Psychokitty
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Enough "Pretty Girls" and Porn!
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RyanB
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Ouch, what's with all the hostility towards the Bible? I don't recall the OP mentioning it, yet several posters here seemed awfully quick to make snarky comments regarding it. Just saying.
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griswolds53
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i dont know many "kids" that are rocking a $200 droid and can afford a $30 data plan + $10 text plan in addition to the regular monthly phone bill.
That is unless YOU the parent are providing that for them. If you are then shame on you.
On the same token, if you have a job and can afford to have these things, then i would reason you are not a kid. A 17 year old is not a kid. sorry...i know you want to think that they are, but if you recall what you knew and how you acted at that age, i highly doubt some dumb app in the google market place is going to be something that you have not seen or heard already.
That is unless YOU the parent are providing that for them. If you are then shame on you.
On the same token, if you have a job and can afford to have these things, then i would reason you are not a kid. A 17 year old is not a kid. sorry...i know you want to think that they are, but if you recall what you knew and how you acted at that age, i highly doubt some dumb app in the google market place is going to be something that you have not seen or heard already.
Even Google (the king of open platforms) has censorship options on Google search. The point is for there to be an OPTION for concerned parents. This is not asking a lot, it kind of should be there from the beginning.
Shame on ME??????? Who the heck are you to judge???? My daughter gets straight A's and is a daughter that everyone would dream of. My wife and I come home from a date night and the house is cleaned and vacuumed... not only that but the neighborhood fights over who gets her to babysit!!!!!
So, it is my reward to her to give her the Alltel HTC hero.
Shame on YOU?????? LOL!!!!!!
Sounds like she's smart enough to avoid "pretty girl" apps then. Whats the problem? Honestly, with a kid, I'd way be more worried about them spending $$$ on dozens of useless apps.
Cut the negativity and the personal remarks, please.
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tiredhiker
Well-Known Member
Sorry but he is right. I love porn but when I want it I will go look for it. There should be a section for questionable things. I also believe there should be a .sex to keep this porn off to the side. Out of my way and still can find it when I want to. Good luck with your daughter. Mine is 5 and I hope she comes out like yours. I am raising her in Vietnam so I might have a chance. If your in the USA then how did you do it?
Psychokitty
Android Enthusiast
What "hostility towards the Bible"? The OP didn't have to mention it. What few synapses and neural connectors I do have left intact from viewing all that porn on my Droid created an awful metallic taste in my mouth and a visions of an angry Ned Flanders thumping a Bible at hypocritical ubercons while they tea-bagged each other when I read his post.
The fact is, there are very few types of people who would elect to have a corporation (Google) categorize (censor) apps based on what they (people that belive they posess superior moral character) feel is appropriate for who (everybody else). Most of those types of people, collectively, are the type to read the Bible on a regular basis so as to keep their better than everyone else's morality all nice and brightly polished. Most of those types of people, as individuals, are wholly naive and in some cases downright ignorant, regarding anything beyond their own homogeneous little bubble, having fear that temptation will suck that super-strong morality right out of them.
Am I generalizing? Yes.
Am I stereotyping? Yes.
Am I profiling? Yes.
Does it work? Yes.
How far off from the truth do you really think I am, here? What's the likelihood, percentage wise, that I'm correct? 51 or better?
grainysand
Android Expert
I'd say the negativity and personal remarks started from the OP. The assumption that anyone looking at porn must be addicted perverts is hilarious. The subsequent sanctimonious screeching about porn? Priceless. If she'd started off with a calm, rational tone, then she'd be entitled to be taken seriously. As it is, she reaps what she sowed.
Yes?
This may come as something of a shock, but the responsibility to parent your crotch-droppings well is... yours. Not Google's, not Android's, not your carrier's, not that of Internet strangers. Yours. You give your spawn access to something that can access porn and guess whose fault it is? Yours. You cough up that much cash for the device and data plan, month after month, for your contribution to overpopulation and she starts coming across/looking for porn--guess whose fault it is? Yours. You think a Hero and a hideously expensive data plan is an appropriate reward? That's fine, but guess whose responsibility it is to monitor your own brat's online activities? Why yes, that's yours too!
The Internet isn't your personal nanny or your unpaid nursery/daycare. Get over it.
Here is the Original Post by Randolph: (Assumption being made that Randolph is not a girl because the name sounds male)
Sorry my friend, but the OP was not being negative or said anything personal. I am not sure how you read that post and took it as saying "anyone looking at porn must be [an] addicted pervert".
The fella sounds like he is doing a fair job of parenting his daughter.
Being alive gives you access to porn.
Wow. "Contribution to overpopulation"? The man simply has a daughter and he is contributing to overpopulation??
Brat? Man, this girl is not my daughter and I don't even know the dude, but I am offended for him. Where do you get calling her a brat?? If he was face to face with you I wouldn't be surprise if this went to blows.
Apparently you are misunderstanding a lot of things here. But I guess that is to be expected since you didn't even really read the original post (as evidenced by above) before spewing your rant. It isn't about having the internet babysit for people. It is about getting another option to filter searches. While I am heavily for parents to take care of their own kids instead of expecting society to parent their kids for them, I believe it is also very fair to have as much tools available to help people parent their kids.
By comparison, it is like giving your child a car (new, old, don't care) and teaching your child to drive super safely and very carefully. But guess what? Accidents happen. Part of life (similar to porn). Well, nothing wrong with wanting a car that has seat belts, airbags, anti-lock brakes etc. By your line of logic, you'd expect parents to sit with their kids every time they drive anywhere because they need to parent their kids. And parents need to stand next to the children whenever they are using the phone because how else can they "monitor [their] brat's online activities" without tools...such as...wait for it...a filter for what their children search for!
I am rather tempted to go off on what kind of a person I think you are, but I'll leave that to the father. I am sure he'll have some choice words for you.
bluenova
OK Computer
As far as I can see the OP said no such thing.
Tim K said:
I totally agree with this post.
grainysand
Android Expert
Right. I conflated him with the person a few posts down, being Eklecktica, who mentioned some ridiculous non-academic "research" and spouted that laughable spiel about "addiction."
victorhooi
Lurker
heya,
OK, I'm a Christian, and while I certainly have views on pornography, I really don't like the idea of censoring things.
It's a slippery slope, and you eventually end up in a situation like China, where censoring pornography is a euphemism for censoring criticism of government, or of any views that you don't like.
E.g.:
Chinadaily BBS - China Watch - Should China censor porn sites ??
Also, while I don't agree with the tone or language of grainysands, I have to say he/she makes a good point - ultimately, it's *your* job to parent your child. Firstly, why on earth would you give your kid a $500 phone? It makes no sense. Heck, I don't think I even got a phone till I was what, 15? My parents tried to give me one when I was younger (around 10, I think?), and the school actually tried to confiscate it.
I eventually got a phone when *I* bought it, from memory. Make your damn kid work and earn their keep, and they might treasure it a bit more. I certainly wouldn't have been able to afford a Nexus and a data plan on my wages from the local electronics store.
Anyhow, that aside, if your argument is you need to contact your kids, what's wrong with a cheap $50 Nokia? Seriously.
If you want to let your kid surf the net, well, there's the risk of pornography. Sorry, but it's out there. You can't keep watch on your kid 24/7. But then, if you say, let your kid off the leash and let them browse the newsagency, Gosh, lo and behold, they might see a pornography magazine. Ultimately, it comes down to 1. Do you trust your child? and 2. Have you explained to them what is good and Lordly, and what is not?
If you really feel that way, install something like CovenantEyes, and get them to let somebody in their youth-group keep them accountable, either a brother/sister there or a leader. Not you, because trust me, as a kid (or just out of teenagehood), nothing jives them more.
On another note, I really hate the generalisation of people on this board about Christinas. It's nearly as bad as Slashdot, with all the anti-Christian rhetoric. You realise that ironically, you're making yourselves appear to be the rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth fanatics that you try to paint us to be? Most Christians hardly fit the clownish stereotypes you use - they're not perfect, certainly, but they're generally open-minded, and are happy to discuss your beliefs with you. They'll tell you why they believe the things if you ask them, but they certainly don't force you to believe what they do - you can't *force* somebody to love God.
On a final note, I've had my phone for a week, and I have yet to see a single pornography or girly app. Seriously, I don't know where the heck you guys are looking. Admittedly, most of the apps I've got I either knew by name beforehand (e.g. Dropbox, or OliveReader), or I did a specific search. Still, it'd be damn hard to find a bad app, at least in my experience.
And it's kinda ironic how I found this threat, I was trying to find a bible app for my new Nexus, haha, and I used the keyword "bible".
Cheers,
Victor
OK, I'm a Christian, and while I certainly have views on pornography, I really don't like the idea of censoring things.
It's a slippery slope, and you eventually end up in a situation like China, where censoring pornography is a euphemism for censoring criticism of government, or of any views that you don't like.
E.g.:
Chinadaily BBS - China Watch - Should China censor porn sites ??
Also, while I don't agree with the tone or language of grainysands, I have to say he/she makes a good point - ultimately, it's *your* job to parent your child. Firstly, why on earth would you give your kid a $500 phone? It makes no sense. Heck, I don't think I even got a phone till I was what, 15? My parents tried to give me one when I was younger (around 10, I think?), and the school actually tried to confiscate it.
I eventually got a phone when *I* bought it, from memory. Make your damn kid work and earn their keep, and they might treasure it a bit more. I certainly wouldn't have been able to afford a Nexus and a data plan on my wages from the local electronics store.
Anyhow, that aside, if your argument is you need to contact your kids, what's wrong with a cheap $50 Nokia? Seriously.
If you want to let your kid surf the net, well, there's the risk of pornography. Sorry, but it's out there. You can't keep watch on your kid 24/7. But then, if you say, let your kid off the leash and let them browse the newsagency, Gosh, lo and behold, they might see a pornography magazine. Ultimately, it comes down to 1. Do you trust your child? and 2. Have you explained to them what is good and Lordly, and what is not?
If you really feel that way, install something like CovenantEyes, and get them to let somebody in their youth-group keep them accountable, either a brother/sister there or a leader. Not you, because trust me, as a kid (or just out of teenagehood), nothing jives them more.
On another note, I really hate the generalisation of people on this board about Christinas. It's nearly as bad as Slashdot, with all the anti-Christian rhetoric. You realise that ironically, you're making yourselves appear to be the rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth fanatics that you try to paint us to be? Most Christians hardly fit the clownish stereotypes you use - they're not perfect, certainly, but they're generally open-minded, and are happy to discuss your beliefs with you. They'll tell you why they believe the things if you ask them, but they certainly don't force you to believe what they do - you can't *force* somebody to love God.
On a final note, I've had my phone for a week, and I have yet to see a single pornography or girly app. Seriously, I don't know where the heck you guys are looking. Admittedly, most of the apps I've got I either knew by name beforehand (e.g. Dropbox, or OliveReader), or I did a specific search. Still, it'd be damn hard to find a bad app, at least in my experience.
And it's kinda ironic how I found this threat, I was trying to find a bible app for my new Nexus, haha, and I used the keyword "bible".
Cheers,
Victor
Personal choice. To restrict parents from giving such a phone is pretty much like censoring.
So if the kid works and has the money to buy their own phone then can the parents ask for a way to filter and categorize searches?
Good point. But what if the kid would like a way to categorize their searches on their phone that they bought with their own money they earned mowing lawns?
Speaking as a Christian myself, I meet Christians who are trying to shove God at people all the time. And sadly Christians that make the most noise on the media are the kind of "Christians" that go to Westboro Baptist Church and protest at soldiers funerals. You can't force someone to love God, but it sure doesn't stop people from trying!
grainysand
Android Expert
"Censoring" doesn't mean what you think it means. Nobody's restricting anyone from giving whatever they want to their spawn. What is being said is that if you give your spawn a device with which they can browse the Internet at will from anywhere, the ball's on you to monitor said device and restrict can/can't be done with the device. Pointing out personal responsibility has nothing to do with censorship, sorry.
If you read what I wrote, I said "to restrict parents from giving etc" is similar to censoring. I did not say parenting your kid is.
Besides I also mentioned in another post above about parenting and personal responsibilities. Did you catch that post?
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RandolphNY
Well-Known Member
As the OP, many of the comments expressed my thoughts both ways.
I just wanted to get across the fact that everyday, when I go through the "new apps" how many of these sites you have to go through.
I used the kid statement for two reasons, yes to open the discussion, but also, "I am one of those parents" that has given my daughter a free Eris when I purchased my "DROID".
Why?, because as another mentioned, I have a great 14 year old daughter who has earned it with her grades, effort and even morals.
There was also a mention of showing others the available apps, Maybe I shouldn't be going to the new apps site to show off, but again this is where they are seen.
Finally, as I mentioned later, The first time I did a Disney Search, there were porn sites listed.....Yes, on Disney.
I also don't agree with censoring, but there is a place for everything and "new apps" is not a good location for it.
Regarding the moderator, I agree, Why does there always have to be individual bashing? Discussions should be about the subject, not each other!
I just wanted to get across the fact that everyday, when I go through the "new apps" how many of these sites you have to go through.
I used the kid statement for two reasons, yes to open the discussion, but also, "I am one of those parents" that has given my daughter a free Eris when I purchased my "DROID".
Why?, because as another mentioned, I have a great 14 year old daughter who has earned it with her grades, effort and even morals.
There was also a mention of showing others the available apps, Maybe I shouldn't be going to the new apps site to show off, but again this is where they are seen.
Finally, as I mentioned later, The first time I did a Disney Search, there were porn sites listed.....Yes, on Disney.
I also don't agree with censoring, but there is a place for everything and "new apps" is not a good location for it.
Regarding the moderator, I agree, Why does there always have to be individual bashing? Discussions should be about the subject, not each other!
griswolds53
Member
amen.
I am glad that the previous posters child is vacuuming and doing chores. They should be rewarded with a $200 phone and $50 a month service package. Just to think i did all these things growing up without being rewarded. All my parents did was cloth me and feed me. I am going to call them tonight and tell them what terrible parents they are for not buying me things for doing chores around the house. I got good grades...where is my dam car!!
Rewards for household chores!?! I guess shame on ME for not buying my kid a smartphone for cutting the grass....I am a terrible parent for slipping him a twenty spot every other week.
RandolphNY
Well-Known Member
I guess if it is such an issue, why do you have one? I just stated "free phone" and family plan is a family plan period. Yes, it includes a data plan, but you are not getting the point of this thread....
.....where does the porn sites belong? A search is one thing, but in the "all applications, "just in"", I don't think so! Again, lets look at the issue, not who should or should not have a phone.
griswolds53
Member
I am simply replying to a post that was made on an internet forum. I have no issue. I did not start the topic...just responding to it with my opinion. If the op did not want feedback he should have not posted. I can't help it that i dont agree with him. He does not have agree with me. America is beautiful place to be.
And a kid having a smartphone is part of the post. If it was a plain flip phone this would not be an issue.