I'd like to hear a politician take this opportunity to reach out to Muslims in other parts of the world and say something like, "You know how you have a small minority of people who call themselves Muslim but who are really batshit-crazy fundamentalists over whom you have no control? And you know how you don't wish to be judged by their actions? Well we in the US also have a small minority of batshit-crazy fundamentalists."
(And, true, at least this guy isn't planning on actually blowing anyone up, but other batshit-crazy *
Christian* fundamentalists have - see my earlier post which I'll also quote at the end of this post.)
Regarding the Islamic Community Center (that is neither a mosque nor located at Ground Zero).... It's been around for years. They've outgrown their current Community Center and are just moving to a new, bigger location. That's all.
They chose the new location many months ago - well before this became a big story. No one cared about the location and it wasn't controversial.
Laura Ingraham of Fox News actually praised the plans back in December. Now -
with the elections drawing near - she rails against it and has even said that building it would mean "the terrorists have won."
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... A muslim who I just heard today 8/9/2010 who poisoned and killed my dad's business partner in Malaysia so she can acquire all the wealth?
That's akin to saying "A [ethnicity-of-choice] man shot my daddy. Therefore I hate all [ethnicity-of-choice] people. In other words childish, ignorant, solipsistic thinking that leads to intolerance and is common to many (if not all) bigots.
I'm sorry mods for being really aggressive but I just hate what they believe in...
I should apologize, too, then, because I hate bigots and racists. Also, I'd bet that you don't know anything about what "they" believe in other than what you've been told by fear mongers.
...praising an allah before they blow themselves up? that that[sic] killing a westerner would automatically lead them to heaven?
I actually agree with you!! It's disgusting what fanatics will do in the name of religion. But if you think that's limited to any one religion then you are either blind or you don't pay attention.
...Just try to live in our generation, our reality and even in my shoes for once.
WTF are you talking about? To what generation do you belong? Whatever the answer, I assure you that there are many tolerant members of your (our?) generation.
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@nutadroid: Wow, where to begin? That was a stunning display of ignorance. I'll just pick a couple of highlights.
They protest their rights to build a mosque any where[sic] they please, yet have utter disregard (and disrespect) for the feelings of others.
That's like saying, "Those darned minorities don't respect my right to not want them to sit at the same lunch counter as me."
Yet on 9/11 when it was their time to stand on the plate, where were they? .... On 9/11 where were these so called "American Muslims"? Nowhere!!!!
Short answer: "They" were on the front lines dying in the attacks and running into those burning buildings trying to save lives, just like the brave heroes from other faiths. Oh, and, news flash, there
are Muslims in the US Armed Forces. You probably missed my previous post because it was merged in from another thread. I'll quote myself a little later. Just watch the video.
Why? because even though they would "verbally" condem[sic] the attack of "radical" muslims (which by the way I absolutely do not beleive[sic] there is a distinction) at the back of their heads they aplaud[sic] the attack.
Wholly unfounded pure bigotry.
If those people truly want to send a message, they should petition the State on New York to put that building of that Mosque near the twin towers to a vote.
When two "rights" are at odds a vote is necessary to resolve the issue. This would not only be a shining example of Democracy, but would also remind these people that if they wish to live in this country they have to live, respect and stand with the rest of us.
(emphases mine to point out what appears to be obvious bigotry)
That's like saying that Jim Crow laws should have been put to a vote in the South.
You didn't do very well in your civics classes, did you? There are not "two rights" at odds. What rights do you think are being violated by the building of a church/synagogue/temple/mosque?[/QUOTE]
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This is not a community center if it only accommodates a segment (Muslim faith) of said community. I find it quite difficult to believe that this facility would not be isolationist.
Honest question.... Would you say the same thing about a YMCA? (the "C" stands for "Christian," ya' know.) How about the Boy Scouts? There are tons of Christian-based community centers across the nation. Are none of them actually "community centers"? We have a Jewish Community Center in my city. Is that a misnomer, too?
This is based on you believing the intent stated. My issue with that is that if this was indeed the case and the intent was positive and about community, the organizers would work with the community on what was acceptable!
As I said before, the community center has been planned for quite a while now. It wasn't an issue until election season. Laura Ingraham of Fox News actually praised it back in December. Now - with the elections drawing near - she rails against it and has even said that building it would mean "the terrorists have won."
So your entire premise is flawed, because this wasn't controversial at the time they picked the location.
The burning of the Korans is being done purely to insult and offend?
The intent stated was "to mark the September 11th terrorist attacks".
That's obviously false, as there were Muslim victims of the terrorist attacks on September 11.
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My post from another thread that was merged into the first page of this thread:
There were muslim victims of the terrorist attacks on September 11th. There were also muslim emergency responders.
'9/11 Happened to Us All'
So I guess what the pastor means is that he wants to remember
some of the victims?
Al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists make up a tiny fraction of all muslims - Just like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols (the Oklahoma City bombing), Eric Rudolph (several bombings in the late 90s) and other Christian terrorists make up a tiny fraction of all Christians.
...but wait, what if they somehow come to a fundamental agreement with each other and decide to go after the regular normal people...with knives!!!
