Root blackdroid removed for including wares

[blackdroid]

LOL Chevy anounced his AN HOUR AFTER MINE. lol

"I AM NEVER RETURNING TO ALLDROID"

I see now why the Sholes Team (Now DroidMod) and even Taz himself left the site.

I will from hencefrourth be developing at droidforums.net as "the blackdroid"

 

[wasupwithuman]

WOOOOOOW and I did notice he was roaming around my thread yesterday, even a few of my family members that follow the site informed me of this.

Seems kind of fishy huh

If you look at my (now closed forum) you will see that I was the first to announce i was coming out with an ERE25 base.

i agree with you 100% the only reason i used your rom, was because it was different. Hell pete didnt have interactive wallpapers, and yours did. you changed the base before he did, and you started pushing update more regularly then he did. So, I have just started a website. and I am here to offer you with hosting. if you need a place to host your roms (not like a forum, but just a place to host the downloading. i would be more then willing to give you an ftp on my site. I want nothing in return, only that you continue developing some badass roms. A matter of fact that goes for any other developer that has been f***ed over by alldroid. today is the last day i will visit that site. so yeah any developers that need hosting. let me know. if it works out, I might open a new droid forums site, but as for right now I will give any DEV (with recognized work) a free ftp account just let me know. (you will have unlimited space, and unlimited bandwidth.) Thanks to all you devs out there. I appreciate you all.

 

[vincentp]

Can't go anywhere without petty drama. Even the techies fall to it. How unfortunate.

Either way, I'm using Chevy's now, and it's better than Pete's and Blackdroid's. So take that

 

[jcs33]

I am with Blackdroid 100%..... He makes the best ROM and the most stable on my phone..... Yeah im a noob If u dont like it F off

 

[blackdroid]

i agree with you 100% the only reason i used your rom, was because it was different. Hell pete didnt have interactive wallpapers, and yours did. you changed the base before he did, and you started pushing update more regularly then he did. So, I have just started a website. and I am here to offer you with hosting. if you need a place to host your roms (not like a forum, but just a place to host the downloading. i would be more then willing to give you an ftp on my site. I want nothing in return, only that you continue developing some badass roms. A matter of fact that goes for any other developer that has been f***ed over by alldroid. today is the last day i will visit that site. so yeah any developers that need hosting. let me know. if it works out, I might open a new droid forums site, but as for right now I will give any DEV (with recognized work) a free ftp account just let me know. (you will have unlimited space, and unlimited bandwidth.) Thanks to all you devs out there. I appreciate you all.

Thank you. I really appreciate you support

 

[mikemullin6]

BD,

I've enjoyed using a variety of your ROMs and am wondering when you thing you will be up, and running, on droidforums?

Thanks for your work

 

[blackdroid]

BD,

I've enjoyed using a variety of your ROMs and am wondering when you thing you will be up, and running, on droidforums?

Thanks for your work

Im up now just trying to get things set up

 

[Crazy_J]

You know the "z" is important right? Wares has nothing to do with Warez.
(and further Warez has nothing to do with malware, warez = pirated is all)

Warez = pirated, OK.... as a type-o happens so does Mis reading. For that I am sorry for jumping the gun. It is still true about giving su in Linux give it to the wrong thing and bam truly bricked Droid.

Next thing I feel I should say the only reason I even found out it had been closed was I was going to check into blackdroid ROMS. Seeing it closed and quickly glancing, got me thinking about just how un-safe su always remember truly is. We need to reveiw code we need to understand what we are putting on our phones. There is risk, droidmod, dmupdater make it too easy for people to root without truly understanding the risks. Yes their app works great. It does exactly what it says it will do. I think it is a great tool for people who know and understand the risk. Personally I feel if people want to root they first need to understand what su is, that's my point.

 

[Fabolous]

LOL Chevy anounced his AN HOUR AFTER MINE. lol

"I AM NEVER RETURNING TO ALLDROID"

I see now why the Sholes Team (Now DroidMod) and even Taz himself left the site.

I will from hencefrourth be developing at droidforums.net as "the blackdroid"

Glad to see you'll still be developing. Don't let the drama at Alldroid get to you.

Chevy is leaving Alldroid too? I see he's still posting in his thread though...idk.

Best of luck to you though. I've had mixed results with your previous ROMs, but I'm looking forward to the new ERE25 ROM!

 

[Illrigger]

Thanks for the encouragement upsman, I will try to continue if not only just to give support to those that supported me

I lurk around, and an fairly new to my Droid (on my second month with it), and joined up today to say this: even someone who is completely new to this scene can see what happened here:

1. Blackdroid and Chevy announce ERE25-based mods.
2. Pete fanbois begin accusing Blackdroid of "ripping off" bugless beast (which is odd, because the 2.1-based bugless beast is really in its infancy, while Ultimate has been building up for quite some time).
3. Blackdroid launches his ERE25 mod.
4. Blackdroid gets the axe.
5. Pete announces his ERE25 mod.

Even the uninitiated can see that something happened here, and while warez may have been the issue stated, there was something more going on. After all, the admins over there have vieos linked on the front page of ZeusMod using SenseUI which unless HTC said they could, is technically warez. I did notice that Ultimate ERE25 had Swype in the app list, but that's nothing compared to pirating an entire UI.

I was lucky enough to be able to grab Ultimate ERE25 before they pulled the section, and while it's still an early work with issues, it's pretty impressive for a first build off a new structure and shows a LOT of potential. I will be revisiting it once you get set up here.

 

[esocid]

Warez = pirated, OK.... as a type-o happens so does Mis reading. For that I am sorry for jumping the gun. It is still true about giving su in Linux give it to the wrong thing and bam truly bricked Droid.

Next thing I feel I should say the only reason I even found out it had been closed was I was going to check into blackdroid ROMS. Seeing it closed and quickly glancing, got me thinking about just how un-safe su always remember truly is. We need to reveiw code we need to understand what we are putting on our phones. There is risk, droidmod, dmupdater make it too easy for people to root without truly understanding the risks. Yes their app works great. It does exactly what it says it will do. I think it is a great tool for people who know and understand the risk. Personally I feel if people want to root they first need to understand what su is, that's my point.

I think you might not fully understand what the su command does in linux, and what bricked means for that matter. You would have to try very hard to corrupt your bootloader, but if someone really wanted to be a dick and write a bash script to ruin every piece of softwate on your phone, you can still recover now that we are fortunate enough to have our sbf tool.

You are fully correct about your point though. If you ran a linux distro, you would have already had this engrained on the surface of your brain, never give root access to anything unless you know what it will do and what you are doing, never login as root, and never give out your root pw, even if your mother's life depended on it. I don't understand android enough to know why there is no root pw, or if a sudoers script could help with security.
But some people have no desire to learn how to do something, and are the same people who post threads about not having a clue what to do when something doesn't work, and expect their hand help every step of the way. Nothing will ever prevent that though.

Tried to be concise about it, and not to sound like I'm ranting.
Couldn't help but think of this xkcd, hope it gives someone a laugh.
xkcd: Tech Support Cheat Sheet

 

[Tristor]

Just so everyone knows, they can still access all of blackdroid's previous releases v3.0 and later from my mirrors for direct download by going to Index of /droidroms

They're also mirrored off a server in the US at Index of /droidrom

Here's a direct link to the latest release (first release ERE25 base):

http://tristor.trixxshiz.eu/droidroms/ultimateERE25-BDS-20100303-0143.zip - Europe (100MBit)
http://tristor.burntelectrons.org/droidrom/ultimateERE25-BDS-20100303-0143.zip North America (Gigabit)
http://tristor.trixxshiz.eu.nyud.net/droidroms/ultimateERE25-BDS-20100303-0143.zip Coral Cache CDN (Worldwide)

 

[Illrigger]

Just so everyone knows, they can still access all of blackdroid's previous releases v3.0 and later from my mirrors for direct download by going to Index of /droidroms

They're also mirrored off a server in the US at Index of /droidrom

Here's a direct link to the latest release (first release ERE25 base):

http://tristor.trixxshiz.eu/droidroms/ultimateERE25-BDS-20100303-0143.zip - Europe (100MBit)
http://tristor.burntelectrons.org/droidrom/ultimateERE25-BDS-20100303-0143.zip North America (Gigabit)
http://tristor.trixxshiz.eu.nyud.net/droidroms/ultimateERE25-BDS-20100303-0143.zip Coral Cache CDN (Worldwide)

Thanks; hopefully he puts out a new build soon with the Marketplace fix built in.

 

[Tristor]

Thanks; hopefully he puts out a new build soon with the Marketplace fix built in.

Ultimate Droid 5.0 with an ERE25 Base is being worked on (announced on Droid Forums) and should have that fix I would assume. That said, I am running ERE25 from the above build I linked and never had an issue with the marketplace not working. I think it's intermittent as some Marketplace apps have protected APKs, and some don't.

Last I heard, ChevyNo1 had some sort of hack to fix the Marketplace issues but it wasn't quite stable yet, so maybe that will be incorporated in everyone's ERE25 base ROMs in the future once it's solid.

 

[Illrigger]

Ultimate Droid 5.0 with an ERE25 Base is being worked on (announced on Droid Forums) and should have that fix I would assume. That said, I am running ERE25 from the above build I linked and never had an issue with the marketplace not working. I think it's intermittent as some Marketplace apps have protected APKs, and some don't.

Last I heard, ChevyNo1 had some sort of hack to fix the Marketplace issues but it wasn't quite stable yet, so maybe that will be incorporated in everyone's ERE25 base ROMs in the future once it's solid.

Yeah, it's a really strange issue, kinda like how 2.x-specific apps don't appear in the market when running 1.5, apps that are protected don't appear on ERE25 - so the majority of my paid apps just plain aren't there.

I just installed Chevy's ERE25 and his update.zip fix, and it did NOT resolve the issue, so I am back into waiting mode. I don't know if I can stand looking at all this blue anyway

 

[snake_fist_gung_fu]

Personally I don't see paid apps as wares... I hear wares I think about malware, yes android is Linux based, however when you tell any Linux to give something su and let it always have it how long until someone creates a Droid killer app or ROM masked as something good?

For those of us who know how open source works and also understand Linux we know, however unlikely, it is possible to kill any Linux system in such a manner. Blackhat hacking is possible against droids.

That goes for any phone that runs a OS. Microsoft, Apple, and Android all are susceptible to viruses or even Trojan horse attacks.

 

[Crazy_J]

I think you might not fully understand what the su command does in linux, and what bricked means for that matter. You would have to try very hard to corrupt your bootloader, but if someone really wanted to be a dick and write a bash script to ruin every piece of softwate on your phone, you can still recover now that we are fortunate enough to have our sbf tool.

You are fully correct about your point though. If you ran a linux distro, you would have already had this engrained on the surface of your brain, never give root access to anything unless you know what it will do and what you are doing, never login as root, and never give out your root pw, even if your mother's life depended on it. I don't understand android enough to know why there is no root pw, or if a sudoers script could help with security.
But some people have no desire to learn how to do something, and are the same people who post threads about not having a clue what to do when something doesn't work, and expect their hand help every step of the way. Nothing will ever prevent that though.

Tried to be concise about it, and not to sound like I'm ranting.
Couldn't help but think of this xkcd, hope it gives someone a laugh.
xkcd: Tech Support Cheat Sheet

Yes I know what su is, yes I know what bricked means, hence my saying truly bricked. I did not however say how it could be bricked. Lets just say someone figures out setcpu source code and edits it so a person thinks they are ocing to 1.25ghz when they are actually oced to 2.25ghz the fake setcpu also installed a new kernel allowing this overclock it would only take a couple mins to fry the processor. Once the processor fries truly bricked is real. Su always remember would let this happen. Su = super user or sudo ie administrator on a windows computer, put simply.

 

[CRPercodani]

Pete has had ERE25 for over 2 weeks now, I helped in unyaffs it when he got it. He had several beta ROM's using it but neither him or I saw any big differences in using it, but after multiple PM requests for him to release one with it he decided to. And really you (blackdroid) may be doing your own thing now, but when you started you used Pete ROM's for a base and built off of them. This isn't something new, and you know it. I'm glad you have found a new home and I hope you continue to develop for Android, but be original.

 

[Barkleyfan]

My thread was closed without just cause or proper warning or even being being given any reason after the fact. It all had to do with Pete whining that I copied his rom which was the absolute farthest from the truth, and the other devs didnt like my presense because of many people liking my roms over theirs. My works took a TREMENDOUS amount of work and many nights of lost sleep.

Inclosed is a PM I sent to one the Pete'ites when they refused to stop try to flame me. In all this time I have never done anything (even throughout all of this talk of Pete in the highest of respects):



The only idea that I really got from him was the 7screen launcher and I already told everyone that and gave him his props for the great idea on the 4.0 thread.

My whole reason for starting this project was to make a rom that had every feature in it possible, not to steal from anyone or to take fame away from anyone. I have never once claimed anyones work. I get the best parts from wherever they may be and put them together and make improvements, but at the end of the day, I still have to make them work well together. If you use my rom you will see that it really doesn't act like Petes rom. I have tried out his 2.1 and if you turn the animations on and go in and out of windows really fast the phone will freeze every time, all the animations are turned on on mine and try as hard as you can, the phone just will not freeze. he even turns vibration off, which if kept on at some instances, when going in and out of screen (with animations off), will vibrate uncontrollably out of nowhere and then hard reboot the phone. Now this is not to say that he doesnt do great work, because he has (i used to use his roms exclusively) but since 2.1 there hasnt been one person out there with every feature in one rom, and I wanted to try.

I just want to help to further the community, and be open, and offer help to other (developers included), as often as I can. And I cant tell you how many times I saw Petes name at the bottom of my forum, Interesting stuff huh. Its all about money and fame.



PS: The same format was use because I didnt feel like having to make one myself. SO SUE ME.

It's an etiquette thing, and it's been around longer than Android. Ya gotta be extra careful to give credit where it's deserved. Go outta your way to do so. It's not so much about taking sides (I've talked to Pete a couple times, and I like the guy) as it is about how things are done. I give you props for coming in and presenting your side instead of hiding behind a sock. Takes balls. Rep is everything for a Chef, since it's how they get donations. Petes earned his rep. You're earning yours.

Man up, settle it with Pete off the board, and come back with a new ROM and lesson learned. Don't let it turn into a weak ass soap.

 

[Tristor]

It's not so much about taking sides (I've talked to Pete a couple times, and I like the guy) as it is about how things are done.

Yet you are taking sides, as are all of those who are causing the drama (from both sides). There is NO PROOF that blackdroid copied Pete's ROM. Any evidence is circumstantial at best and pure hearsay at worst. Taking the side that he didn't or taking the side that he did, either way, is silly, as there is no proof in either direction. However, when you are discussing something in a rational manner, it is generally considered a good policy to follow "innocent until proven guilty" so lack of proof is strongly in blackdroid's favor.

Regardless, there are obviously several big-name devs operating at AllDroid and it is in the best interest of the AllDroid staff to keep them happy, regardless of the circumstances. So, I understand their position, and I am not really surprised at all. I think there's a lot more drama involved in this than necessary. blackdroid moved on, Pete moved on, it's their supporters that are causing the drama and fuss.

Get over it.

 

[radikal]

i couldn't make blackdroid work, not sure what the deal was. chevys worked nice

 

[bamaredwingsfan]

I lurk around, and an fairly new to my Droid (on my second month with it), and joined up today to say this: even someone who is completely new to this scene can see what happened here:

1. Blackdroid and Chevy announce ERE25-based mods.
2. Pete fanbois begin accusing Blackdroid of "ripping off" bugless beast (which is odd, because the 2.1-based bugless beast is really in its infancy, while Ultimate has been building up for quite some time).
3. Blackdroid launches his ERE25 mod.
4. Blackdroid gets the axe.
5. Pete announces his ERE25 mod.

Even the uninitiated can see that something happened here, and while warez may have been the issue stated, there was something more going on. After all, the admins over there have vieos linked on the front page of ZeusMod using SenseUI which unless HTC said they could, is technically warez. I did notice that Ultimate ERE25 had Swype in the app list, but that's nothing compared to pirating an entire UI.

I was lucky enough to be able to grab Ultimate ERE25 before they pulled the section, and while it's still an early work with issues, it's pretty impressive for a first build off a new structure and shows a LOT of potential. I will be revisiting it once you get set up here.

Begun, the ROM wars has!

 

[xjestersdeadx]

Yet you are taking sides, as are all of those who are causing the drama (from both sides). There is NO PROOF that blackdroid copied Pete's ROM. Any evidence is circumstantial at best and pure hearsay at worst. Taking the side that he didn't or taking the side that he did, either way, is silly, as there is no proof in either direction. However, when you are discussing something in a rational manner, it is generally considered a good policy to follow "innocent until proven guilty" so lack of proof is strongly in blackdroid's favor.

Regardless, there are obviously several big-name devs operating at AllDroid and it is in the best interest of the AllDroid staff to keep them happy, regardless of the circumstances. So, I understand their position, and I am not really surprised at all. I think there's a lot more drama involved in this than necessary. blackdroid moved on, Pete moved on, it's their supporters that are causing the drama and fuss.

Get over it.

Wow. i wish i had time to follow all the drama...(said in absolute light hearted way!). But really we don't know what happened. We don't know that "evidence" was circumstantial or not. We just don't know so why speculate.

The Alldroid admin's made a post stated they would talk to both Pete and Blackdroid about what happened. Did they? Don't know.

Do they get a kickback from dev's donations? Just wondering. It would seem in the best interest of any forum to not kick someone in the face so publicly unless absolutely necessary, or unless they really didn't care about their traffic.

None of us knows what happened, but unless any Dev has a contract to allow their posts to be on a private board (it's not public...it's privately owned)...then the owner's of that board can do whatever they want. It might not be nice, it might not look politically correct, but that's their call. They own the board. If you want to play on their field, you know they own the referees, etc. (how many cliches can I make?)

My suggestion for Blackdroid would be to start the Blackdroid ROM forums or something and do your own thing where you have ultimate control. Hey, I just did a little thing there with the word "ultimate"....lol. Looks like you have some fans, so maybe they'll follow you. Run some ads and make some money on your own?

 

[Tristor]

Wow. i wish i had time to follow all the drama...(said in absolute light hearted way!). But really we don't know what happened. We don't know that "evidence" was circumstantial or not. We just don't know so why speculate.

It's not necessary to follow the drama, it's necessary to end it. The parties who actually matter (blackdroid and Pete) have moved on, so should everyone else.

We know that the evidence is circumstantial because the "evidence" if you want to call it that was posted publicly in Pete's thread and discussed before the admin's quelled it and took action against blackdroid.

The Alldroid admin's made a post stated they would talk to both Pete and Blackdroid about what happened. Did they? Don't know.

Based on conversations I've had with some of those involved, no they didn't. They didn't speak to anyone about it, they just took action. That doesn't matter, as you point out below it's their place so they can do what they want (which is the same thing I said).

Do they get a kickback from dev's donations? Just wondering. It would seem in the best interest of any forum to not kick someone in the face so publicly unless absolutely necessary, or unless they really didn't care about their traffic.

None of us knows what happened, but unless any Dev has a contract to allow their posts to be on a private board (it's not public...it's privately owned)...then the owner's of that board can do whatever they want. It might not be nice, it might not look politically correct, but that's their call. They own the board. If you want to play on their field, you know they own the referees, etc. (how many cliches can I make?)

Once again, while I don't agree with how the situation was handled, I understand the position of the AllDroid staff. I'm sure everyone realizes they can do whatever they want on their site. Which is why blackdroid and Pete have already moved on, so should you (and everyone else).

This is an ex-issue. End the drama, and move on.

My suggestion for Blackdroid would be to start the Blackdroid ROM forums or something and do your own thing where you have ultimate control. Hey, I just did a little thing there with the word "ultimate"....lol. Looks like you have some fans, so maybe they'll follow you. Run some ads and make some money on your own?

As blackdroid himself posted earlier in the thread he's made his home over at droidforums.net and has moved on. So should you.

 

[PerCompLLC]

I'm running bd 4.0 now and I keep coming back to it. Regardless of what people are saying about who is copying who, this ROM is the fastest, most stable, and most complete 2.1 ROM that I have run to date. I have tried almost every ROM that appeared to be interesting, bet the bd 4.0 worked the best for me. I am a Linux geek (new to phones) so I have already heavily customized the bd 4.0 base that bd offered on alldroid. And I will continue to follow bd as he moves on with additional dev work. I have donated to his efforts (and Pete's as well) and I am a fan.

Thank you for your efforts blackdroid!