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Captivate vs Windows Phone 7
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Where did I say Android can't succeed? You seem to have comprehension issues.
The analogy stands. My point was that until Android beats out iPhone (and leader Blackberry) it's still a distant third at 15% market share. Citing growth rates doesn't mean much when you're way behind. If it keeps having a beta feel to the apps it will have a hard time growing against polished OSes. There's a reason Linux isn't widely used by consumers even though it's FREE.
Android doesn't support activesync remote wipe and encryption. This is a no-go in the corporate world. Corporate users alone would be enough to catch and overtake Android.
LOL! What are you talking about? iOS upgrades are free on iPhones. Always has been. Try getting *official* support for more than one revision on Android phones. Think Samsung will support Gingerbread on the Captivate? If so then I have a bridge to sell you.
iOS upgrades are free on EXISTING iPhones. If you walk into AT&T looking to upgrade your RAZR to a smart phone your iPhone options are extremely limited (3gs or 4) where as you have a multitude of Android options (again, on just about all carriers) at a slew of different price points.
I wouldn't be surprised if Android overtakes the iPhone within a few years making it a Mac vs. PC situation. I guess time will tell.
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Android is number one OS among US phone buyers over the last six months -- Engadget
For you j, and wp7 is playing catch to all not to mention they been in the mobile game for some time.
For you j, and wp7 is playing catch to all not to mention they been in the mobile game for some time.
t-readyroc
Android Enthusiast
Here's the main thing for me in thinking about this subject: before I went over to Android, my wife & I already used, on a regular basis:
Once I got an Android phone, & experienced how well-integrated these features are, I figure I'd be hard-pressed to make a switch.
I came from a WinMo 6.1 phone, & yes, I know that it's possible to integrate these things into a WinPho-based environment, but I just can't see it being as seamless.
If, however, Google doesn't have its claws into you as much as me, I could definitely see WinPho being a solid alternative.
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Once I got an Android phone, & experienced how well-integrated these features are, I figure I'd be hard-pressed to make a switch.
I came from a WinMo 6.1 phone, & yes, I know that it's possible to integrate these things into a WinPho-based environment, but I just can't see it being as seamless.
If, however, Google doesn't have its claws into you as much as me, I could definitely see WinPho being a solid alternative.
Ethere
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This is why I'm switching on 10/27 back to the Captivate. Yes, the iPhone has ways to get into these things, but it's not tightly integrated like Android is. As far as the Windows 7 phones, I think AT&T is left in the dust again with the ugliest versions. T-Mobile has the best looking HTC Windows phone.
Sorry if I'm not an Android fanboi cheerleader. Owning a Captivate is enough reason for me to be able to post on this site. Note the thread is titled "Captivate vs Windows Phone 7" and not "Android Fanboi" nor is this site called "Android Fanbois".
Why are you in this thread? Have you posted anything relevent to the thread topic? Even your links about WP7 is months old and the reviews were on pre-production beta phones and software. Disingenuous at best.
There are always be people that go cheap. But Apple has shown that people are willing to pay for polish. Same reason why the iPod outsells the competition yet is significantly more expensive than the competition. iTunes store and syncing is an example of polished integration.
Also note that saving $199 on a phone doesn't mean much if you're stuck with it on a 2 year contract that costs a minimum of $1600. Plus the iPhone has significantly better resale value. I sold my 3G and 3GS for essentially the price I paid for them. So in other words I *did* get them for free. Try doing that with a 2 year old Android phone. I'm probably going to lose money big time selling my Captivate.
You're still not getting it. Number 1 over 6 months? Big deal. Like I said, let me know when it actually surpasses Blackberry and iPhone in actual worldwide market share. As of now, Android is still a distant 3rd. Windows Phone 7 is a brand new OS from the ground up and can't be compared to previous versions of Windows Mobile (which sucked).
Again, Android has features missing for the corporate user. That alone will give WP7 a leg up. Not a difficult concept to grasp. As of now it's too fragmented and too unpolished. The hype right now for Android is high and that is why a lot of people are trying it out. But hype can only take you so far. Like I said, we'll see in a year where Android really stands.
& none of these were monopolists extracting fees, bullying hw vendors, buying one vendor, pumping it up to drive out all competing innovative vendors... Whose money is he giving away?
multitasking??
which has no developed app store..laughably nada.
What's your point? Microsoft is just like every other corporation. Do you think Intel, Apple, Google, etc. don't use strong arm tactics? Corporations are required to make money, not be morally ethical. Why do you think Google is being sued by Oracle right now?
As for where the money comes from, of course the money comes from consumers. Corporations don't just print money. What does that have to do with the fact that Gates is giving billions away to charity? He could have just kept it all to himself.
The 1st party apps multitask. Phone, MP3, internet, email, maps, etc. 3rd party apps are saved in a suspended state so you can bounce back and pick up where you left off. This is good enough for most all apps except Pandora which will hopefully be linked in with Zune so that it can run in the background.
Care to give examples of what apps you multitask on Android that won't work on WP7 in a suspended state?
What are you talking about? They have an app market just like Android does. BTW, is there a way to back up your Android apps on your computer? Not without hacking. Another example of lacking polish.
slighmd
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seriously, am also switching to WP7 coming from android and iOS before that. I love android, i really do but because being a gamer at heart, i have to jump ship.The Android OS has a lot of positives, from cloud based backup servers to the great notifications and customizability. But gaming has been terrible, which is kinda one of the aspects i look for. I'm still keeping my Android though, maybe as my #2.
s.m.knipe
Android Expert
To a computer, no, but to the cloud yes (appbrain), which I would prefer anyway as it is accessible via browser and I am not locked into an ecosystem of hardware.
About the Oracle case too, your point is actually the reverse of the facts here, Google used an alternative to Sun's Java for Android, which Sun was okay with (but not happy about) because it was for the AOSP. Oracle then bought Sun for its patents (including Java and its variations) and is trying to bully companies that are sucessfully utilizing it into paying royalties. Oracle went after Google because of their earnings and Android, not because of the principles behind respect of copyrights. Oracle could also have gone after several linux distros for bundling Sun's OpenOffice software, but they do not turn the profit Google does, so they would gain little except the anger of the Open Source community, so they chose not to.
Your example does not illustrate Google bullying, but rather Google being bullied by strong arm tactics. And, now that I think about it, the closest thing I can think of to Google strong arming another entity is the whole China censorship thing, and Google even backed down from their stance on that. I'm sure there was a few hostilities in its early days though...
ZDroid1
Android Enthusiast
I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't proposed to pay the carriers to let their Android/iPhone users get out of their contracts for free if they agree to get a new WP7 phone with a contract.
Heck even let them exchange their current phones for the WP7 phone and not pay a dime.
That's how Internet Explorer killed Netscape.
Heck even let them exchange their current phones for the WP7 phone and not pay a dime.
That's how Internet Explorer killed Netscape.
3gAndroid
Android Enthusiast
Some of us prefer to keep our backups on hardware and/or off 3rd party servers and that option does not exist without hacking. An app to sync media, an app to sync backups, etc. and having the files in different locations is poor user interface and user experience (UI/UX) design.
Is this one better?
Quote:
Google, whose informal motto is "Do No Evil," tried to browbeat lawmakers in North Carolina into silence while the company sought millions in tax breaks...
Google sought to silence politicians while seeking tax breaks | News Blog - CNET News
MassacrMan
Android Enthusiast
I have to admit, I am really really REALLY digging the live tiles format of the home screen and how it scrolls up instead of using horizontal pages like Android does.
But, I'm going to keep my Captivate.
But, I'm going to keep my Captivate.
carmendiva
Android Expert
I think we have like four weeks till it's release 
Looking at youtube videos of the focus & surround
they are touting these devices as the
iphone & android killers
while i do not agree or disagree
i think that Microsoft is like motorola...
after years of mediocrity, they seem to have
find their niche and i can't wait to experience it....
Looking at youtube videos of the focus & surround
they are touting these devices as the
iphone & android killers
while i do not agree or disagree
i think that Microsoft is like motorola...
after years of mediocrity, they seem to have
find their niche and i can't wait to experience it....
s.m.knipe
Android Expert
I understand that, but I don't like the idea of having to BUY all THEIR products (ecosystem) just to have everything that syncs together (whether Mac/iOS or Windows). It is a great business model, but not exactly consumer friendly...
Which is why I am happy with my drag-and-drop Android and browser-based cloud experience, it works whether I'm on my Ubuntu box or laptop or notebook, my iMac, or my parents' Windows based Dell... I have freedom of choice in the environments I use.
Actually, yes, but the article's title belies Google's actually role in that case. Google's stance is just standard practice with businesses- I live in West Virginia, and if you think Google's uncompromising nature is bad, read up on some of the coal and chemical industries in Appalachia. All industries when they come into an area want to do it for as close to free as possible, they know what they need to make back to be able to foot the bill for the project, and that is what they ask for/will accept. The politician quoted knew this, because I would wager he lobbied to bring the project to his constituency. But when the deal began to look bad in the press (before the 2008 election primaries, I notice) he had to make it sound like he was in the dark, but I'll bet that he had no problem claiming those 200 jobs during the election (I have my bachelor's in Poli. Sci. and can tell you that this is very common).
My point earlier is that your argument that Google is as bad as all the other companies might be true, but there is less evidence of it for comparison (and so I would stay away from it as a point of fact, and stick with the common knowledge argument-that you don't have to prove- that "that is simply how all businesses work." Another point in Google's favor is the amount of free "goodies" they give out all the time. Their business model is different, so their practices will be (slightly) as well (think traffic as the commodity, not any set product itself).
I wasn't trying to argue against your point but rather kind of nudge you into a sharper argument...
s.m.knipe
Android Expert
Yeah, those tiles are pretty sweet. It just kind of looks busy to me though, I don't know if I would like that right off the bat (I'm sure I would get used to it though). I kind of wish it were similar to Tweetdeck's swipe/column sort of setup for different functions (or business/personal)... I like the polish microsoft put into this, but I still love my Android, and Gingerbread will likely be awesome.
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I'm happy to stay with Android and the Captivate. Plus I don't much care for Mr. Gates these days
You don't like a guy who isn't in charge of MS anymore and spends all his time giving away his money to charity and trying to help people?
FAIL.
MassacrMan
Android Enthusiast
The animations from screen to screen are awesome too, but I can't wait to see what else is in store for Android!
Endoran
Android Enthusiast
Oh please. He has to donate mass amounts of money or he would be ostracized. I assume you are referring to that 60-minute segment that portrayed him as a saint? Where did he get all that money? From us, the world. You know what would have been the charitable thing to do? The way to help people? Reduce prices and save people money to begin with - all that money would have diffused elsewhere in the global economy. I believe that it is disgusting and immoral for a company or a man to make such sums of money and is a testament to one of the things that are wrong in this world. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer; it has been like this for decades now. I think he's a criminal; a sanctioned thief. He just happens to be the most successful criminal in history. We should respect him since he gives away some of his stolen money? Please. /rant
sremick
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The end does not justify the means. He's no Robin Hood.