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Fascinate vs Droid X

P.S. HardForums and XtremeSystems seem to often have bad blood. Perhaps I should consider you an enemy here!
AH-HA! That explains the snickering at my 4Ghz i7 OC comment. :p
I'm cool with everyone. The [H] vs XS is not something I've ever gotten into. Im not that elitist. Though I've been [H] for years I always considered the extremists to reside over at XS.
Even amongst the cellphone/Android community there's a similar relationship. This place, Android Central and several other forums have good knowledge and smart people. However, the cream always rises to the top over at xda. They are the XS of this genre. Mind you Im registered over there too. But I mostly just lurk and learn like I would at XS for instance.
The good news is there is no bad blood or jealously. In fact many xda members are also here and/or at AC or wherever else.
The sharing of knowledge for the betterment of all is always a good thing
 
AH-HA! That explains the snickering at my 4Ghz i7 OC comment. :p
I'm cool with everyone. The [H] vs XS is not something I've ever gotten into. Im not that elitist. Though I've been [H] for years I always considered the extremists to reside over at XS.
Even amongst the cellphone/Android community there's a similar relationship. This place, Android Central and several other forums have good knowledge and smart people. However, the cream always rises to the top over at xda. They are the XS of this genre. Mind you Im registered over there too. But I mostly just lurk and learn like I would at XS for instance.
The good news is there is no bad blood or jealously. In fact many xda members are also here and/or at AC or wherever else.
The sharing of knowledge for the betterment of all is always a good thing

Nice folks on both forums as far as I'm concerned. A little more extreme crowd on XS forums, but good people still. Helpful.
 
Yeah, XS is pretty kind to newcomers these days. It's rare to find someone get bashed for wanting to venture into overclocking or liquid cooling. I've enjoyed how many of the core liquid cooling manufacturers take a rather active part in the forums with getting product and design ideas from the community.

I haven't visited [H] in a rather long, long time :o It was helpful when I first started out with overclocking many years ago, though.

Getting a little back on topic (sort of), these forums have been pretty helpful with having a little more relaxed discussion about different phones. XDA seems more along the lines of technical discussion. So each have their advantages dependent on what you're up for.
 
Getting a little back on topic (sort of), these forums have been pretty helpful with having a little more relaxed discussion about different phones. XDA seems more along the lines of technical discussion. So each have their advantages dependent on what you're up for.
Agreed; there is a social aspect you find here absent from xda. But then again most of us dont go to xda to be social; thats why we're here
 
When looking at phones last month the Droid X and Fascinate were the two finalists for potential phones. I'm not the most savvy when it comes to spouting specs for the phones (my first ever smart phone) but from the presentation standpoint I liked the Fascinate more. The ONLY thing I really wish it had that the DX has is the HDMI port, everything else is jus so slick.
 
When looking at phones last month the Droid X and Fascinate were the two finalists for potential phones. I'm not the most savvy when it comes to spouting specs for the phones (my first ever smart phone) but from the presentation standpoint I liked the Fascinate more. The ONLY thing I really wish it had that the DX has is the HDMI port, everything else is jus so slick.

Totally read you there. I want them to release an update that will give the Fascinate video out via the 3.5mm jack SO BADLY.
 
I'm throwing in my 2 cents here because I spent a week with the Fascinate and then a week with the Droid X. I went back to the Fascinate, for reasons I'll describe here. I'd better like it (!), as they're telling me at the Verizon store that I'm only allowed one exchange (I bought the first Fascinate at Best Buy).

I had an iPhone 3G on AT&T and was upgrade eligible, but I was getting sick of having a phone that did not work at the office. Simply put, AT&T's 3G coverage just does not penetrate very far into buildings. Go to the window, you get full signal, go to my desk, and it's "No Service." Most of my co-workers have Verizon Wireless and multiple people confirmed at least decent reception in the building, so I made the switch. I picked up the Fascinate at Best Buy, being attracted by the vibrant screen and fast processors (cpu/gpu).

The first thing I noticed about the Fascinate once I started to use it was the "perforated" appearance of solid colors on the Super AMOLED screen. Yes, the colors are amazing, and blacks are truly black because there's physically no light being emitted from the pixel, but the "Pentile" matrix layout of the AMOLED screens (look this up on Wikipedia) does lead to what appears to be an array of small holes in the image. This is especially apparent when you have a large patch of one color, e.g. when reading webpages which are mostly white. Compare this with backlit LCD screens (i.e. Droid X, iPhone) and it means that text looks a bit more jagged on the AMOLED screens. My brother-in-law's HTC Incredible (also with AMOLED, but not Super AMOLED) has this same problem. The AMOLED screen also means that while surfing the web, the AMOLED screens are going to eat more battery power than the LCD screens (due to most of the pixels firing on at full blast because of the white background), while when using specialized apps that force a black background, the AMOLED screens will use much less power. There are battery life benchmarks on the web confirming this. Someone needs to write a web browser for the Android AMOLED phones that forces a black background! Using Kindle for Android with a black background and white text should result in much better battery life than, for example, Droid X or iPhone.

The GPS worked fine at first and then started refusing to lock on to satellites, like all Galaxy S phones are known to do. But the main thing I was curious about was reception, especially at my desk. At my desk at work, when I placed the phone down, I had between 0 and 1 bars of signal, which corresponded to a signal strength of -96 to -101 dBm. This pulled down data (using the Ookla Speedtest.net app) at around 100 kbps or less, not very good but certainly better than "No Service" on AT&T. Occasionally the phone would revert back to 1x and get roughly the same data rate. If I held the phone up in the air with my hand I would get two bars, -90 dBm, and data rates would increase to 500-800 kpbs. Not bad. But I had heard about the Droid X's incredible reception ability, and since I ditched my iPhone (which I did love, by the way) for reception, I'll be damned if I don't get the phone with the best reception!

After quite an ordeal to switch out the Fascinate for a Droid X (Best Buy was out of Droid X's, and VZW across the street had tons of them, BB tried to bully me into waiting for another shipment to arrive becuase they didn't want to lose the sale-don't buy phones at Best Buy!) I had the DX in my hand and could put it through its paces. Immediately I noticed an update to 2.2 (Froyo) was available and I applied it. Half an hour later, the DX was still stuck at the Motorola boot logo and refused to boot. Mind you, I didn't root the phone or anything, this was the official Verizon update! I pulled the battery and the phone finally booted up, and I had Froyo. However, after shutting the phone down again, trying to turn it on quickly again, the phone refused to boot up again. After several hours of experimentation I had determined that the Droid X, on Froyo, won't boot up if it is too hot. This is a serious hardware issue. That night my wife complained about the clicking sound of the physical buttons which of course wasn't a problem with the capacitive buttons on the Fascinate. I mean, with Android, you have to use those buttons often enough that the force you need for the keypresses and the noise detracts somewhat from the whole experience. Also, even with Froyo, I wasn't too impressed with the overall speed or responsiveness of the phone. But onto the most important test-reception at my desk at work.

I was initiallly impressed-the Droid X was showing 4-5 bars of 3G signal (nearly full signal) at my desk! However, when looking at the actual signal strength in dBm (in "Settings") I noticed that the Droid X was pulling down the exact same value-about -101 dBm-and, using Speedtest.net, was pulling down the exact same data rates-100 kbps or worse! Lifting the phone in the air produced the exact same improvement in data rate. So I was forced to conclude that the Droid X really doesn't have any better reception than the Fascinate (inside my company's building is a pretty brutal test of reception!) and that the "bar" indicator is basically lying about signal strength! I also noticed that, in stronger signal areas, the Droid X will display about -68 dBm while the Fascinate will display -86 dBm. I never saw the signal strength go any higher than these numbers on the respective phones (these are the numbers they display for full signal), yet the performance of both phones downloading data on Speedtest.net was similar. We are thus forced to conclude that 1) bars don't mean anything (and we already know this!) and 2) even signal strength in dBm is not the final word on what kind of bandwidth you're going to get.

So, for my final decision, it came down to this:

Droid X:
huge phone with awkward noisy physical buttons
better text readability on screen, but muted colors compared to fascinate
better battery life when browsing the web
no real improvement in reception
no real advantage in speed over fascinate
won't boot up if it's too hot (many others have had this issue-check the forums!)
VZW store tech said many more returns for glitchy hardware with Droid X than fascinate

Fascinate:
Beautiful but "perforated" screen
Faster UI, faster response overall, even considering 2.1 "TouchWiz" on Fasc. vs. 2.2 "Motoblur" on DX
Acceptable reception, seems to be no worse than DX
Turns on faster and more reliably
Much more lightweight and "pocket comfortable"
GPS issue

I decided to return the Droid X and go with the Fascinate for my "final answer." Samsung sells a larger battery for the Fascinate/Galaxy S for those of you concerned about battery life. I resolved the GPS issue by downloading the "GPS Status" app-so far this seems to return my GPS to working order. And my eyes are getting used to the perforated screen. So far, a great phone, and although it's not as polished as my old iPhone, you sure can do a hell of a lot more on it!
 
I'm throwing in my 2 cents here because I spent a week with the Fascinate and then a week with the Droid X.

Excellent writeup, thanks! I was torn between these two phones as well and settled on the Fascinate, but ever since I've had that voice in the back of my mind (the Fascinate bashers haven't helped) that made me wonder if I made the right choice. It's nice to see someone who has tried both and has real reasons (other than "it's got 3 fewer MP's on the camera!") for their choice.

Don't get me wrong, I think that both are great phones and I'd own either and probably be happy, but I think the Fascinate will be more my style (it's my first ever Smartphone).

While I too have the GPS Status & Toolbox app installed it's not a great solution for the GPS bug. It still takes several minutes to get a lock, but I'm hoping that Froyo will fix this.

And agreed with you, the iPhone is one slick package, overall a better presentation than Android at the moment, but at the rate Android is improving this (IMHO) won't be the case for very long.
 
Thanks, Jason. Excellent synopsis. You hit several of my points on the head. I was always surprised by how many people tried to argue that text was "sharper" on the Fascinate than on the DX.

I ultimately went with the Samsung Fascinate, however. I never had issues with the DX though.

I have some bad news, however. My sister's Fascinate won't make calls anymore. She will reset it, turn it back on, and it will work for a few minutes - calls and texts. Then the 3G icon disappears and it won't do any calling or texting of any kind. She has to reset it again. This just happened today.

It's been running great for a couple of weeks. I rooted it for her, installed Launcher Pro plus and autokiller. She loved it ... until today!! She tried uninstalling all the apps she could, but it didn't do any good. I tried calling her and her husband to see if they'd made any progress on it. They were going to do a factory reset after backing all her stuff up.

Any thoughts? I know technically this is the wrong thread ...
 
I ran a speedtest on the Incredible, X, and Fascinate. Fascinate blew everyone out by a large margin. Sealed the deal for me.
 
I ran a speedtest on the Incredible, X, and Fascinate. Fascinate blew everyone out by a large margin. Sealed the deal for me.

Odd, I ran Linpack on my Fascinate and my wife's cousin ran it on his Evo 4G and he blew me out of the water by a factor of 4. He said he thought the Fascinate would win and wondered if it was that they hadn't optimized Linpack for it?
 
Odd, I ran Linpack on my Fascinate and my wife's cousin ran it on his Evo 4G and he blew me out of the water by a factor of 4. He said he thought the Fascinate would win and wondered if it was that they hadn't optimized Linpack for it?
Yeah thats a Froyo thing. The Dinc [Snapdragon like EVO] went from 6-7mflops to 30+ on Froyo. Now I believe the hummingbird will not sky rocket quite as much on that benchmark I think the stock hummingbird on Froyo goes from 8 to like 14 mflops. Still, Linpack like Quadrant or anything is just one test. There's literally dozens of benchmarking apps out there
 
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