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Epic 4G vs Nexus S 4G - Basics

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I'm not a big phone tech person, and had just recently made the decision to go with the Epic 4G, and yes, the physical keyboad was a small selling point for me. I'm getting rid of my 3 year old Nokia flip phone if that tells you anything. :rolleyes:

Anyways, can someone just throw some basic information (other than the keyboard options) my way to help me understand if I should stick with my decision and go Epic, or if I should reconsider and go Nexus.

Thanks in advance!
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epic has HD recording (for now)
keyboard
led notification

meanwhile the nexus brings nice steady upgrades and nfc to the table
 
Epic is 99.99 at Best Buy right now and I thought I did see it cheaper elsewhere online........
200.00 for the Nexus on Monday......If they have any left. Nexus will be PURE Google Android meaning there should be no Sprint/Samsung bloatware.
 
i dont think you will have an issue with finding one.. i was the only one at my store who preordered one

not sure if the demand is all there...
 
The Nexus doesn't have an SD card either. There is a partition on the phone making it believe there is, but there isn't a physical SD card present. Just something to keep in mind as well.

Not sure if you're into the whole rooting and ROMing thing, but if you are, it's just something you may want to consider.
 
IMO I prefer stock rom. To me it's like buying a Dodge and then try and make it look like a Chevy...LOL

Either phone is good but I forgot about the no SD card slot. The 16 gig limit does not give you much space to play with.
 
dksnet said:
Epic is 99.99 at Best Buy right now and I thought I did see it cheaper elsewhere online........
200.00 for the Nexus on Monday......If they have any left. Nexus will be PURE Google Android meaning there should be no Sprint/Samsung bloatware.
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Radio Shack has the Epic 4g for $19.00 for new coustomers and $49.00 contract updates. :o
 
I think it's more like buying a toyota, rooting it and flashing he lexus upgrade.

No keyboard. No expandable memory. No gorilla glass. And gingerbread is on the way. I can root and get stock gingerbread once the official is release. Think the appeal is for the slate crowd that bought an evo but wanted a galaxy phone. Outside of the updates, I don't see the appeal unless you truly hate physical keyboards.
dksnet said:
IMO I prefer stock rom. To me it's like buying a Dodge and then try and make it look like a Chevy...LOL

Either phone is good but I forgot about the no SD card slot. The 16 gig limit does not give you much space to play with.
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dbpaddler said:
I think it's more like buying a toyota, rooting it and flashing he lexus upgrade.

No keyboard. No expandable memory. No gorilla glass. And gingerbread is on the way. I can root and get stock gingerbread once the official is release. Think the appeal is for the slate crowd that bought an evo but wanted a galaxy phone. Outside of the updates, I don't see the appeal unless you truly hate physical keyboards.
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or for people who like stock android? 2.4/3.1 (ice cream) is looming.. im sure that a samsung update for the epic will be ages away :D and the current state of cm7 for the epic.. i dont expect cm8 will blast on off. the biggest irk that i have with the nexus is otterbox stopped production for the nexus s. but for the record i went from heroc, epic, to g2 and now to the nexus s 4g. once it gets hardware accelertation it will blow any other phone save teh evo 3d away in pure speed...
 
Still loving my Evo and my Epic. Would not buy a Nexus S due to the limitaions mentioned above. I consider it crippling of the device.

Flashed my Evo / Epic and soon the Captivate will be done...so much harder without a SD card.
 
curious on how its harder? all i had to do was boot into fastboot type fastboot oem unlock, then fastboot flash recovery clockworkmod-crespo.img

from there i booted into android and put whatever files i wanted to flash on the sdcard and booted into recovery...
 
Shabbypenguin said:
curious on how its harder? all i had to do was boot into fastboot type fastboot oem unlock, then fastboot flash recovery clockworkmod-crespo.img

from there i booted into android and put whatever files i wanted to flash on the sdcard and booted into recovery...
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I'm the paranoid type who don't trust leaving data on the phone when I'm flashing ROMs or recoveries.

On my captivate for instance, all the critical data was stored on the internal SD card. It took quite a while to copy the files over to my computer before I felt comfortable flashing.

I also don't like to use the microUSB cables to move files over as the cables can get flaky, so I used SwiFTP to move files via wifi, which is slower but I don't have the cable locking down my Captivate.

Given how I had to flash from rfs to EXT4 on my Epic, realized I needed something back in my old rfs ROM, and then flashing it back to my old DI18 ROM, taking screenshots, data, then flashing back to the new ROM again, it was so much easier just swapping out different microSD cards to get it done, than relying on slow data transfers with the non-removable internal SD card. (I actully had to convert EXT4 back to RFS / CWM 2.5.5, but still couldn't recover, so had to use ODIN to restore my stock DI18 ROM just to restore my NAND back up, so the process was so much easier and comfortable knowing my data was safe on the removable SD card that I had set aside, as opposed to stressing out about it if it was internal to the phone and wondering if it would get accidentally wiped or damaged.)

Just a lot of things that I personally value - security of my data, backing up of my data, all of the important things that I believe a user should do before recklessly flasihng recoveries / ROMs, are made so much easier with swappable external SD cards. My data is more valuable to me than the physical phone itself. I can buy another phone, I can't always buy the data I've spent months collection / creating.

Finally, should I brick a phone, the data on the external SD card is still available to me, not so sure about the internal SD card - if it can be accessed at all if you brick the phone.

Major disadvantages to not having a swappable SD card, from my perspective. And I come from having flashed ROMs on more than half a dozen Android phones and tablets (8 Android devices to date).
 
sorry bout that, i was hoping that the nexus s would someday get hd recording, just that android lacked a proper encoding codec, just like the nexus 1. but everywhere im reading shows its a hardware issue.. not just software
 
If Ice Cream Sandwich was on the Nexus S tomorrow, would having it be more important to you than HD recording, LED notifications, Keyboard and SD slot.

This is probably the key way to knowing which is right for you.

Personally, I'd take Ice Cream Sandwich, which is why I opted for the Nexus S, and will probably get nothing but Google phones in the future, as long as Sprint has them.
 
wouldn't even have to think. I'd stick with the Epic. A physical keyboard and full visual on the screen is just key for extensive emails and work in docs to go. Supersedes everything for me.

But your idea is about as fictitious as can be since it won't be available till the 4th quarter. By then, the Epic SII (whatever it will be called) will be either out or close to being released. So there's even less appeal basing the decision on the OS.

viber said:
If Ice Cream Sandwich was on the Nexus S tomorrow, would having it be more important to you than HD recording, LED notifications, Keyboard and SD slot.

This is probably the key way to knowing which is right for you.

Personally, I'd take Ice Cream Sandwich, which is why I opted for the Nexus S, and will probably get nothing but Google phones in the future, as long as Sprint has them.
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dbpaddler said:
wouldn't even have to think. I'd stick with the Epic. A physical keyboard and full visual on the screen is just key for extensive emails and work in docs to go. Supersedes everything for me.

But your idea is about as fictitious as can be since it won't be available till the 4th quarter. By then, the Epic SII (whatever it will be called) will be either out or close to being released. So there's even less appeal basing the decision on the OS.
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the epic 2! now shipping with froyo!

samsung was quoted as saying "we will have gingerbread update by the end of november!"

"or sometime in december"
"due to unseen delays ginger bread WILL arrive on the epic 4g 2 by january!"
"samsung is proud to announce an update that will bring all epic 4g 2 phones to gingerbread, it is FE08, sprint plans on rolling out the update beginning may 5th"
 
Shabbypenguin said:
the epic 2! now shipping with froyo!

samsung was quoted as saying "we will have gingerbread update by the end of november!"

"or sometime in december"
"due to unseen delays ginger bread WILL arrive on the epic 4g 2 by january!"
"samsung is proud to announce an update that will bring all epic 4g 2 phones to gingerbread, it is FE08, sprint plans on rolling out the update beginning may 5th"
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epic 4g 2 <------- What's that? Please post links to all the info you have listed outtakes from......

Sorry guys n gals. I don't see Gingerbread coming to the Epic 4g nor will I hold my breath waiting. I'm no apple fan but they do release their updates as promised.

proofs in the pudding. LOL
 
Whatever dudes. Considering Sprint's on EE03 or whatever testing GB on the Epic, I could really care less what the negative nellies say. The Nexus S does zero to help me be productive throughout the day compared to the Epic, and the OS revision at this point doesn't do anything to help either that would make me want to lose the functionality of a hard keyboard, extra screen real estate and more than 16gb on board.

So if you're phone is just a modding toy, and you get your rocks off by having the latest dessert on your plate, then go for it. I'll keep churning with the Epic and Bonsai (since ACS will be moving on to the Nexus apparently ;)) until the Epic 2 comes out. I just can't see getting into another contract and paying $200 for inferior hardware (for my needs anyway...hard keyboard and 28gb of a 32gb card filled on the Epic) just because I'll have Ice Cream by Halloween. I'd rather have a slider with S2 specs running Gingerbread than a keyboardless neutered Epic running Ice Cream anyway.

dsknet: Apple reference, really? Lame. Like I or most here really cares what Apple does or doesn't do. Heck, I'll bring up a few things iOS does better than Android (email for one), but it's not going to get me to buy an iphone. And if Gingerbread does hit in the summer, I'll be happy with their newer upgrade timelines. It's about what have you done for me lately. I don't care how the Behold or Moment was handled at this point. Froyo was slow to come. GB should be much quicker. I'm fine.
 
dksnet said:
epic 4g 2 <------- What's that? Please post links to all the info you have listed outtakes from......

Sorry guys n gals. I don't see Gingerbread coming to the Epic 4g nor will I hold my breath waiting. I'm no apple fan but they do release their updates as promised.

proofs in the pudding. LOL
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perhaps you should read the forum more, acs already posted one leak, and showed off a new screen :P

acs has no intention of "moving" to the ns4g we are just expanding.

its more then just an os number otherwise cm7 on the epic would be able to keep up with the nexus s 4g
 
I know part of that was directed at me. Use a sense of humor much or should I put two smilies after next time? i read plenty. The leaked stuff is nice and all but nothing worthwhile to flash to as of yet And the screenshot you posted doesn't really give much info unless there's some small specifics we should be looking for that you obviously see and many of us don't. Or if it's just to show some new rooted confirmation screen. Maybe my geekiness doesn't extend that far to be wowed by it. Not being mean there, just didn't get the significance of it (a few others didn't either).
 
dbpaddler said:
I know part of that was directed at me. Use a sense of humor much or should I put two smilies after next time? i read plenty. The leaked stuff is nice and all but nothing worthwhile to flash to as of yet And the screenshot you posted doesn't really give much info unless there's some small specifics we should be looking for that you obviously see and many of us don't. Or if it's just to show some new rooted confirmation screen. Maybe my geekiness doesn't extend that far to be wowed by it. Not being mean there, just didn't get the significance of it (a few others didn't either).
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you are correct in taht part of my reply was directed at you, the first part was directed at the person saying there wont be gingerbread.. hence why i quoted them, my apologies ill try to make it a bit more clear about who i am talking to next time.

but no towards you, please forgive my brash approach, as i read this reply just after seeing your other one. as you can understand i dont want ACS getting the image that its given up on the epic. as for the picture, it shows 4g connected (i am lucky enough that i have great 4g coverage here) which is something ed12 (first gb leak) didnt have due to a messed up modem.. with 4g being shown off it shows that the modem has been fixed as all of its dependents (gps, bt, wimax, voice, data etc etc) i can confirm netflix works out of the box, all you need to do is just install it. as always i will continue to post new things here asap when teh team releases them :D

once again i apologize if i came off as an ahole, but from what i got out of both your posts was an attack on the team :(, sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
We all have our moments which is why I try to throw in some humor here and there. It's all good. And you actually just got me to sign up to the ACS site. EE03 looks very promising, and I can definitely see a mid june official release though I and many here will be munching on gingerbread much sooner thanks to you guys. I donated to bonsai my last go around. This time I'll make sure to donate to you guys.
Shabbypenguin said:
you are correct in taht part of my reply was directed at you, the first part was directed at the person saying there wont be gingerbread.. hence why i quoted them, my apologies ill try to make it a bit more clear about who i am talking to next time.

but no towards you, please forgive my brash approach, as i read this reply just after seeing your other one. as you can understand i dont want ACS getting the image that its given up on the epic. as for the picture, it shows 4g connected (i am lucky enough that i have great 4g coverage here) which is something ed12 (first gb leak) didnt have due to a messed up modem.. with 4g being shown off it shows that the modem has been fixed as all of its dependents (gps, bt, wimax, voice, data etc etc) i can confirm netflix works out of the box, all you need to do is just install it. as always i will continue to post new things here asap when teh team releases them :D

once again i apologize if i came off as an ahole, but from what i got out of both your posts was an attack on the team :(, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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