note that in the CES presentation they showed how Firefox in the webtop could use Citrix to provide access to a full Windows desktop experience. Current server virtualization trends favor companies replacing desktops with nettops that provide little more than a web browser. To CIOs who currently need to provide employees with a phone and a PC/laptop that is only used to gain web access to the virtual corporate computing resources, Atrix plus dock could provide a lower cost solution. While this consolidation only slightly reduces acquisition cost (nettops/netbooks are dirt cheap), it cuts maintenance costs in half because IT only has to support one device instead of two.
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EUREKA!

I see this as being a HUGE selling point of the atrix. If i were running a mid-sized company that hosted a citrix web portal..i would be STRONGLY looking at these devices.

Motorola would do well to start pushing this angle..i think it is fantastic!

Now for the guys who kept telling me "i dont get it" I think i have established by now that i do travel extensively and am all about doing more with less (not sure how that makes me in the "don't get it" crowd?).


However aside from my complete lack of use for carrying something that does less work and hamstrings me...i see one other valid point for this device (no it would not be a good thing for a kid going off to college AT ALL).

If i wanted a cheap phone and web-only type option for a 14-18 year old who already didnt have a lap top...i would be STRONGLY considering this for them. In fact...assuming these catch on...this is exactly what i would buy for 10 year old in 3 to 4 years time for his first set up. (see..i am not a hater, i just see the "big picture").

Be cautioned, i think those of you who think this will be your one device does all answer may be sorely dissappointed the first time you press a link that runs MS silverlight or has some functionality your android 2.2 phone does not support because you were thinking you had a lap top.. That $150.00 would definately be better spent going towards a netbook unless you are ONLY buying this for LIGHT web browsing or as a fancy (and expensive) interface into your phone (which is how i see it). So no..it wont be "replacing" a netbook..or ANY type of lap top device for that matter. It might be a fun gadget to supplement things, but most likely after 3 or 4 months it will wind up collecting dust in the bottom of your closet and you quietly won't be posting on the subject any more because you feel embarrassed about the wasted money. (thats how i see it going if i bought one).

Don't think Silverlight should be part of the discussion because you have no special equipment that requires it? Go try and watch the latest and greatest xbox game trailer without it and get back to me at how pissed off you are that it doesn't run. (same reason i am ditching iphone (adobe flash for watching news clips etc.).
 
Basically in the end... if it's good for your needs, then it's great. If it doesn't fulfill your needs, then it's not.
 
Without getting into the back and forth between atl and andrea (i didnt even read most of it..lol).

Let me establish a few more points. I have been traveling Mon-Fri for buisness for the last 10 years. So i do know a few things about packing light and selecting what one does and does not take with them wisely. One might say...i have "above average" first hand experience in that area. Fair enough?

One of the hospitals i consult with does have such a citrix webportal...meaning this thing would fully work on that hospitals system, no lap top needed.

However, at the end of my work session, i log out of that system and do a plethora of things that this lap top dock WILL NOT DO.

1) Monitor my logitech home security cameras using Microsoft Silver light (i am almost 100% sure this thing wont have silverlight).

2) Watch net flix streaming movies android is still waiting for that).

3)Rip DVDs to the desk top to side load them onto my phone or gtab (no DVD drive)

4) Play video games all the way up to the level of Doom3/UT3004/half Life 2/Left for dead. (even tegra II cant tackle those yet).

5)Manage about 80Gs worth of storage for pictures/video and music.


You get the point..

For what is competiting for space in my suit case or lap top bag, this thing is not EVEN in the running for what it can do....and (as i said), i know something about the traveling mobile world.... I am VERY motivated in life to have fewer/smarter gadgets that do MORE with less (MORE so than the average person).

Seriously, i want a smarter phone with a LARGER (larger because i do MORE websurfing from a phone than the average person and larger IS better.....same resolution or not..(remember 15 inch monitors that were 800x600 resolution...yes they worked fine) screen (would especially consider the infuse), not a phone with a smaller screen that requires me to carry MORE stuff with me to see its full potential.





EUREKA!

I see this as being a HUGE selling point of the atrix. If i were running a mid-sized company that hosted a citrix web portal..i would be STRONGLY looking at these devices.

Motorola would do well to start pushing this angle..i think it is fantastic!

Now for the guys who kept telling me "i dont get it" I think i have established by now that i do travel extensively and am all about doing more with less (not sure how that makes me in the "don't get it" crowd?).


However aside from my complete lack of use for carrying something that does less work and hamstrings me...i see one other valid point for this device (no it would not be a good thing for a kid going off to college AT ALL).

If i wanted a cheap phone and web-only type option for a 14-18 year old who already didnt have a lap top...i would be STRONGLY considering this for them. In fact...assuming these catch on...this is exactly what i would by my 10 year old in 3 to 4 years time for his first set up. (see..i am not a hater, i just see the "big picture").

Be cautioned, i think those of you who think this will be your one device does all answer may be sorely dissappointed the first time you press a link that runs MS silverlight or has some functionality your android 2.2 phone does not support because you were thinking you had a lap top.. That $150.00 would definately be better spent going towards a netbook unless you are ONLY buying this for LIGHT web browsing or as a fancy (and expensive) interface into your phone (which is how i see it). So no..it wont be "replacing" a netbook..or ANY time of lap top device for that matter. Dont think Silverlight should be part of the discussion because you have no special equipment that requires it? Go try and watch the latest and greatest xbox game trailer without it and get back to me at how pissed off you are that it doesn't run. (same reason i am ditching iphone (adobe flash for watching news clips etc.).

Ok well just say its not for you. A lot of task performed while traveling can be performed over the web. Google docs for word processing etc... A lot of companies run citrix so its a plus for whoever gets the laptop dock. I can go to gametrailer.com and watch all the xbox trailers I want to on my Android phone now so what makes you think it will not be possible watching it on a full FireFox web browser. No apparently you don't get. Yes I think it can replace a netbook in certain circumstances. You mentioned light web browsing, this is firefox the same browser you have on your Mac or PC.
 
Good post Allen!

I'm with you on several of your can/can't points. The laptop dock (which I'm not considering) definitely falls short on a number of uses, and to be honest, I think most Netbooks fall short (I'm a big advocate of [C]LUV machines over NBs).

I think a more interesting peripheral would be a "tablet dock", basically just a 8-10" display and supplemental battery, which keeps the computing model out of the notebook space, but gives you more reasonable screen real estate (vs. just the phone).
 
Ok well just say its not for you. A lot of task performed while traveling can be performed over the web. Google docs for word processing etc... A lot of companies run citrix so its a plus for whoever gets the laptop dock. I can go to gametrailer.com and watch all the xbox trailers I want to on my Android phone now so what makes you think it will not be possible watching it on a full FireFox web browser. No apparently you don't get. Yes I think it can replace a netbook in certain circumstances. You mentioned light web browsing, this is firefox the same browser you have on your Mac or PC.

Maybe so but the ones that come right to my email inbox directly from xbox live...pressing those particular links renders an error message that you do not have silver light....

Of course you can always hunt for something on youtube and do a search and find it.....but that doesnt help me when i get those emails and just want to press the d*m link and watch it already and then go about my day!

Yes Light web browsing..i mentioned that as a CAPABILITY of the laptop doc...not as something it CANT do. :) (you might have read wrong on that point).



Good post Allen!

I'm with you on several of your can/can't points. The laptop dock (which I'm not considering) definitely falls short on a number of uses, and to be honest, I think most Netbooks fall short (I'm a big advocate of [C]LUV machines over NBs).

I think a more interesting peripheral would be a "tablet dock", basically just a 8-10" display and supplemental battery, which keeps the computing model out of the notebook space, but gives you more reasonable screen real estate (vs. just the phone).


Yes and no..the tablet doc would not be much use to someone who already had a tablet but a good tablet is at minimum $400. Realistically...a good tablet is going to be $650 and up..so.

If your "tablet dock" came in at $150 or less....then yes..i could see that being an attractive option.
 
Yes and no..the tablet doc would not be much use to someone who already had a tablet.

Well, yeah, a peripheral for someone who already owns a standalone device providing the same tech is sort of a given "not much use". I think we have to assume we're filling a device void for the intended buyer. :)


a good tablet is at minimum $400. Realistically...a good tablet is going to be $650 and up..so.

If your "tablet dock" came in at $150 or less....then yes..i could see that being an attractive option.

That's more or less my thoughts on pricing too. *Assuming* the person didn't own a tablet (see above :) ), and it was ~$150 - without a CPU/GPU, storage, and given the NOTbook dock price - this seems reasonable.

I've been carping about the-phone-is-all-of-your-devices type convergence for a few years, so this is more just interesting for me as a technology enthusiast vs. a potential buyer.

When I travel, I generally need a full power notebook, since I tend to lug development tools, servers, etc., for prototype demonstrations, and like a backup beyond just deployment on an external server.

If I'm not prying too much, what kind of medical/healthcare consulting do you do? I'm involved in some clinical analytics (mainly around traumatic injury), have been a PI on a couple of research projects, though my main focus is on the technology support via one of our core products.

It's always interesting to see the wide range of people/backgrounds that merge on boards like this.
 
If I'm not prying too much, what kind of medical/healthcare consulting do you do? I'm involved in some clinical analytics (mainly around traumatic injury), have been a PI on a couple of research projects, though my main focus is on the technology support via one of our core products.

It's always interesting to see the wide range of people/backgrounds that merge on boards like this.

My background is mostly clinical. I worked in ICU for 6 years as an RN and now i do chart audits looking for things like severity of illness, risk of mortality, patient saftey indicators, Medicare and private payer billing rules and exclusions, physician documentation errors, Case mix index, etc etc.

I can not overstate how un-glamourious a life this is. I spend most of my days reading hospital inpatient records, sending and receiving emails, and abstracting data for trending..mixed with the occasional conference call or power point session.

I am "tech saavy" relative to the average cell phone user/lay person...but in relation to someone with an actual IT job (not so much). Unless you count building and over-clocking my own water cooled gaming rig or hacking a gtab to a custom rom, maybe reading the quarterly cpu/gpu engineering update from Tomshardware or anandtech (and understanding maybe 85% of it).

Hopefully that answers the question. :)
 
Thanks for reply, it does!

I imagine I'd get a little worn out on the "road warrior" model. Another of our products (not in the medical sector) is being used by a few agencies up in DC, which necessitates the occasional trip to the north (maybe 4 times a year).

I generally enjoy the trip, getting to hit up some interesting things around the city, especially if the Wifey
 
Try NYC. Did a year there. After that you are ruined for cities. Its like dating Anglina for a year and then being asked to rejoin the dating pool. (Less than interesting).
 
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