ElasticNinja
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While I hate Bush, Saddam was no teddy-bear and killed millions of Iraqi's himself
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Church Burning Holy Korans
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While I hate Bush, Saddam was no teddy-bear and killed millions of Iraqi's himself
Familyguy1
Android Enthusiast
This is true, but realistically people die every few minutes or so, are we trying to justify the deaths of people by killing others, its really makes no sense.
infil
Well-Known Member
And in the grand scheme of things, look what happened when saddam saw a force presented before him that he knew would kick his ass. He ran and hid like a whipped puppy. Our reasons for going into iraq were wrong from day one. He was not a pleasant person, but he was very controllable through threat of force, which is not an ideal situation, but its a manageable one. We now have countless lives altered, usually not for the better, we have an entire middle east that would REALLY love to get a piece of our asses (more so than before this whole little shitshow began), and we have the people of iraq who are in my opinion, insane for the tolerance they have shown towards us. We were the aggressors there in a huge way, and the implications of that region of the world having one more reason to hate us is a situation that has implications that will make 9/11 look like a small 4th of july celebration.
I have lost way too many friends, and seen alarmingly fewer friends come back over here with their lives irrevocably altered. This war was a political cock fight that GWB got into to save daddy's image in his own mind, and line his pockets with a few more oily dollars.
I love our troops, and I will support them with all that I am, and all that I have. But I can not for the life of me understand the overwhelming support for going into Iraq, when we should have gone after the Guerilla networks that executed these attacks. Not popular, not clean, and not nice, but it is absolutely what should have been done. This country is so hung up on CNN and equal rights and all that jazz that we are too afraid to defend ourselves.
CIA Inquiries into interrogation methods? ARE YOU @#($*& KIDDING ME!?!?!?!? The cia and nsa do not do nice things, thats the point!!!!!! They are not supposed to be friendly "hey can i talk to you for a second" more like "tell me what i need to know....or i will get creative". They do the dirty back alley shit no one wants to know about, or should know about so we can enjoy the libterties that they provide and defend.
While im on the rant box, whos bright idea was it to attempt to use the military as a police force? The military, from day one has had 2 primary methods of achieving a goal. Kill people, break shit. If you kill enough of the enemy's soldiers, and break enough of his war-making equipment and materiel, guess what, he's not going to put up much of a fight huh? The military is NOT a police force. They arent there to round up people and arrest them, they are there to kill and break. Not pleasant but its true. MP's are kinda sorta there to police, but again, our boys need to know we support them doing their jobs, and their jobs are killing and breaking.
CNN has pussified this country to the point where we wont let our troops,and intelligence gathering communities work without fear of some non-military policymaker sitting on his cushioned chair in a nice office on a seven figure salary telling our men how to do their jobs? give me a break. So a few terrorists got water boarded...cant say i feel bad....They got humiliated...OH MY GOD........CALL THE ACLU!!!!!!!
Ok, rant mode off..dinner is ready hehehe.
Crude
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Hmm....
I think this "priest" needs some serious help... and i am not joking about this....
Look... i know he has the "awesome" law behind him.... but this is the Quran and has a special meaning to alot of people....
Hmm... how can i say this to get the message across....okay here goes:
If i piss on your mothers grave....would you not be angry and upset with me and hate me more? YES!! This is a great example here! Everyone has a mother.... so would this not be a horrible thing to do? You see it's not really against the law (i think) so you can go ahead and do it....but it just spreads more hatred between an already divided world...
i will try make a joke here to lighten the mood...
If Android Forums makes a poll saying:
1) Yes he needs help / counselling / assistance (pretty self explaining)
2) YES BURN IT!!! BURN EVERYTHING HAHAHAHAAA!! ( this is just crazy imo)
3) Arrgh yep yep yep...you know... i don't actually care....like everything else in life.... (this is sad too here)
I know which one i wud vote for...
I think this "priest" needs some serious help... and i am not joking about this....
Look... i know he has the "awesome" law behind him.... but this is the Quran and has a special meaning to alot of people....
Hmm... how can i say this to get the message across....okay here goes:
If i piss on your mothers grave....would you not be angry and upset with me and hate me more? YES!! This is a great example here! Everyone has a mother.... so would this not be a horrible thing to do? You see it's not really against the law (i think) so you can go ahead and do it....but it just spreads more hatred between an already divided world...
i will try make a joke here to lighten the mood...
If Android Forums makes a poll saying:
1) Yes he needs help / counselling / assistance (pretty self explaining)
2) YES BURN IT!!! BURN EVERYTHING HAHAHAHAAA!! ( this is just crazy imo)
3) Arrgh yep yep yep...you know... i don't actually care....like everything else in life.... (this is sad too here)
I know which one i wud vote for...
Why would you piss on my mother's grave?
tommy_ed
Android Expert
travelingfool
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Jesus wasn't all flowers and teddy bears. He was not concerned with hurting people's feelings or with being politically correct.
Matthew 21:12
And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons.
Matthew 11:21-24
21*Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22*But I tell you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for you. 23*And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You will be brought down to Hell. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24*But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you.
Matthew 23
1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,
2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses
tommy_ed
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actually, it is illegal
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travelingfool
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Where, in the New Testament, do you find anything that condones the burning of sacred writings from an opposing religion? I say New Testament because that is where Christianity is defined. So, please provide evidence of your statement.
I am as fundamentalist as it gets when it comes to Christianity, but I think this Qu'ran burning pastor is a kook. Burning Qu'ran's serves no practical purpose.
travelingfool
Member
You are equating Christian fundamentalists with Muslim extremists? That's pretty offensive. A Christian fundamentalist is someone who believes that the Bible is the Word of God, and believes everything that it says. This includes the New Testament mandate of non-violence. A Muslim extremist commits acts of terrorism. Big difference.
I am a Christian fundamentalist, and I would never and have never physically harmed another person. Perhaps you should have equated Muslim extremism with those who claim to be Christians but aren't. Their very actions prove they are not true Christians, and the Bible bears this out:
Matthew 7:20
"Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
travelingfool
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travelingfool
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Athiests FTW! \m/
For now...
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
hehe
BTW just as there are terrorists who claim they are representing Muslims, there are also terrorists claiming they represent Christians
Most of these are from poor & uneducated areas, and there are a lot more poor & uneducated Muslim areas than Christian ones
You've missed the point of my asking the question; why would you piss on my mother's grave?
In your analogy you compare the pastour's book burning with pissing on my mother's grave, and ask if I'd be angry/upset/hateful. The pastour's book burning would not make me angry, upset or make me hate him in anyway if it was just him burning books; likewise you pissing on my mother's grave make me particularly upset or hate you.
It's all-about the 'why'; the pastour is burning these books specifically to offend, incite violence, and to encourage further hatred; and that is why his actions make me angry.
Got a light ??
Familyguy1
Android Enthusiast
No, those that claim to represent Islam by bombing people are not true Muslims, as is the case with those that bomb abortion clinics and claim to be Christians is a fallacy as well.
Also, The thing with todays society though, is that for most people that dont think, the word Fundamentalist and Extremist are one in the same, although the definition of these two words vary greatly from one person to the next.
Its not being done, thought id add that just incase you did not read the thread..
travelingfool
Member
I understand what you are saying, I really do, but it's kind of apples and oranges. I do understand that the majority of Muslims are peaceful. I get that. It's just that the majority of Muslims don't strictly follow the Qu'ran. The Muslims who do follow it, to the letter, are the extremists who believe in advancing the cause of Allah through violence.
A Christian who follows the New Testament to the letter cannot ever resort to violence. What's the worst that a Christian can do who is faithful to New Testament teachings? Tell a Muslim he is going to Hell if he doesn't believe that Christ is the Messiah? But what is the worst a Muslim can do who is faithful to the Qu'ran? Well, unfortunately we've seen plenty of that.
For those who haven't seen it yet, read OstrichSak's post here, which list over one hundred verses in the Qu'ran that not only condone violence, but command it. Then, give me ONE verse from the New Testament that allows for or commands a Christian to be violent.
There isn't one, so I'll save you all the trouble. That's all I'm saying. It's simple. A Christian, who remains true to the New Testament, will never commit an act of violence. A Muslim, who remains true to the Qu'ran, must do violence, if his victim rejects Allah.
Now that said, I am very happy that most Muslims see the absurdity of their sacred scriptures and have chosen to reject them in favor of reason and sanity. This is a really good thing.
That's why I take issue with a Christian fundamentalist being compared to a Muslim extremist. All emotion aside, it's just pure logic. I know that this sounds harsh and intolerant, and I hate that, I really do. It makes me sound like a heartless person. But facts are facts.
Now please, people, don't come back at me with examples of the Crusades or Timothy McVeigh. Their actions are condemned in scripture, not condoned, so whatever they did, they did apart from the blessing of the New Testament. I couldn't care less what they claimed to be. Their fruits proved otherwise.
Apples and oranges.
Familyguy1
Android Enthusiast
Hopefully, that post will put an end to this thread...since its already worn out a lot 
infil
Well-Known Member
Please do not take this personally as it is in no way a personal attack on you, nor on your faith, but a few things said I would address.
All religions are loaded with absurdities. For you to claim christians wouldn't perpetrate violence in the name of the bible....explain the crusades please.
Religion is a constant contradiction used to lull people into a false sense of security and peace, essentially brain washing them into believing that there is someone else who is responsible for their actions, and they dont have control over their fate.
Show me one shred of proof. I find the idea of resurrection somewhat offensive in that it offers a false hope. Same with the afterlife. My belief system basically tells me that our short trip on this earth in this shell of a body is just that, a short ride that we have lease on this body for. When we die, we die. No big journeys, no big to do, its just the way it is. If someone has a sound moral structure, believing that you will be judged is not necessary, decide for yourself if your actions are moral and just. If you dont know right from wrong and your old enough to get on this forum, theres a bigger issue.
Everyone needs their own beliefs and Im all for that. I tend to need some sort of evidence. Do i believe that there was an actual person named Jesus? Yes I do. I also absolutely believe that the Romans with their all encompassing grasp and need to control everything would have been extremely brutal and harsh in the treatment of someone claiming to be a direct descendant of God, which would contradict everything the romans believed in.
I have a very hard time putting blind faith into something. My failing? maybe, but what works for me works for me and it satisfies my spiritual needs. I respect anyone who is able to put blind faith into something without question and if that comforts them, that is a wonderful thing.
Again I definitely mean no offense to anyone, and Know this post could be taken as quite inflammatory and insulting. Not my intentions. Just simply an opposing point of view.
travelingfool
Member
infil said:
No disrespect intended here, but please read my post, carefully this time, rather than just skimming it. I never said that people claiming to be Christians would never perpetuate violence in the name of the Bible. I said, "A Christian who follows the New Testament to the letter cannot ever resort to violence." That's a big difference.
And the Crusades? Well...please read the end of my post.
Where in the New Testament does it say that the Old Testament was no longer to be observed? 'cause there's some pretty abhorrent shit suggested therein.