Fascinate vs Droid X

[TheXFactor]

This thread is insane, especially if someone is saying the Droid X has a sharper display then the Fascinate? What the Hell are u smoking who ever said that? The display on the Fascinate, along with the Galaxy S line Burns anything available on the market right now! The X screen looks like old technology next to the Fascinate, that's not opinion, that's fact! Now is the X a bad phone? Absolutely not, its a very capable phone, and has the backing of a great company in Motorola. However I just don't see it being better then the Fascinate. I have the Evo, which is pretty much the same size as the x, and I gotta say the form factor on the Fascinate just puts it ahead of any other large phone available right now. We can all argue until were blue in the face, but in the end it comes down to what you like, and what's going to best fit your needs! For me, the Fascinate is an insane device, and does all I need in a phone, which is why I give it the title of being the best Android phone on vzw right now, any negatives are way outweighed by so many positives!

Nice try. I said the text appears more crisp, sharper to me on the X. I never said the screen itself appears sharper, just the text. But, if you consider over-saturated colors better, good for you. And if the screen is the only advantage you see with the fAsCiNaTe, cool. I look at the big picture and the X > fAsCiNaTe.

 

[SirKronan]

This thread is insane, especially if someone is saying the Droid X has a sharper display then the Fascinate? What the Hell are u smoking who ever said that? The display on the Fascinate, along with the Galaxy S line Burns anything available on the market right now! The X screen looks like old technology next to the Fascinate, that's not opinion, that's fact!

No. That's not fact. There are fundamental technological differences in the way these technologies form text that make it look crisper on a TFT LCD. Don't confuse "contrasty" with "crisp". The SuperAMOLED screen is certainly more contrasty, and maintains very high resolution on a 4" screen, but the way that OLED technology forms white text is different than a TFT LCD. LCD's are still king when it comes to viewing text. OLED technology is closing the gap, and remember, this is not my bias coming through here, because I personally went with the Fascinate. I read great amounts of text on the Droid X and the Fascinate SIDE BY SIDE in various lighting conditions and for great amounts of time. It's hard to tell in brighter conditions, but if you're reading "a la ebook style" at night, look closely and you can actually see cross-pixel patterns on your SuperAmoled screen that are not existent in the TFT LCD, especially in white text.

But is it [the iPhone 4] better than the Samsung Galaxy S’s screen? If you’re hawk eyed, you will begin to notice the grain and edges of text and icons on the Samsung Galaxy S, but you’ll never see them on the iPhone 4. If you’re really fussy, this could be a dealbreaker, but when held from a reasonsable distance, we do think it genuinely comes down to personal premise, about how exaggerated you like your colours. And we’d still recommend the Samsung Galaxy S over the iPhone 4 for video fans, simply because its file format support is so broad.

It takes good vision, paying attention, and a fairly dark room to notice, but it's true. I have been using OLED displays since their infancy, as long as LCD's and LCD's are fundamentally good at producing text with crisp edges. This is something they excel at, and the screen on the Droid X is not only no exception, but it's a particularly good TFT LCD, one of the best you can get on a smartphone today. Just because you don't notice or can't tell, or love your fascinate to pieces, that doesn't make what you're saying true.

Nice try. I said the text appears more crisp, sharper to me on the X. I never said the screen itself appears sharper, just the text. But, if you consider over-saturated colors better, good for you. And if the screen is the only advantage you see with the fAsCiNaTe, cool. I look at the big picture and the X > fAsCiNaTe.

I like the oversaturated colors and overbright brightness in the sun for sure. And movies on the Galaxy S pop. Colored images look plenty sharp on the SuperAMOLED, too, but you speak truth. Text is sharper. Like I said above, it's one thing LCD technology excels at. OLED excels at contrast ratios, and devilishly black blacks. SuperAMOLED gives you the industry's best viewing angles and brightness that just freaking pops.

This is a crappy video, but they talk about the pixelation on the display in the text:

YouTube - Super AMOLED vs Super LCD vs Retina Display

Also notice that out of the screens the Galaxy S has insane contrast and brightness. A lot of people are going to mistake (especially at a distance) that for being "sharp" or "crisp."

Use them side by side. Look at some tiny text on a webpage, and you will notice it. If you don't then it doesn't matter. You'll be perfectly happy with the SuperAMOLED. Even if it's different at first, in a day or two you get used to it. Our brains can become accustomed to an awful lot of things, and this is no exception. Soon, someone will no longer see patterns, and just see words, which is what's important.

And remember, that even if the TFT LCD is sharper, sharper text doesn't help me if I strain to see it in bright sunlight. Sometimes it's more important just to see the phone at all. That's ultimately one of the main reasons I went with the fascinate. The other main reason was ergonomics.

Edit: Here's another analysis from an editorial review on the Galaxy S screen ...

Here’s a quick comparison between the iPhone 4′s Retina Display and the Samsung Galaxy S’s super AMOLED. The first thing you will notice is the PenTile Matrix sub-pixels arrangement on the Super AMOLED which make the panel look really inferior to the IPS LCD on the iPhone 4. People will automatically jump to the conclusion that the higher pixel density on the iPhone 4 is the winner here, but this isn’t the case. The problem here is the PenTile Matrix which cause the image to look fuzzy not the lower PPI. A interesting test would be to snap a couple of pictures of the Droid X or regular Droid screen and compare them to the Retina Display of the iPhone 4. Both Motorola handsets have a similar ISP LCD panel as Apple’s device (but with lower PPI because of the size of their screens) so you probably won’t notice any major difference other than the smaller size of the pixels on the iPhone 4 (check out how the LCD panel of the HTC HD2 compares to the PenTile Matrix on the HTC Desire here). I personally think that Apple made a good decision when going for an IPS panel instead of a Super AMOLED now that it is known that Samsung’s latest and greatest tech still uses the PenTile Matrix. Sure you won’t notice any big differences from a normal viewing dsitance but the text does look fuzzier and can be a little bit annoying after a while

Source

 

[sean76]

OK guys were in a Fascinate Forum thread...most in here like the fascinate better, screen and all, its why we went with it. If you like the Droid X better, that's great, bring it to the Droid X part of the Forum and boast all ya want. So since I went with the Fascinate ,I'll say I like the screen on the Amoled way better then my HTC EVO with its LCD screen...its brighter, more vibrant, and just looks beautiful to the eye, as well as being more crisp IMO!

 

[TheXFactor]

OK guys were in a Fascinate Forum thread...most in here like the fascinate better, screen and all, its why we went with it. If you like the Droid X better, that's great, bring it to the Droid X part of the Forum and boast all ya want. So since I went with the Fascinate ,I'll say I like the screen on the Amoled way better then my HTC EVO with its LCD screen...its brighter, more vibrant, and just looks beautiful to the eye, as well as being more crisp IMO!

Isn't this a thread about the X vs the fAsCiNaTe?

 

[sean76]

Isn't this a thread about the X vs the fAsCiNaTe?

OK your name says it all! U obviously belong in the Droid X forums, not in the Fascinate Forums. This a thread about someone on the fence of what phone to choose...I say Fascinate!

 

[SirKronan]

OK your name says it all! U obviously belong in the Droid X forums, not in the Fascinate Forums. This a thread about someone on the fence of what phone to choose...I say Fascinate!

I believe he was responding to the part I bolded:

This thread is insane, especially if someone is saying the Droid X has a sharper display then the Fascinate? What the Hell are u smoking who ever said that? The display on the Fascinate, along with the Galaxy S line Burns anything available on the market right now! The X screen looks like old technology next to the Fascinate, that's not opinion, that's fact!

If you like the Droid X better, that's great, bring it to the Droid X part of the Forum and boast all ya want. So since I went with the Fascinate ,I'll say I like the screen on the Amoled way better then my HTC EVO with its LCD screen...its brighter, more vibrant, and just looks beautiful to the eye, as well as being more crisp IMO!

He's here to weigh in with his opinions about why he likes the Droid X or how he compares it to the fascinate. It's very useful to compare a wide variety of opinions before jumping in to a big purchase like this. Even if you get the phone on Free Smartphone Friday at Best Buy, you're still paying for it with the 2 year data contract. If you're on your phone a lot and depend on it to complete important tasks, then you need to go in knowing as much as possible to get the device that best fits your needs.

Maybe he will stress a feature he loves about the Droid X, and I will stress a different feature I love about the Fascinate. If a reader really needs the feature mentioned on the Droid X and couldn't care less about the feature I mentioned on the Fascinate, it will help steer him/her towards the best phone for THAT PERSON. His opinions and observations are just as important as yours in a Fascinate vs. Droid X forum.

And your definition of "crisp text" is obviously different than mine, or you perhaps don't read enough webpages or ebooks on your phone to notice any difference.

Those patterns are EXACTLY the patterns someone with good eyesight is going to see if they transition from an LCD based smartphone to an OLED based smartphone (until you become accustomed). Those patterns are EXACTLY what first noticed when going from the Droid X to the Fascinate. It was enough to give me pause and make me question if I was going to be able to stand it or not.

Fortunately, Samsung's Super AMOLED appears to have licked the outdoor readability issue while bettering the features that made us fall in love with AMOLEDs in the first place. First off, it's thinner since the touch sensors are now integrated into the display; colors are more vivid due to the removal of the obfuscating touch sensor layer that sits on top of TFT LCD and traditional AMOLED touchscreen displays; and even the viewing angle has been improved. You won't find a soundtrack in the video posted after the break because the technology is already booming enough.

They made all those improvements to make Super AMOLED the awe inspiring display that it is. And it is certainly inspiring. But it still uses the same fundamental method to display text. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they aren't there. They physically are, and that is physically and factually the way AMOLED and Super AMOLED screens display text.

So you can continue to spout your incorrect definition of "crisp" here if you wish, but I will use the one from the dictionary:

notably sharp, clean-cut, and clear

Ultimately, we can agree to disagree on that point. But one thing I don't appreciate is when you tell an owner of one of the phones questioned in this thread to go elsewhere to boast about his phone (although his posts were becoming a bit "fanboyish" and redundant ...) only to boast yourself about the other phone questioned in this thread title.

 

[jroc]

Aahh...I try to stay outta the Amoled vs. LCD debates....but I cant help it...lol

To go along with what SirKonan is saying, here is a clip:

YouTube - Samsung Vibrant (Galaxy S) vs. iPhone 4: Monsters, Inc. clips

Check out jmcb74's comments...Thats a movie, and he notices differences in details between the screens. Amoled doesnt blow LCD away, it isnt a million times better than LCD.... Each screen has pros n cons. Its the cons u can live with that will determine if you like the screen better.

 

[rehpyc]

This thread is insane, especially if someone is saying the Droid X has a sharper display then the Fascinate? What the Hell are u smoking who ever said that? The display on the Fascinate, along with the Galaxy S line Burns anything available on the market right now! The X screen looks like old technology next to the Fascinate, that's not opinion, that's fact!

This simply makes makes you not only sound ignorant, but dumb as well since you want to pass opinion as fact when it's actually not factual.

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One thing people can't deny is that the X will have longevity over the SF. The D1 still received Froyo before you, and there's an extremely high probability that the X will be given continual support by Motorola. The dev community will be able to do only so much to help the SF once Samsung drops its support or takes months on end to provide an update (much like it's already clear with GPS let alone Froyo).

Some like getting phones every year or have the latest and greatest, but many choose to keep their phones until they become problematic.

(btw I currently don't own either)

 

[sean76]

Some of you x owners just don't get it, this is not a hostile, life or death debate! It was mearly a friendly thread of people putting down, including myself, what they like better about the Fascinate! As a person who has owned both amoled and LCD screens, I like Amoled better, as is what my Fascinate has, Super Amoled in Fact! I cant really speak for these new Super LCD screens, cause I have not really sat with one long enough to really compare with my own eyes. Honestly, in just about all my posts in here I will say....For me, or IMO! This debate can go on for days, not with just me, but with a ton of people! I'm not a fan boy, nor ignorant, I just happen to like what I like, and have the ability to switch to just about any phone I want, as I do when something new comes out! So I wouldn't say I'm partial to any one phone, company, or carrier.

My track record as a Forum member shows I'm a pretty respecful poster, I don't flame or harp on any one thing, especially when it comes to what I like, or another likes. And yes I stated that the 30 day worry free trial is worth it when trying to make a decision on what phone to go with, what works for any of you Droid x owners may not work for me, or other Fascinate owners, and vice versa as well. I also think a lot of Fascinate owners have moved on from this thread as will I, because like I said its turning into a heated debate, and really passed the point of friendly convo pages ago. We may as well move it into the Droid X forum to really have all the Droid x fans and owners way in, and just shut out what the Fascinate owners like about their phone....Also, as for the genius person that said the Fascinate did not receive Froyo yet, and the D1 did, hello the Fascinate has been out for what, 3 weeks? Keep Froyo 2.2, it wrecked my EVO, I'll stick with my solid eclair 2.1 and wait for a proven solid release, if it ever comes. I'll say one thing in closing, the X is in fact a great phone, and offers an extremely large amount of features, its just not my cup of tea! To some it's the best thing since sliced bread, so I say....To teach his own in that regard...

 

[bigben]

Well, I have owned a Droid X for about a 2 months. It is a terrific phone. As I've said in earlier posts, I've been looking for a reason to try out the Fascinate. I found it on line at a really great price and bought it.

The SCREEN is FANTASTIC!!! The overall system is very good. Now comes the other buts in addition to ones previously stated!!

But 1: The Bluetooth doesn't work well with my Ford Sync. Won't do text messaging, won't do Phonebook download, it is way less than the Droid X here. The Droid X works flawlessly.

But 2: The car mount is really junk compared to the Droid X.

I really still want to like this device because man the screen is CRAZY good and the system works well together.

I own both of these devices and will keep the Fascinate hoping 2.2 will fix the Ford Sync problem. If not, catch it on Ebay.

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Like I said, really want to like this phone. So I flashed the reference rom from XDA. It helps the GPS issue and it helps the Car Dock issues. Doesn't fix it just helps.

And oh yes, man the passion is running high on this thread. Folks it isn't life or death - you all need to check your meds. You must have missed a few doses.

 

[xceebeex]

Here are the facts, tiny tim:

Not made of recycled plastic. Better reception, better call quality. Noise cancellation. Bigger screen. Better resolution, more realistic colors, not over saturated. More memory, no bing. GPS not busted. Lower 4 buttons stay on more than 2 seconds. LOL. Since those are indeed the facts, this is what comes next: X > fAsCiNaTe.

Who cares if it is made of recycled plastic as long as it is DURABLE. If it doesn't break or crack or anything like that, I could care less what it is made of. Recycled materials are often better than you would think.

Again, you are not stating facts because they are not true in all cases. The only ones you can say are "facts" are the noise cancellation, bigger screen and "maybe" not oversaturated (which A LOT of people like anyway).

Better resolution is bogus and apparently you didn't read my whole post, or you don't know what "resolution" really means. I will give you the the X has MORE PIXELS but not better resolution. I have had no issues with my GPS (other than the occasional long time to lock, but once it locks it is between 1-2 meters accurate). And I am assuming that you mean the lower buttons BACKLIGHT doesn't stay on more than a few seconds, not the buttons in general. Which is a ridiculously easy fix and will most likely be fixed, along with the GPS, shortly.

I also hate all of the Bing hate, right now the only thing Bing is used for on mine is Voice Searching and my phone is not rooted. I have Google Maps and Navigation and never use Bing for anything. People are blowing it WAY out of proportion.

Anyway, it is quite clear that you will never admit faults with the X, which it clearly has, so you will probably only pick through my post and try and restate your "facts."

 

[FragDroidX]

This thread is insane, especially if someone is saying the Droid X has a sharper display then the Fascinate? What the Hell are u smoking who ever said that? The display on the Fascinate, along with the Galaxy S line Burns anything available on the market right now! The X screen looks like old technology next to the Fascinate, that's not opinion, that's fact! Now is the X a bad phone? Absolutely not, its a very capable phone, and has the backing of a great company in Motorola. However I just don't see it being better then the Fascinate. I have the Evo, which is pretty much the same size as the x, and I gotta say the form factor on the Fascinate just puts it ahead of any other large phone available right now. We can all argue until were blue in the face, but in the end it comes down to what you like, and what's going to best fit your needs! For me, the Fascinate is an insane device, and does all I need in a phone, which is why I give it the title of being the best Android phone on vzw right now, any negatives are way outweighed by so many positives!

Sorry but in regards to the screen, put simply, you are dead wrong. Perhaps you should do a little research on the screens in these types of devices before you make such claims. The AMOLED and Super AMOLED screens pumped out by samsung use pentil matrix tech in their screens. To put it plainly what that means is that for every pixel there are two sub pixels. On the IPS Lcd's used by Motorola and Apple there are 3 sub pixels per pixel making them much sharper than the AMOLED screens. There are many other reasons why the IPS LCD screens are better but I will leave that for another post.

 

[sean76]

Sorry but in regards to the screen, put simply, you are dead wrong. Perhaps you should do a little research on the screens in these types of devices before you make such claims. The AMOLED and Super AMOLED screens pumped out by samsung use pentil matrix tech in their screens. To put it plainly what that means is that for every pixel there are two sub pixels. On the IPS Lcd's used by Motorola and Apple there are 3 sub pixels per pixel making them much sharper than the AMOLED screens. There are many other reasons why the IPS LCD screens are better but I will leave that for another post.

Another new Jack with a lot to say....LOL, what don't u get? IN MY OPINION, THE SCREEN ON THE FASCINATE IS BETTER! I have had the original x with LCD side by side plenty of times, along with my EVO, My amoled incredible, and my brothers super LCD incredible...I like my fascinate the best, no microscopes, I have 20/20 vision my man, and with my own 2 eyes, along with my brother we like the Fascinates screen....most of you are becoming hostile, and taking this to far. A matter of time before a MOD comes in and shuts this all down.

 

[TheXFactor]

OK your name says it all! U obviously belong in the Droid X forums, not in the Fascinate Forums. This a thread about someone on the fence of what phone to choose...I say Fascinate!

I never once said, in any of my posts here, you must get the X. I merely stated what I believe to be the advantages of the X over the FaScInAte.

 

[FragDroidX]

Another new Jack with a lot to say....LOL, what don't u get? IN MY OPINION, THE SCREEN ON THE FASCINATE IS BETTER! I have had the original x with LCD side by side plenty of times, along with my EVO, My amoled incredible, and my brothers super LCD incredible...I like my fascinate the best, no microscopes, I have 20/20 vision my man, and with my own 2 eyes, along with my brother we like the Fascinates screen....most of you are becoming hostile, and taking this to far. A matter of time before a MOD comes in and shuts this all down.

No need to get hostile. If you like the Super AMOLED screen better thats great. No problem there. However, you stated as fact that the Super AMOLED is sharper than the IPS LCD when it clearly is not and there are plenty of resources that will show that its not. If you say you have 20/20 vision my man than perhaps an eye exam is in order because you are obviously far sighted.

This thread is about the Fascinate and the Droid X. If you can't handle people giving their opinions in favor of the X over the Fascinate than maybe you should stay away from this thread. You seem to be taking it personally which is just sad. These are phones/pda's, not children that need to be defended by mommy/daddy.

 

[D13]

I will be joining the Fascinate army soon, unless the X's bootloader is unlocked in the next 2 weeks

 

[jroc]

I would put my money on u getting the Fascinate before the X bootloader gets unlocked...lol

 

[rehpyc]

I guess since you're still at lost for what we're laughing at you over, it'll be quoted again.

This thread is insane, especially if someone is saying the Droid X has a sharper display then the Fascinate? What the Hell are u smoking who ever said that? The display on the Fascinate, along with the Galaxy S line Burns anything available on the market right now! The X screen looks like old technology next to the Fascinate, that's not opinion, that's fact!

The technology and reviews available each show the X displays sharper text. So, no, the thread is not insane as it had a fact presented and not a silly opinion as support.

The X provides closer-to-natural colors whilst the Fascinate oversaturates the colors. Again, this is a fact and not just opinion. Ask anybody in graphic design. HOWEVER, some love how the colors pop, and that's where it comes down to opinion of which is better. I for one do like the Fascinate's display better.

(don't own either, so again I'm impartial)

And, isn't this thread to debate which is the better phone in different areas to allow the readers to decide which are most important for them? As long as people provide facts as facts and not opinions AS FACTS, they don't get people jumping down their throats to correct them.

 

[sean76]

I guess since you're still at lost for what we're laughing at you over, it'll be quoted again.



The technology and reviews available each show the X displays sharper text. So, no, the thread is not insane as it had a fact presented and not a silly opinion as support.

The X provides closer-to-natural colors whilst the Fascinate oversaturates the colors. Again, this is a fact and not just opinion. Ask anybody in graphic design. HOWEVER, some love how the colors pop, and that's where it comes down to opinion of which is better. I for one do like the Fascinate's display better.

(don't own either, so again I'm impartial)

And, isn't this thread to debate which is the better phone in different areas to allow the readers to decide which are most important for them? As long as people provide facts as facts and not opinions AS FACTS, they don't get people jumping down their throats to correct them.

Nope I'm not lost, I pretty much do agree with you, its all about preference when it comes down to any phone. My cousin is an Architect and loves his HTC EVO, which I own as well and has better whites then my Fascinate. I happen to like the colors on the Fascinate, but I also think Super LCD may be the perfect blend of how a screen should look as far as color goes...again I have not had enough time to really check it out and compare. Either way to teach his own.

 

[rehpyc]

Funny sidenote for today. I had to visit a Verizon store today to adjust something on my account in person. After the representative noticed I'm eligible for an upgrade, she began to insist on showing me the Fascinate. I chuckled to myself that she was pressing for me to upgrade to the Fascinate without first asking any of my preferences in a phone, so I took a jab at her and mentioned I didn't want a phone with a broken GPS. She looked puzzled and replied with "We are not aware of any GPS issue with this phone". I grabbed the phone, did a voice search, and had Bing maps give directions. She felt the phone had a rare malfunction with reporting the store's location wrong (it was probably 1/2 a mile from where we actually were), so she had me do it again. Upon showing her again, the GPS decided to choose a new, and still wrong, location for us. The couple behind us seemed to go off playing with the HTC Incredible after overhearing us. Ignorant representatives, or just one's trying to slide passed known issues in order to sell a particular phone, are always fun to toy with.

 

[DaSchmarotzer]

I'd be happy with any of these phones.

@rehpyc: I hate it when representatives don't know their products. Or lie.

 

[bigben]

Most of the sales reps are just that sales rep. For the most part, each has very little technical understand or even informed user understanding. Most mean well and you always have the 30 day period.

I feel sorry for them most of the time. The are in a battle of wits with bad information to work with (the Verizon party line).

Anyway, they are just trying to make a living. Buyer be informed.

 

[SirKronan]

No need to get hostile. If you like the Super AMOLED screen better thats great. No problem there. However, you stated as fact that the Super AMOLED is sharper than the IPS LCD when it clearly is not and there are plenty of resources that will show that its not. If you say you have 20/20 vision my man than perhaps an eye exam is in order because you are obviously far sighted.

This thread is about the Fascinate and the Droid X. If you can't handle people giving their opinions in favor of the X over the Fascinate than maybe you should stay away from this thread. You seem to be taking it personally which is just sad. These are phones/pda's, not children that need to be defended by mommy/daddy.

I guess since you're still at lost for what we're laughing at you over, it'll be quoted again.

The technology and reviews available each show the X displays sharper text. So, no, the thread is not insane as it had a fact presented and not a silly opinion as support.

The X provides closer-to-natural colors whilst the Fascinate oversaturates the colors. Again, this is a fact and not just opinion. Ask anybody in graphic design. HOWEVER, some love how the colors pop, and that's where it comes down to opinion of which is better. I for one do like the Fascinate's display better.

(don't own either, so again I'm impartial)

And, isn't this thread to debate which is the better phone in different areas to allow the readers to decide which are most important for them? As long as people provide facts as facts and not opinions AS FACTS, they don't get people jumping down their throats to correct them.

Allrighty now ... you guys are starting to beat the dead horse a bit. I already responded to this claim here:

http://androidforums.com/samsung-fascinate/174078-fascinate-vs-droid-x-4.html#post1689618

With factual and informational tidbits regarding the differences in technologies. After that post, I don't recall him claiming that the Super AMOLED is sharper again, so I don't think we need to argue this point anymore, or insult his vision ... I've already done that plenty! Let's moooooove on now!

Funny sidenote for today. I had to visit a Verizon store today to adjust something on my account in person. After the representative noticed I'm eligible for an upgrade, she began to insist on showing me the Fascinate. I chuckled to myself that she was pressing for me to upgrade to the Fascinate without first asking any of my preferences in a phone, so I took a jab at her and mentioned I didn't want a phone with a broken GPS. She looked puzzled and replied with "We are not aware of any GPS issue with this phone". I grabbed the phone, did a voice search, and had Bing maps give directions. She felt the phone had a rare malfunction with reporting the store's location wrong (it was probably 1/2 a mile from where we actually were), so she had me do it again. Upon showing her again, the GPS decided to choose a new, and still wrong, location for us. The couple behind us seemed to go off playing with the HTC Incredible after overhearing us. Ignorant representatives, or just one's trying to slide passed known issues in order to sell a particular phone, are always fun to toy with.

See, now my Fascinate, as well as my sister's are both working fine. Never use them in buildings. I don't need no stinkin' GPS to get to me fridge!!! But outdoors and in vehicles it seems to report our location just fine. We both ditched Bing maps and VZ Navigator for Google Maps/Nav. I have all the services enabled when I use the nav, but I know some are having better luck with everything disabled but the main setting. Have you tried any of the fixes out yet?

 

[makemehavefun]

I see it this way... I've read specs and know what's on paper concerning this vs. that. Nobody needed to tell me the DX had a higher resolution then the SF; I could see it immediately. The text is sharper on the DX. However, I was in the store and wanted to do a side by side comparison of different things with the rep's DX and he obliged. We both matched brightness as close as we could, disregarding actual "numbers" and just used our judgement.

We both navigated here as a sample page to check out and compare "text". I could see immediately that the DX did indeed had somewhat sharper text; I say "somewhat" because in all honesty it just didn't make that huge of an impression on me compared to the SF. Furthermore, who actually does a lot of surfing/browsing and doesn't zoom in on text? Regardless of an extra .3" of screen real estate, that just isn't good for your eyes to be working to focus on such small print minutes at a time.
So, this is pretty much a moot point for me as it concerns "crisper" text as I'm just going to double tap or pinch-zoom any and all text on any given website.

Next we took a look at a youtube vid I had recorded on the Vegas Strip and played it at the same time on both devices. I was borderline "blown away" by the SF's display compared to the DX's... what a difference. That right there, just to see the difference just dropped a ton of weight (for my preferences) on the SF's side of the scale.

I'm not going to get into this ">" or "<" and try to belittle the other device that I don't own. My own post history will show that I was on the fence between the DX and SF and I've said more than once here and on my own youtube vids that the DX is just as amazing as my SF and gave honest, objective, "fanboy"-less opinions. There are just a few things that tilted the scales towards the SF that I really cared about like the camcorder quality, form-factor+weight and yeah, I'll admit it, "aesthetics".

Best I could help anyone out with the OP's question is to find out what's important to you in a smart phone and actually handle 'em, look at 'em, and spend some time/effort into researching them. You gotta do your best to go with and end up with what you really want.

EDIT: btw, I don't have any reception, GPS or call quality issues. It's said that the DX has even better reception and better call quality for both ends and that may be true. I personally wouldn't know but that may be something for anyone to consider given their priorities.

 

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I did the same test on the X and SF side by side. Fortunately I own both. Trying to decide which to make my primary phone. After the test of YouTube videos, I gotta say - wow!! The SF's version is simply amazing.

Still some issues to work out like the Ford Sync thing. I found a work around and I lose texting in my car via Ford Sync but the Custom Car Dock fixes most of those issues.

Still trying to determine battery life when using GPS. That is a BIG deal for those traveling and using public transportation in major cities. If you've ever navigated without Google Nav walking direction and then used Google Nav - you'll simply not be able to do without it and an app called Tubes.