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Check this battery out-Might be the answer

I should have said in my previous post that the standard battery for the Samsung i8910 will work but the extended aftermarket one will not since its "upside down"

If you do get a battery and it seems to work check the testing menu and verify it shows the battery health. If that field has an error the battery most likely won't charge inside the phone.

Don't buy any random continuum battery. It has to be the specific model Ickster listed

ickster said:
Back to the battery....the Continuum battery's polarity is correct. I have had it in the phone for several hours at a time. So if it works in the Continuum, it will work in the the Indulge.
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Im not implying you are fibbing but I dont think the Continuum extended batteries will work. Are you sure you had an extended battery as in double thickness? Because from what I see the Continuum extended double thickness battery also has the wrong configuration as well.
The issue I had wasnt polarity but rather the pins ending up on the right side instead of the left.

To understand take your battery out and flip it over horizontally. It will still fit and snap into place but the pins are now on the wrong side. With a standard thickness battery this isnt a problem because you can flip it over, but with extended batteries you have to know which direction it was extended since it cant be flipped

Edit: Here is a picture of the battery I modified to work. See how the pins were on the wrong side
http://i54.tinypic.com/v3efcw.jpg
 
Your not implying I'm fibbing but....
Come on dude I didn't make it up. You got the wrong damn battery not me.
I not only ran the battery widget with this battery in, I went to Market and downloaded the App with this battery in. The widget says the battery has 17 hours left on it.
Believe me, I was sure before I put my phone at risk.
The charge circuit in the phone is apparently not enough to charge the phone as I posted earlier.
But this samsung extended battery works in the indulge ....period.
On the Samsung battery I have, the prongs continue across to the other side as opposed to going halfway like yours.
Jeesh.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-Extende...588686?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5adff7638e
 
Yeah ickster obviously knows what he is doing, you can gather that from reading his posts.

ciper, you made your point, and we all appreciate your concerns. Some of us like to remain optimistic here. I'm a ware ( as well as ickster ) of the consequences. I have insurance on my phone and I can return the battery if need be. Some of us dont mind taking one for the team. I will be sure to test all aspects and be open to suggestions.

The charge circuit in the phone is apparently not enough to charge the phone as I posted earlier.
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Have you found a charger for it? I guess I will need to find a way to charge my extended battery.
 
The charger I got from metro w/ the 1100 Mah battery seems to charge it fine. I only cycled one time. It's still holding the original charge.
I never have let it run down. Need my phone, can't be messin' with the battery scotch taped into place LOL.
And yeah, I'm not as technical as Mike Silvist Shabby or noone, but I'd argue I'm holding my own (for a dumbass) LOL.
 
I would recon to wager there is an option in the software for the max amperes hours. Know any resident wiz here that could take a peek?

I thought you sold the indulge? Or is a indulge-s something different and the battery you bough works with both?
 
Well, it was sold. I backed out when it became obvious to me that Sprint wasn't going to work out. I came back and bought ANOTHER Indulge 'cause my daughter had a taste of a good phone with those Evos. She wasn't going to be happy with the Optimus M she had before we switched. Talk about opening a can of worms LOL. I was that close to giving away (Indulge) accessories as well. The whole thing has cost me big bucks. That'll teach me. Should have stayed put. I got pretty good speeds before. Something changed recently. Whatever is going on now is going to be resolved I'm thinking. I personally think the system is maxed out. I get great speeds after 10:30-11.

Do you really think there is an internal setting? I wonder if the other Samsung phones w/ extended batteries can charge the battery while installed?
 
Do you really think there is an internal setting? I wonder if the other Samsung phones w/ extended batteries can charge the battery while installed?
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Well the thing is these batteries like most of their kinds have 3 leads. I'm not going to say I understand the workings of the 3 leads, but I would guess there is some communication going on there. Most chargers will know when the battery is charged. So that stands to argue why does the phone not work like most chargers? Well the most simple immediate answer is, Samsung didnt plan on worrying about it. Short-sighted yes, but hey, lets not go there... If it is falling short the full charge, it most certainly is not the batteries fault, period. The only other options would be the ubs method of charge or the phone. The usb method would need to be controlled via drivers. And you know as well as I, there are no drivers needed to charge this thing. You could rule that out by using the wall to usb charge and I'm guessing you tried that. Thus, its the phone. So, the question is, how does the phone know when its charged? My guess is when the battery communicates a level of 1100 amperes ( or what ever is the oem battery mah ). therefor, its hard coded.

This is not so advantageous for a charge or you greatly less you audience. In this case the charge simply monitors the batteries life and not some fixed limit.
 
ickster said:
Your not implying I'm fibbing but....
Come on dude I didn't make it up. You got the wrong damn battery not me.
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Why do you have to be so angry? There was no ill intention in my post and you get all bent out of shape.

I checked the other Continuum extended batteries and they will NOT work if they are the "stacked" design. The battery you have is unique in that the pins go all the way across.

I was only trying to help people who thought ANY Contiunuum battery would work. Shouldnt we make it clear that only that one specific Samsung OE Continuum battery fits?

Here is an auction with a decent picture of what the aftermarket Continuum batteries look like
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120676557077 The pins are on the wrong side

Did yours also report it as an unsupported battery? I was able to charge the battery I modified externally and it powered the phone for at least twice as long as the standard battery but the middle pin functionality (battery life counter) prevents it from charging internally.


I'm thinking to scavenge the IC from a supported battery and sticking it into one of the cheap aftermarket batteries and see if that will force it to work.
 
Sorry, I know your not dogging me personally, but you did say " but I dont think the Continuum extended batteries will work" and this IS a Continuum extended battery.And it works.
And show me where I say anything other than this specific battery will work? I posted a link to SAMSUNGS site with this particular battery and the first link is this SAMSUNG battery as well.
Edit: And the polarity therefore the third pin are the same. It is clearly marked + and - and the triangle. Same as my Samsung Indulge battery.
2nd edit Seems to me. you are making it more difficult than it is. And aren't you afraid your mods will cause damage to the phone?
 
I wonder if the other Samsung phones w/ extended batteries can charge the battery while installed?
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hmmm, see this page.
http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-acc...0mah-battery-wont-charge-properly-my-evo.html

its not samsung but see that first post. Also post 10
i'm no expert, just food for thought. if you are rooted you can go into recovery and wipe your battery stats to start off fresh.
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Ok here ya go... Check this out, guessing the app is on the market I have not looked yet.
http://forum.androidcentral.com/motorola-droid/65668-app-like-dr-battery.html
post 6 ( clockworkmod )
 
ickster said:
Edit: And the polarity therefore the third pin are the same. It is clearly marked + and - and the triangle. Same as my Samsung Indulge battery.
2nd edit Seems to me. you are making it more difficult than it is. And aren't you afraid your mods will cause damage to the phone?
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Youre right that you did link to the part number of the specific battery. Im sorry I didnt pay enough attention before. My shock was because I went to a few Cell Phone accessory stores and the Continuum battery I tried wouldnt fit (not OE samsung). I edited my post above, I dont mind to look like a moron as long as we get this all figured out

I'm not too afraid the modifications will damage the phone. Power supplies and batteries were part of my job a few years back and I loved to MacGyver things together from the trash.

Does the one you are using report as an unsupported battery when you try to charge it?



Just so that everyone knows what I was going on about, Its not polarity that is different between the batteries. All of them I've seen have the positive on the outside, the IC in the middle and the negative on the inside. Ill make a crude diagram
Here is how the battery goes into the Indulge
30rwilj.jpg


Here is how the battery goes into the other Samsungs (like the Continuum)
mj36zo.jpg


Same battery, same polarity and the only difference is that its turned over. The problem comes in that the aftermarket battery producers weren't as forward thinking and doubled up the battery like so -
dqlt0k.jpg

This battery would work fine in the Continuum or many of the other phones previously listed in this thread. Unfortunately it cant be flipped over to fit into the Indulge.

Icksters battery is cool because Samsung designed it to be flipped either direction by making the pins the full length of the battery. Its not easy to tell in this picture but the battery is about 1.5 times as thick as the original Indulge battery -
21edk61.jpg


ulao said:
Ok here ya go... Check this out, guessing the app is on the market I have not looked yet.
http://forum.androidcentral.com/motorola-droid/65668-app-like-dr-battery.html
post 6 ( clockworkmod )
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Clockworkmod doesnt work yet on our phones yet. That includes the one that replaces the recovery and also the one that runs through a zip file. I tried :D. If we had a full partition mapping (the ACS developers figured it out but forgot to share the info) we could probably get the clockwork team to start on a package.
 
Here is the 3600 I ordered.
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Sucks about clockwork :( but I still say there is the trick to get the phone to charge extended batteries.
 
Yeah this is for the omni 7 phone. I'm aware it wont charge right in the phone. So I wil spend some effort on figuring that out.

For info see post #42, its not cheep ;) It comes with a cover but only the battery portion I need to fit this cover in to my case. I'm really good with plastics so I have little worries. I will also try to make a molding and see how it holds up and paints.

very interesting links man. not really going to help at this point but damn good to know.
 
There are a lot of those chargers on ebay and it is my opinion that they are dangerous, since they dont use the middle pin to monitor the charging. That makes me think they run on a timer rather than being a "smart" charger.

A timer might be ok if its tuned for a 1500mah battery but if you get a 3000mah battery you would probably have to run it through two charge cycles to get it full
 
Ok 3600 has arrived fits and seems to have a charge. The phone shows a sliver missing. I dont know what to test here, but open to ideas.

Battery status says " not charging " - which is correct.

I wish it had a full charge, but this posts marks the starting of the battery usage with 4g off, lets see how long it lasts. I dont do much with my phone at home and dont need to go out for a few days ( work from home ). Or should I try to let the phone charge it up first?

The best news of all is the plastic extension cap they give with this bat. is going to make it a snap to fit to my oem case. I will show pics I promise.
 
Ok this post is the tutorial I will add more when I see fit. ( I take no responsibility for your mistakes to your case or your fingers)

First ordering is on post #42 This is all you need to buy, except for a cutting tool.

Step one) Test your battery out. Fits nice huh!
Bat.jpg


two) lets look at what we have
case.jpg


three) lets cut some holes. I used a dremil for this and yeah it may be a bit tricky. Buy some extra cases if you need to. Be careful with the battery cover its flimsy. Those knows can brake. I lined it up and used a bobby pin to scratch the cutouts. Then just cut them out with a dremil.
holes.jpg



four) Now get the back out. The best way to do this is cut the square out with a carpet cuter or razor blade. Draw it if you like first but there is already a indention to follow by. Dont cut more then you need!
cut.jpg


Its easy to make a mistake, that is why I cut form the inside ( see me going out of the lines ;) )

five) the cover comes with rails see this pic
rails.jpg

I use this type of cuter to get this flat.
tool.jpg


six) After that I just pop it in to place. If its not a perfect fit you may need to tack one of the corners down with superglue but do it from the back side. I was luck and did not have to.


Here is the finished look
finished.JPG


Tid bits: If you look at my picture you will see I went a bit crooked . Because of this I had to file down the teeth at the button as they hit the battery. So be sure to make it straight. Also I didnt go as close the the cam lens as I could have, 1/8 inch would be best.

This is what I have until they make extended case for the indulge. Does the job for me ;).
 
Does the Samsung 2600 battery charge in the phone or is it also "unsupported?"

ulao : Ok they are working now. Good job!

My only worry is that you will have to remove the case to charge the battery. The case is removed by flexing and snapping it off. I think your super glue will come apart. I suggest sanding both surfaces and using epoxy to attach them
 
As I said I didnt have to glue it. I dont flex my case I just pop it off. Thats what the small notch is for at the bottom.

Anyone know much about CyanogenMod ? I see they support the galaxy S, but no indulge listed.

UPDATE:

Ahh I see the forums now, and I see a familiar name there.
Ciper
There is now a bounty of almost 600$ for root access on the sch-r910. You can see it here

http://androidforums...ge-4g-m860.html
and
http://forum.xda-dev....php?p=11950512
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Post needs to be updated... I rooted this phone the day a got it.

Anyhow, so no CyanogenMod then huh... Damn this phone...

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I was able to get in to the recovery, but there is no battery wipe. FYI: power up phone with power button and r key ( on keyboard ) key down to get in to recovery.
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Ok so the stand by lasted near 12 hours. I'm told batteries come 40-50% charged. Chances are this phone does not know its state and is guessing it to be dead. So I will keep turning it on till it wont come on. Then give it a full 10 hour charge and see what happens.

--Yeah just as I though still going... The phone thinks its dead but its not. I can't do things like media player as the phone gives me the warning, but the apps like vnc and other bat intensive apps work fine. Been on now for an hour flashing critically low battery. I'm going to drain it and then charge it all the way, drain , charge it all the way while off. I'm told this may work. My guess is ickster would have tried it, and willing to bet somewhere in this long thread he mentioned so. needles I will try it.

---Ok, just watched a you tube vid and played mike Tyson punch out and it finally died a few minutes later.

---After the 10 hours charge it indicated full. So I unplugged it and plugged it back in, now it shows charging %75 full.

---After 2 hours it reported full again and I did the same.

---after 5 minutes it was again full. Seems to be repeating this now. My guess is its finally full. Staring to test the length of the battery now, 10:30 EST marks the start.

--Ok as I previous stated "I get a 12 hour charge vs 5 hour charge in stand by" with 4g off with the oem battery. As stated above I started testing stand by ( 4g off ) 10:30am est and its now approaching 10:30pm with at least 4 bars of battery left. Its starting to look like I improved the memory stats in the phone. I'm told doing this 2 more times should calibrate my phone. We shall see.

--Something happened again, the batter said sully charged. Then I plug it back in and was only at %50 ( instead of %75 ).
 
I can tell you this much. I turned of 4g with **583385## and it was like night and day. 4g is a juice sucker big time. I just leave it off until I need it which is not very often.
 
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