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Root cancelled!!!
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AndroidSerpent
Well-Known Member
There is aTorrent, uTorrent, BitTorrent, and the worst name of them all, Torrent (Joking). The pirate bay has an app that you can buy for a dollar. Poster could plead that he didn't know that those apps would cause Sprint to end his contract since they are in the Market and Sprint recommends that customers download apps only from the market.
9to5cynic
Android Expert
I'm not familiar with those apps, but do they actually download the file to the SD card..? I remember reading about one that let you control a torrent client *from* your phone, but it didn't actually do anything *on* the phone... That would a be a pretty big distinction as far as this instance is concerned.
I agree, if the apps are there (and are *not* root only apps), then sprint should be fine with them. I don't remember seeing/hearing/reading anything about *not* using torrent clients from the phone...
I suppose it *could* be in the contract somewhere, but who really reads those? >.>
Rxpert83
Dr. Feelgood
This one puts it right on your phone:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mobilityflow.torrent&feature=search_result
Same here:
https://market.android.com/details?id=hu.tagsoft.ttorrent.lite&feature=search_result
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mobilityflow.torrent&feature=search_result
Same here:
https://market.android.com/details?id=hu.tagsoft.ttorrent.lite&feature=search_result
9to5cynic
Android Expert
Okay, I was wondering. It isn't completely unlikely that sprint monitors our usage extensively (especially with the whole ciq stuff). So, with that in mind, could they have found out *what* was being torrent'd and then acted. I am guessing you were not download linux distros 
Just a thought, admittedly, I don't know too much about torrents.
Just a thought, admittedly, I don't know too much about torrents.
I did have the unlimited plan. A Sprint Rep. said they throttle @ 25 gigs but I don't know for sure.
Okay, I was wondering. It isn't completely unlikely that sprint monitors our usage extensively (especially with the whole ciq stuff). So, with that in mind, could they have found out *what* was being torrent'd and then acted. I am guessing you were not download linux distros
Just a thought, admittedly, I don't know too much about torrents.
They didn't know what files I was downloading but they did know it was P2P. They don't monitor usage too much unless you use a lot like i did. Keep in mind most of my usage was 4G.
Sorry I didn't see your question. I was running MikG 3.0 B1 I just flashed to B2 and liking some of the changes.
So since they cancelled me they waived the disconnect fees. I am definitely not paying my last bill!!
argedion
The TechnoFrog
Using A Torrent, Data Usage May not have had as much to do with the cancellation as much as Copy Right Infringements. I have gotten a few letters from my Home Network Provider about Being cancelled because of "Possible" Copy Right Infrigments. I use a Torrent Downloader on my computer and it does take some bandwidth especially if I am downloading a bunch of stuff at one time. (Like 6 or more movies) Wouldn't think of doing it on my phone. (No 4G in my area any how) However I would think that 30 Gig could be considered overkill for a phone. I say why use my phones limited resources to do what my computer can do. Think you would have been ok if you had only used even half of that.
takirb
Android Enthusiast
Wow, 29GB! Yea, that's gonna raise some brows at Sprint LOL Sucks you got the boot, but good to see that you're dad helped you get back up and running. This post scared me at first, till i saw the amount of data you were using. I use Wifi Tether, Sprint Hotspot, and/or MIUI's Portable WLAN quite frequently for work related reasons (or if i bring the PS3 to work). I can't afford to lose them, or be cancelled due to their use.
Oh, and for the torrent topic, i use aTorrent. I've never been a big fan of torrents or P2P stuff, but aTorrent works great and downloads straight to SD.
Oh, and for the torrent topic, i use aTorrent. I've never been a big fan of torrents or P2P stuff, but aTorrent works great and downloads straight to SD.
williamwilliam
Member
Then I guess unlimited is not really "unlimited."
vailpass
Well-Known Member
9to5cynic
Android Expert
You bring your PS3 to WORK?!?! lol, awesome, where do you work? Can I work there?
Cool, I may check out aTorrent some time, unprotected wifi means I'm a bit sneaky
Here's my only problem with this, how does sprint know 100% that the torrents are under copyright, hell, OP could have been downloading old linux distros... That's what makes me think that they might have been snooping around in those packets a bit... I believe that all the major carriers can use DPI to sniff through some of that...
AndroidSerpent
Well-Known Member
I hope this helps in the discussion:
According to the terms and conditions of Sprint you MAY NOT:
(i) to generate excessive amounts of Internet traffic through the continuous, unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files or to operate hosting services including, but not limited to, web or gaming hosting;
(vi) for an activity that connects any device to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for the purpose of transmitting wireless data over the network (unless customer is using a plan designated for such usage); or
(vi) for any other reason that, in our sole discretion violates our policy of providing service for individual use. Unlimited Use Plans. If you subscribe to rate plans, services or features that are described as unlimited, you should be aware that such "unlimited" plans are subject to these Sprint Prohibited Network Uses.
Sprint Terms & Conditions
According to the terms and conditions of Sprint you MAY NOT:
(i) to generate excessive amounts of Internet traffic through the continuous, unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files or to operate hosting services including, but not limited to, web or gaming hosting;
(vi) for an activity that connects any device to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for the purpose of transmitting wireless data over the network (unless customer is using a plan designated for such usage); or
(vi) for any other reason that, in our sole discretion violates our policy of providing service for individual use. Unlimited Use Plans. If you subscribe to rate plans, services or features that are described as unlimited, you should be aware that such "unlimited" plans are subject to these Sprint Prohibited Network Uses.
Sprint Terms & Conditions
9to5cynic
Android Expert
I think this is the only one that really applies (because in theory, they shouldn't know that the traffic is from a pc tethered to the phone).
Do they ever define "excessive"? Just curious. Because that is pretty subjective if you ask me. I'm on dial up so I would say that 12 mb is 'excessive' for me. But at school, I can easily get 1.2 gb no problem. See where the issue comes up? Very wordy.
Thought:
Sprint probably *is* running DPI. The may even have something that is monitoring the usage of 4g and 3g. If that gets to say X level, it marks it as 'possible' infringement. Then if it gets to X+Y level, they use the DPI to look into it. From there, they may have seen either a) P2P connection downloading Sinatra albums (for kicks), or b) they saw that the desktop user agent was a PC browser?
Just thoughts, nothing solid to back this up with, but it doesn't seem too farfetched to me....
AndroidSerpent
Well-Known Member
"Excessive" is a subjective word and they try not to define it for the sake of calling it an unlimited plan. But we should all know that there is no such thing as unlimited. Sprint might have a DPI but I have no idea how they do it. I know for a fact that AT&T checks for MAC addresses to see if you are tethering any device. Buddy of mine works for the AT&T wireless (Tech support).
I finally got my disconnect notice letter 2 days after I got disconnected. I'll post a pic of it later, but it does state stuff from above.
youdoofus
Android Expert
Yes it is but only up to a certain amount.
Not to be pedantic, but unlimited literally means without limits.... not a certain amount
LoLAndroidSerpent
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the update. I thought they would throw the book at you just so that you don't try to appeal it. It stinks because I don't think they save your number once the line is disconnected so you could end up having a new number. On the bright side though you made them lose enough money before they blindly terminated you.
Rxpert83
Dr. Feelgood
Not to be pedantic, but unlimited literally means without limits.... not a certain amount
If you want to get technical
However, in the business world, there's no such thing as unlimited. Hell, even buffets will kick you out for eating too much at some point.
zx12richard
Android Enthusiast
I'd talk to a lawyer. They advertising truly unlimited plans. Rooting isn't illegal. Tethering app not illegal.
ndh777
Android Expert
I had heard of this happening in other areas of the net. To be careful make sure:
1. Limit your data usage and keep an eye on it from your Sprint online account or anywhere else possible. Don't let it go over 5GBs in a month because I have heard that that is the silent *limit* when they begin to look into your account.
2. Watch downloading you do especially if it is illegal and torrents. Sprint has a legal right to terminate you and contact the authorities just as any ISP would have. Our ISP for one of our houses contacted us and told us to cease and desist or else the authorities would be called and would be granted a warrant to check our home as they had done before to another family, so they say.
3. Watch your roaming. Sprint says that it is unlimited but it's not entirely true.
4. I've heard that the 5GBs per month is a 3G only thing and that 4G is truly unlimited but if you hit 15GB or more, just know they will be checking into your account because that's a lot for our small phones to be doing in a 30 day span.
You can download torrents directly to your phone using a torrent client called "tTorrent" and I think there may be some others that allow torrent downloading from the Market.
Glad to hear that you resolved the situation.
That's better than others that I've heard from other places on the net.
1. Limit your data usage and keep an eye on it from your Sprint online account or anywhere else possible. Don't let it go over 5GBs in a month because I have heard that that is the silent *limit* when they begin to look into your account.
2. Watch downloading you do especially if it is illegal and torrents. Sprint has a legal right to terminate you and contact the authorities just as any ISP would have. Our ISP for one of our houses contacted us and told us to cease and desist or else the authorities would be called and would be granted a warrant to check our home as they had done before to another family, so they say.
3. Watch your roaming. Sprint says that it is unlimited but it's not entirely true.
4. I've heard that the 5GBs per month is a 3G only thing and that 4G is truly unlimited but if you hit 15GB or more, just know they will be checking into your account because that's a lot for our small phones to be doing in a 30 day span.
You can download torrents directly to your phone using a torrent client called "tTorrent" and I think there may be some others that allow torrent downloading from the Market.
Glad to hear that you resolved the situation.
That's better than others that I've heard from other places on the net.
Rxpert83
Dr. Feelgood
While its not "illegal"... you agreed not to do it in the contract and they are completely in the right to give you the boot since you voided the contract
9to5cynic
Android Expert
This. I double checked the online site several times about roaming because where I live I am roaming if I do lots of data (tethering put me overI had heard of this happening in other areas of the net. To be careful make sure:
1. Limit your data usage and keep an eye on it from your Sprint online account or anywhere else possible. Don't let it go over 5GBs in a month because I have heard that that is the silent *limit* when they begin to look into your account.
2. Watch downloading you do especially if it is illegal and torrents. Sprint has a legal right to terminate you and contact the authorities just as any ISP would have. Our ISP for one of our houses contacted us and told us to cease and desist or else the authorities would be called and would be granted a warrant to check our home as they had done before to another family, so they say.
3. Watch your roaming. Sprint says that it is unlimited but it's not entirely true.
4. I've heard that the 5GBs per month is a 3G only thing and that 4G is truly unlimited but if you hit 15GB or more, just know they will be checking into your account because that's a lot for our small phones to be doing in a 30 day span.
You can download torrents directly to your phone using a torrent client called "tTorrent" and I think there may be some others that allow torrent downloading from the Market.
Glad to hear that you resolved the situation.
)....Hell, I even got a screenshot of the 'You have used XXX out of UNLIMITED roaming data', just so they couldn't say boo.. Turns out they say 'boo' quite a bit
ndh777
Android Expert
This. I double checked the online site several times about roaming because where I live I am roaming if I do lots of data (tethering put me over
Hell, I even got a screenshot of the 'You have used XXX out of UNLIMITED roaming data', just so they couldn't say boo.. Turns out they say 'boo' quite a bit
I don't fully understand how they get away with it because on their advertisements they say "unlimited" which implies "infinite" but their fine print and Terms & Conditions have lots of regulations regarding "unlimited" about how it really isn't unlimited. It's a scam really but the way I hear it, if you are a casual user, you have nothing to worry about. It's people like us who use tethering without a plan and roam continuously that have to worry about it.
For anyone who is roaming almost 24/7 and wants a way out, I have heard of many people calling in and telling Sprint that they want out of their contract early and Sprint allowing them to leave without paying for an early termination because of poor service. I think it may be a bit different now that they give away "free" (it's not technically free just like it's not "unlimited" because they will charge you $160 if you don't return it when you're done using it) Airraves to those who have poor connections to the network at home.
