Denied another job...it's not easy

[tommy_ed]

Not sure what your post meant...but I'm not amused.

it's from a movie... duece bigalow (the 2nd one)
one of the guys claims he's gay to get out of taking a client, and one of the other guys calls him out on it. You asked what would happen if someone called him out on not being homosexual. It was just a joke

 

[Frisco]

Oh man, instead of typing out all that I should've just posted this:

Pictures worth more than a thousand words, etc etc.

That's one of the best illustrations I've seen of black/white history in the U.S.

 

[lunatic59]

Quit your whining. Collective bargaining agreement gives money back to the smaller market teams. It's not the Yankees fault that the owners pocket the money instead of spending it on their star players or acquiring players.

Whoa ... don't get so defensive. It was sarcasm in the context of having to deal with things that are perceptibly unfair. I have no problem with the Yankees payroll.

 

[IOWA]

I'm sorry to hear that you're having difficulty find work, times certainly are tough right now. I would not be so quick to assume that this is a race issue though, as everybody is affected by the unemployment problem. Let's all try to keep this from turning this into a racially-centered debate.

No this IS a race issue, and it's complete bullshit. And if I ever find the idiot that came up with this idea, I'd shoot him & bury him myself.

Business's BY LAW are REQUIRED to keep a racial/ethnic diverisity within thier company, regardless of qualifications.

And if people REALLY want to complain about what the "White man" did to them, why don't they go blame the "Black Man" in Africa who FIRST IMPRISONED, ENSLAVED, AND THEN SOLD them to the "White man".

And yes, this is Personal to me, as I don't like being told who to hire in our business. Eff that, and I won't listen anyways.

 

[UBRocked]

it's from a movie... duece bigalow (the 2nd one)
one of the guys claims he's gay to get out of taking a client, and one of the other guys calls him out on it. You asked what would happen if someone called him out on not being homosexual. It was just a joke

Sorry tommy_ed...I thought you were implying that if you had to perform "favors" to get ahead.

My bad for not understanding your comment! Actually pretty funny now that I see what you were talking about...still probably not appropriate...but funny

 

[tommy_ed]

Sorry tommy_ed...I thought you were implying that if you had to perform "favors" to get ahead.

My bad for not understanding your comment! Actually pretty funny now that I see what you were talking about...still probably not appropriate...but funny

ahhh i see lol yes, probably still inappropriate in retrospect

 

[Ninja Monkey]

^^^ What TozyJay Said ^^^

Completely off topic......I love your avatar. WIN!

 

[Snow_Fox]

It's true, being a white male is difficult. Worse still if you're a straight white male. I mean, you suffer from lower pay on average, being treated like shit by institutions today, having racist slurs slung at you, having the media constantly portray you by terrible stereotypes and everything. Why, there's a history of your ethnicity being enslaved en masse, shipped off to be worked to death or sent to concentration camps just because of the color of your skin. I mean, gee.

I shed many, many tears for you, sir.

Discount racism against white people because, they are white.

Good job.

 

[Snow_Fox]

No this IS a race issue, and it's complete bullshit. And if I ever find the idiot that came up with this idea, I'd shoot him & bury him myself.

Business's BY LAW are REQUIRED to keep a racial/ethnic diverisity within thier company, regardless of qualifications.

And if people REALLY want to complain about what the "White man" did to them, why don't they go blame the "Black Man" in Africa who FIRST IMPRISONED, ENSLAVED, AND THEN SOLD them to the "White man".

And yes, this is Personal to me, as I don't like being told who to hire in our business. Eff that, and I won't listen anyways.

Slavery goes back to bible times, I don't see people complaining about the bible being racist
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@ frisco.

That is a horrible depiction of racism.

It implies EVERYONE white step on EVERYONE black.

It also implies there are no white people in the same position as black people.

The truth is there *IS* racism in the world.

I have known people who have never *ever* mentioned the word racism, unless they seriously felt there is an issue.

Then I have known people, who as I said before.. are taught form a young age what they are "owed"

My personal belief is you are born in no one's debt, and no one is born in your debt. The exception being parents. I firmly believe your parents are born into your debt. They owe it to you to care for you, which in this day in age goes all the way up till college.. The only person you will be indebt to naturally is your children.

I owe no one anything black white or other just because they are poor and I am not.

With that said, I do still believe people who are really trying to raise them self up in life should have opportunity.

Those who want to abuse good will towards those in need, deserve absolutely nothing.

 

[IOWA]

Slavery goes back to bible times, I don't see people complaining about the bible being racist
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@ frisco.

That is a horrible depiction of racism.

It implies EVERYONE white step on EVERYONE black.

It also implies there are no white people in the same position as black people.

The truth is there *IS* racism in the world.

I have known people who have never *ever* mentioned the word racism, unless they seriously felt there is an issue.

Then I have known people, who as I said before.. are taught form a young age what they are "owed"

My personal belief is you are born in no one's debt, and no one is born in your debt. The exception being parents. I firmly believe your parents are born into your debt. They owe it to you to care for you, which in this day in age goes all the way up till college.. The only person you will be indebt to naturally is your children.

I owe no one anything black white or other just because they are poor and I am not.

With that said, I do still believe people who are really trying to raise them self up in life should have opportunity.

Those who want to abuse good will towards those in need, deserve absolutely nothing.

BINGO!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

and you know what? My family didn't start out with what we got. Hell no. We lived off Ramen noodles and cheap food from Aldi (discounted grocery) My father started his business out of our garage when he got laid off. I remember helping him assemble things to go sell out at ball parks. And through a ton of hard work, we worked together as a family and achieved what we can now call success.

It was through hard work, some luck, and even more hard work. We didn't go on welfare for 9 years, nor food stamps. We didn't expect anyone to take care of us. We did it ourselves, and that's how it should be.

 

[Crude]

btw I do not now or have ever owned a slave, nor have I profited from some one who owns a slave. Maybe I'm getting the shaft here? I think that in order for there to be reperations made by the tax payer base as a whole then everyone should have been guilty of slavery. In order to fix this and continue payer reperations I say every one who like me has not profited from slavery be given a slave. Just to make things fair ya know

 

[IOWA]

btw I do not now or have ever owned a slave, nor have I profited from some one who owns a slave. Maybe I'm getting the shaft here? I think that in order for there to be reperations made by the tax payer base as a whole then everyone should have been guilty of slavery. In order to fix this and continue payer reperations I say every one who like me has not profited from slavery be given a slave. Just to make things fair ya know

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Never thought of it like that and I'm willing to bet most people haven't either. Awesome!

 

[MJM128]

Slavery goes back to bible times, I don't see people complaining about the bible being racist

Slavery in bible times was way more humane, and could more be compared to selling your services at a long time. Just google slavery in bible times. It was more like an indentured servant than a slave, and the slaves had to be treated with respect. Slavery in america was something that for some slaves was a horrible thing, while others were more humane.

I think we need to help everyone out regardless of race, but its kinda disturbing to me when people get into college just because of their race or into a work place just because of it, instead of because of their qualification. Reverse racism is still racism. But what do I know I'm just a white guy.

 

[MsRandall]

Bleh. Desk job gives priority to those who are ethnically diverse.

Curse being a white male!

As a Hiring Manager of a major Tecommunications company...if this is the way you react to not getting the job-Then I feel sorry for you!!!!

Sadly race is still as issue in America...When we should be focused on different issues...sheesh

 

[Intervenient]

As a Hiring Manager of a major Tecommunications company...if this is the way you react to not getting the job-Then I feel sorry for you!!!!

Sadly race is still as issue in America...When we should be focused on different issues...sheesh

As you are a hiring manager of a major telecommunications company, I at least expected you to spell it right.

Also, feel free to check out my updated story around the middle of the last page.

 

[Motormech]

Interesting, I believe the op posted "white male" yet not one person accused or even implied that he might be a sexist (at least I didn't see it anywhere) instead of a bigot. Although one person did mention homosexuality though. My computer must be broke because in the original post I did not see anywhere that the op stated who he lost the job to. Having grown up in the sixties and seventies it troubles me that people knee jerk to the most inflammatory definition they can think of. I had kinda hoped this country had moved past that crap but I guess not.

Just remember folks racism is not defined by the color of your skin, it is defined by the color of your hatred

 

[Motormech]

An ethnic group (or ethnicity) is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage, consisting of a common language, a common culture (often including a shared religion) and a tradition of common ancestry (corresponding to a history of endogamy).[1][2] [3][4]
Members of an ethnic group are conscious of belonging to an ethnic group; moreover ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness.

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group#cite_note-EB-4

 

[batgeek]

Just remember folks racism is not defined by the color of your skin, it is defined by the color of your hatred

wasn't that a GI Joe "And Knowing Is Half The Battle..." service announcement?

 

[Motormech]

wasn't that a GI Joe "And Knowing Is Half The Battle..." service announcement?

I guess it could be but when I was a kid GI Joe was a doll (action figure) and he didn't talk much.

 

[Intervenient]

Interesting, I believe the op posted "white male" yet not one person accused or even implied that he might be a sexist (at least I didn't see it anywhere) instead of a bigot. Although one person did mention homosexuality though. My computer must be broke because in the original post I did not see anywhere that the op stated who he lost the job to. Having grown up in the sixties and seventies it troubles me that people knee jerk to the most inflammatory definition they can think of. I had kinda hoped this country had moved past that crap but I guess not.

Just remember folks racism is not defined by the color of your skin, it is defined by the color of your hatred

For people choosing to read only what they choose to read:
http://androidforums.com/lounge/194976-denied-another-job-its-not-easy.html#post1718758

 

[Snow_Fox]

Yikes.. that is tough mate >.<;

 

[Crude]

as you are a hiring manager of a major telecommunications company, i at least expected you to spell it right.

Also, feel free to check out my updated story around the middle of the last page.

lol

 

[TozyJay]

No this IS a race issue, and it's complete bullshit. And if I ever find the idiot that came up with this idea, I'd shoot him & bury him myself.

Whoah easy, cowboy. If you read the posts in order you will see that what you quoted from me was written in response to the original post. It was not until after my post that the OP clarified that this was for a position at a university and that it was openly stated during the interview that they were required to look for an applicant that was part of a minority. What you quoted was written under the impression that the OP was not accepted for a position and had assumed it was a race-based decision. In that context, my post was entirely appropriate.

 

[GeorgeinLA]

Yeah...I wouldn't do that. Boy that would be an embarrassing interview if your interviewer fits into one of those groups and starts to question you on your involvement with those associations!

Only thing that will consistently work to make you stand out is to find ways to save the company money...and to be able to quantify that on a resume.

Not likely at all. In fact, it's very unlikely because asking about someone's ethnicity or sexual orientation during an interview could also be a huge red-flag from an HR/discrimination perspective.

I say this from experience, having just hired a candidate who appeared completely white, but had those two affiliations on her resume. Neither was mentioned at all during the interview, but here's how the end of the hiring committee discussion went:

A: Yeah, great group of applicants, but she might be the best.

B: Probably true, but it's too bad that it would mean that we lose an opportunity to get one of the candidates who would contribute to diversity.

C: Well, it says on her resume that she's native American.

A: And she's apparently GLBTQ.

B: Well, it's done then. Call the references!

Now, mind you that this applicant is extremely well-qualified, so it's not at all a case of someone being less qualified, and making up for it by putting a reference to a minority identity on their resume. It's just that she got the same "plus" factor that she would've gotten had she been black or Latino, and there's no particular reason to think that she's not 100% white.

 

[_J.J._]

Slavery in bible times was way more humane, and could more be compared to selling your services at a long time. Just google slavery in bible times. It was more like an indentured servant than a slave, and the slaves had to be treated with respect. Slavery in america was something that for some slaves was a horrible thing, while others were more humane.

I think we need to help everyone out regardless of race, but its kinda disturbing to me when people get into college just because of their race or into a work place just because of it, instead of because of their qualification. Reverse racism is still racism. But what do I know I'm just a white guy.

that's a negative... History has shown the that humans during those times were VERY harsh. There were no checks and balances, no U.N. to police internationally and it was common place throughout different parts of time. Often-times, when owners died, their personal servants (slaves) were killed and buried with them. Not very humane...

Slaves were forced to compete in gladiatorial games to the death. Not very humane

However, slavery then was of conquered peoples.... but if you look at the history of black slaves.... they were conquered tribes were sold to Europeans by the conquering tribes, Europeans then brought them to America. So it wasn't BECAUSE they were black, it was BECAUSE they were conquered that they were INITIALLY sold into slavery.

Blacks seem to think they are unique in the history of the world in the slavery picture.... sadly, they are not, they just happen to be the LAST. And believe it or not, slavery will again exist (legally) at some point in the future. It may or may not be blacks this time, but it will happen.