jerzeywill
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I had all iPhones that came out so far. Love my Evo and Sprint. Love the freedom of Android. Never going back to iPhone. iPad is good enough until Android or Windows 7 tablet comes out.
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Former iPhone users.. are you pleased?
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Not sure where you pulled this little fact from but you might want to check it again, Google does NOT have more $ then Apple, nor is their company worth as much or as highly rated on the market.
And lets see, a 30+ year company who has spent almost all of it on trying to make user friendly products vs a Search engine company who bought Android and brought it to market less then two years ago is less refined.
Shocking stuff.
I have used the iPhone since the 3G and up to 3GS. I was a pro at jailbreaking and still am now since I own the iPad. I knew how to mod the iPhone after jailbreaking and etc, so I was pretty knowledgeable about it. Why did I decide to switch? Mainly because since I got the iPad on release, I would only text and call on my iPhone. On the ATT Family plan, I would pay $80 for my part. I'm thinking that's pretty ridiculous if I'm only using the phone for basic things. I did everything else on my iPad due to the screen size and working room (especially for a program like Lexi-Comp I use for clinical rotations).
For myself, the biggest thing I would like about the iPhone 4 is the screen. But it's a washout to me since they kept the screen the same size. Since I got my Evo, I absolutely love it. Here are some of my reasons for switching:
- bigger screen
- the Android system and the ability to tailor fit it for me (I'm using Fresh Evo) = biggest reason
- voice to text
- Swype
- Fring with Skype (works great and works the best on a bigger screen like the Evo)
- Wifi tether (for my iPad or whatever else)
- Now paying $50 a month on a Sprint Family plan (unlike $80 on ATT) = saving $360 a year
- Sprint network is better here than ATT (Columbia, SC)
I don't really play games, listen to music, or watch movies much on my cell. I did on my iPhone, but very sparingly. I'm not anywhere long enough to be playing games or watching a movie on my phone.
I guess I'm lucky? Because I don't have any problems with my Evo (no screen problems, no lag, no bad battery life). The battery will be better in the iPhone 4, but partly due to the iOS being more closed than the Android (less control for the user). We still won't know for sure until it comes out. I know it's usually the people with problems that post their issues online, but it can give people who haven't bought one yet the wrong perception (b/c it's a small population with legit problems to me). In essence, Evo + iPad = victory.
Edit: Any troll that stumbles on to my post. Please get a life because you're a loser.
For myself, the biggest thing I would like about the iPhone 4 is the screen. But it's a washout to me since they kept the screen the same size. Since I got my Evo, I absolutely love it. Here are some of my reasons for switching:
- bigger screen
- the Android system and the ability to tailor fit it for me (I'm using Fresh Evo) = biggest reason
- voice to text
- Swype
- Fring with Skype (works great and works the best on a bigger screen like the Evo)
- Wifi tether (for my iPad or whatever else)
- Now paying $50 a month on a Sprint Family plan (unlike $80 on ATT) = saving $360 a year
- Sprint network is better here than ATT (Columbia, SC)
I don't really play games, listen to music, or watch movies much on my cell. I did on my iPhone, but very sparingly. I'm not anywhere long enough to be playing games or watching a movie on my phone.
I guess I'm lucky? Because I don't have any problems with my Evo (no screen problems, no lag, no bad battery life). The battery will be better in the iPhone 4, but partly due to the iOS being more closed than the Android (less control for the user). We still won't know for sure until it comes out. I know it's usually the people with problems that post their issues online, but it can give people who haven't bought one yet the wrong perception (b/c it's a small population with legit problems to me). In essence, Evo + iPad = victory.
Edit: Any troll that stumbles on to my post. Please get a life because you're a loser.
finndo77
Android Expert
never owned an iAnything, but I need to say here that the reason the iPhone has the pluses vs. Evo that it does have is because Apple has take user complaints and their own ideas and made a new VERSION of the SAME phone. they are the only company I know that continues to improve a "current" product, while everyone else is out to design a NEW device every 2-9 weeks. If HTC would continue making the "same" devices and improving them the Evo 3 or 4 would be rock solid.
I know there were phones like the HTC Touch (my last phone) Touch Pro, and Touch Pro 2, but if you look at them, the only thing they had in common was the name (and I think the Pro and Pro 2 had the same OS version when the Pro 2 launched), they are not the same phone "fixed" they are each separate models that follow the same "idea" so they got progressive names...
HTC should announce an HTC Evo 4G 2nd gen phone for Q3 2011 with a dual core 2GHz CPU, GPU chip on Die, 4.3" or 4.5" PixelQi screen, 2200mAh LiPo, 1080p normally compressed video, full HDMI out support (plug the cable in and see your phones display on screen, not just videos and slideshows), noise cancelling mic's dual speaker speakerphone (stereo w/ virtual surround?), fixed hardware and software issues (ie iPhone 4 announced 1700 updates to the OS), kickstand attached to the backplate, so if you don't like it, you can remove it, 16GB internal storage with a removeable storage device (the new technology that is replacing SDHC), and I think it would be an iPhone killer at that point.
I know there were phones like the HTC Touch (my last phone) Touch Pro, and Touch Pro 2, but if you look at them, the only thing they had in common was the name (and I think the Pro and Pro 2 had the same OS version when the Pro 2 launched), they are not the same phone "fixed" they are each separate models that follow the same "idea" so they got progressive names...
HTC should announce an HTC Evo 4G 2nd gen phone for Q3 2011 with a dual core 2GHz CPU, GPU chip on Die, 4.3" or 4.5" PixelQi screen, 2200mAh LiPo, 1080p normally compressed video, full HDMI out support (plug the cable in and see your phones display on screen, not just videos and slideshows), noise cancelling mic's dual speaker speakerphone (stereo w/ virtual surround?), fixed hardware and software issues (ie iPhone 4 announced 1700 updates to the OS), kickstand attached to the backplate, so if you don't like it, you can remove it, 16GB internal storage with a removeable storage device (the new technology that is replacing SDHC), and I think it would be an iPhone killer at that point.
I've never owned an iPhone, but I have the iPod touch and the EVO.
By comparison, the EVO's screen is the most impressive. When I went back to my iPod, I was like, what the heck, this screen is too small.
What I do miss most though is the iPhone OS. IMO, iOS4 is pretty much untouchable when it comes to refinement and polish. Its nearly across the board from copy/paste, transitions, scrolling, text input, SMS, MMS, and a much better looking UI.
I also noticed that the iPhone uses its space better compared to the EVO. I loaded up the Digg app on both devices and I saw the same amount of text height wise on both devices. Also the EVO only fits 4 icon apps across, it has a big screen, why not fit 5 or 6 across?
Q3 2011? Dude thats so far away. By that time we'll have Droid X2, Samsung Galaxy S 2, iPhone5, Incredible 2, etc.
We've been looking for an iPhone killer since 2007, it hasn't happened yet. What will kill the iPhone is a refined Android OS. People keep thinking hardware or a single phone will kill the iPhone, its actually the OS and its many Android handsets that will kill the iPhone.
By comparison, the EVO's screen is the most impressive. When I went back to my iPod, I was like, what the heck, this screen is too small.
What I do miss most though is the iPhone OS. IMO, iOS4 is pretty much untouchable when it comes to refinement and polish. Its nearly across the board from copy/paste, transitions, scrolling, text input, SMS, MMS, and a much better looking UI.
I also noticed that the iPhone uses its space better compared to the EVO. I loaded up the Digg app on both devices and I saw the same amount of text height wise on both devices. Also the EVO only fits 4 icon apps across, it has a big screen, why not fit 5 or 6 across?
Q3 2011? Dude thats so far away. By that time we'll have Droid X2, Samsung Galaxy S 2, iPhone5, Incredible 2, etc.
We've been looking for an iPhone killer since 2007, it hasn't happened yet. What will kill the iPhone is a refined Android OS. People keep thinking hardware or a single phone will kill the iPhone, its actually the OS and its many Android handsets that will kill the iPhone.
2001 did not become the Year of the Linux Desktop.
The PC did not kill the Mac.
OS X did not kill Windows.
Redhat, SuSE, Mandrake, Lindows, Debian, Gentoo, and now Ubuntu have killed neither OS X nor Windows.
Hurd did not kill Linux. (Yeah, yeah, I know - neither did Duke Nukem Forever.)
Now - this may look somewhat interesting: The Truth About Apple's iPhone Market Share | Analysis | The Mac Observer
And this: iPhone vs Others: The Mobile OS Market
And I don't even want to start into how much of the _world_ market that Nokia has - and they make some very, very good phones, do they not?
I'm just writing because 1) I really do not see the point of the whole "iPhone killer" meme and 2) I totally disagree with it.
Want to know what's going to kill the iPhone?
Apple will kill the iPhone, whether they intend to or not, the day they stop serving the market they've identified and have served so well to date.
As for your idea that Android will kill the iPhone, I'm intrigued by your ability to make predictions in the tech sector and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
I'll even read it on my Evo.
For my money - people tried, hard, to get me into crackberries and for the life of me I never saw the point whatsoever.
If the smartphone market segment is forced to have either an iPhone or an Android in first place and the other in second, then they're going to be very well served, indeed.
In my opinion.
BUT - the iPhone is not the gorilla in the room, not by a long shot. In the US, it's RIM, worldwide, it's Nokia.
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For god's sake, WHY? Just buy something else if it's not for you. I have, all along, and have suffered no envy whatsoever. Now I have an Evo, and some people envy it, but that's not why I got it.
I got into Android because it was right - for me.
I don't think Apple owes me anything for making the iPhone wrong for me and I don't see the point of killing it or wanting it dead.
Pretty easy to want the iPhone killer when people are in denial of the simple fact that were it not for the iPhone there probably would have been no Android.
Android won't kill the iPhone.
Android is saving the dream that was OpenMoko.
1. A smartphone is part hardware, part software, part network. You left out the software part.
2. Google has no excuse for not being flat out better than the iPhone OS. They have more money and more resources.
OK - stop there.
Money doesn't solve everything and nine women cannot have a baby in one month.
Apple is a hardware company with decades of experience in defining, developing and refining operating systems specifically designed to work with a limited set of hardware platforms to serve a specifically targeted market.
Google is new to many of those disciplines. They either have to steal the talent for that, hire it away, or grow their own.
3. "I shouldn't have to root and tweak the h3ll out of my phone just to make it work right."
I don't know whether to agree with you or to point out the number of people that jailbreak their iPhones.
I'm going to go with: Agree with you. But for many that means the iPhone loses out of the gate, too.
4. For example, the iPhone shows more songs on a play list on its smaller display than the EVO on its bigger display.
OK - number of years producing the QuickTime engine - 19.
Number of years producing the iTunes XML browser for QuickTime - 9.
Number of years producing multi-platform support for iTunes - 7.
Number of years by Google producing a comprehensive codec engine... crickets chirping.
Number of years by Google producing a comprehensive brower for that engine... crickets again.
Same last two questions for HTC: more crickets.
Number of years headstart iPhone had before Android - about 2. (iPhone release Jan 2007. Android, Inc. was acquired by Google in 2005, but the Android we know and love - the open source project - began in late 2008. The first releases didn't happen until 2009.)
5. The iPhone follows one evolutionary path - the OS, primary apps and hardware all come from Apple.
The Evo is following three evolutionary paths - the OS, the primary apps and the hardware all come from separate sources.
In my opinion - at this point, it's a wonder that an Evo isn't a Frankenstein's monster all stitched together and that an iPhone isn't an inbred idiot.
They're strong competitors. Unless something's gone horribly wrong in how the world works, we consumers should be the winners as the competition to please us and capture our dollars continues to unfold.
So far, for me, it's just this simple:
Evo - big screen.
iPhone - small screen.
Evo wins.
Evo - Sprint.
iPhone - AT&T.
Evo wins.
Everything else, I live with.
PS - Google Buys Android, Inc. - founders came from Danger, Inc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_(company)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Rubin
Products do not happen. Good products come from specific people, not generic people.
I disagree. The OP made some valid points based on his/her personal experience, and the responses to those have (almost) all been intelligent and constructive.
As to posting the same text in a different thread... well, it's exactly that - a different thread but on a similar topic started by another member. That's no reason by itself to throw the t-word around.
Bars in the CDMA world mean little compared to your ability to make a call. What you will find is even with 1 bar your calls will be crisp, clean AND WILL NOT DROP...In the CDMA world we say BARS MEAN NOTHING UNLESS YOU WANT A LONG ISLAND....
AT&T is in to bars...and we know what happens with that...
I tend to agree with this. I've had Sprint and Verizon and I don't pay attention to bars. Their phones seem to work well regardless of the number of bars that show up on the phone at any given time. After over 10 years of using Sprint and Verizon I found I don't even pay attention to bars anymore. That's just been my experience.
I had a 3g, and I like my EVO much more, for many of the reasons listed above. I rarely use my ipod, because I can't stand using itunes. That said, competition between the two is good, it means better phones for less money
I have had an iphone, several WM, and now Android. So far the EVO is the best, but give a few months and I will want something else
I have had an iphone, several WM, and now Android. So far the EVO is the best, but give a few months and I will want something else
Dreamliner
Android Enthusiast
A lot of people I know that are not blinded by their love of Steve Jobs admit they drop calls alot. Shoot, I have some friends that have iPhones, its hard to have a conversations with them without their phone dropping. I could not handle a poor network.
So then, Honda, Toyota & Hyundai should not be able to make better cars than GM right? they haven't been around long enough, so...
It's just not an excuse, I think Android will get significantly better now that Google hired the PalmOS design guy...but Apple hired the PalmOS notification guy...
I dunno, I grab a iPhone 3GS, it feel less 'potent' but what it does do, it does very well.
Thank you for your input on your previous iPhone experience, your response has greatly improved the quality of this thread; which, until I created it, did not exist for previous iPhone users to have input to compare to Android with.
I love the EVO's screen, I love the iPhone OS's 'polish' and I completely agree with your frustration of the poor lack of resolution/screen real estate utilization on the EVO.
That would be intelligent...that's not HTC.
OMG, I just...well, i shouldn't get up for awhile.
Thanks.I disagree. The OP made some valid points based on his/her personal experience, and the responses to those have (almost) all been intelligent and constructive.
As to posting the same text in a different thread... well, it's exactly that - a different thread but on a similar topic started by another member. That's no reason by itself to throw the t-word around.
finndo77
Android Expert
I have had an iphone, several WM, and now Android. So far the EVO is the best, but give a few months and I will want something else
I keep my phones for 18 months or longer, so as such (and a majority of my friends are all apple fanbois) I have to deal with constant hits from every issue that appears with any phone I buy, especially when a site like Engadget or Gizmodo posts a write-up about it. (interesting Engadget is in the spell checker in Google Chrome, but Gizmodo is not...) So I tend to bring up issues like "iPhone Killer"
The point of my earlier post about an "iPhone killer" was that to create a device that can take the market share that Apple has and match it or exceed it, will take a manufacturer that is willing to continue to produce devices based off the same design as previous models (ie iPhone, 2G, 3G, 3GS, 4) if you take the time to improve what you have rather than start over everytime, you will get a better product.
I used an HTC Touch from launch (march 2008) until I got my Evo, and for the most part I did not need to replace it yet, I just wanted a larger, faster phone (and an app store!! that was easy to access with apps that don't cost $19.99+) I had a Palm 3.0 (later upgraded to Palm 3.1 or 3.3, I don't remember anymore) Sprint phone that I kept (and used) for close to 5 years, I don't want to have to buy a new phone as soon as my contract allows, because the one I have has design flaws that prevent me from enjoying it. If manufacturers would follow a life cycle on a product more like software companies do, then I think we would get better devices with or without heavy competition.
JunBringer
Android Expert
I came from having an iPhone 3GS since launch day to getting the EVO on launch day. I definitely prefer the EVO and Sprint for sure. Most people with battery problems on the EVO don't know how to use it correctly. Android gives you control of your whole experience, which lets you leave everything on and kill the battery if you choose to. That's why Android is for a different type of user than iOS. Apple is dumbed down and makes it a bit more difficult to kill the battery so that nobody will complain about horrible battery life. I think Android with Sense is very refined and the fact that it's completely customizable makes it far superior to iOS.
On the other hand we don't have as many good games on Android, no arguments there. I'm thinking this will change in the longrun as Android is getting to be very popular.
On the other hand we don't have as many good games on Android, no arguments there. I'm thinking this will change in the longrun as Android is getting to be very popular.
pwnst*r
Android Expert
He doesn't really sound like a fanboy. The iPhone OS is more refined. Whether you want to admit that truth or not, that's your call. When I first saw the youtube button overlay, I almost laughed out loud. It's pretty f*cking ugly.
That being said, I do prefer my Evo because of the freedom it allows me. I'm a 6 year Linux user as well (not exclusive) so that played a big part in my decision.
And making calls in the iPhone? Too bad the dropped call "issue" is an ATT thing, not an iPhone thing.
JunBringer
Android Expert
True, but it doesn't change the fact that we don't have a choice for iPhone right now.
pwnst*r
Android Expert
Where's the thumbs down button when you need one.
pwnst*r
Android Expert
Well... you do, just unlocked and with Tmo.
Nokia and RIM having the largest worldwide marketshare is true, but that isn't going to be the case forever. Nokia has already let investors know that their profits are not going to reach expectations.
Both Nokia and RIM have declining marketshare, it is incredibly foolish to think any company can survive without any innovation no matter how large your current marketshare.
I didn't mean to make it sound like Android is an iPhone killer, I don't think the iPhone is going to ever die. What I was referring to was that Android is poised to outpace the iPhone in marketshare.
Android is open source, is on all carriers, and has an army of Android devices to choose from. For these very reasons, Android is going to overtake the iPhone in marketshare. It is quite similiar in the days of PC vs Mac. Macs never died, but they certainly pale in comparison to PC marketshare.
JunBringer
Android Expert
well yeah
Scooterman1
Member
I picked up an HTC EVO. It's a great phone. Definitely more configuration ability than the iPhone until iOS 4 (which I'm still using on my iPhone 3GS).
My only complaints are two. One is so, so, and the other BIG.
So, so - Sprint 4G Network in Houston shows vast coverage in Houston and surrounding area. I get about 550-600 kb/sec download with 1 to 4 bars. Signal doesn't change this. I get almost 2000 kb/sec on 3G. The 4G in Houston STINKS. Either Sprint (Clearwire), or the HTC has a major problem with 4G on Sprint. I don't know why. 3G is a little better than AT&T.
BIG - No Desktop Application that is compatible with iTunes for loading and syncing Apps on 2, or more, Android phones. With iTunes, I could purchase online, or on 1 phone, and then copy 'n paste (or download online with phone) on my wife's phone.
I'm not sure that I can do this at all until I purchase another HTC and try setting up the initial account the same as my gMail account. And if I do this, will it automatically set up her gmail and sync all of my email from my account, which I don't want? I want the same Apps purchased, available to my, my wife's, and my daughters phone without having to purchase App 3 different times.
I don't see a lot of guidance on this in the Android Forums. I do see a lot of complaints about it. This is a BIG drawback to people switching over from iPhones. I sure hope the Android Market cures this. They've had plenty of time to come out with an App to allow this. Apple has iTunes, and it sure don't seem to be hurting their App Store profits by allowing downloading and installing Apps to more than one device.
Otherwise, I like the HTC, but I'm still a little reluctant to switch 3 iPhones to 3 HTC phones.
My only complaints are two. One is so, so, and the other BIG.
So, so - Sprint 4G Network in Houston shows vast coverage in Houston and surrounding area. I get about 550-600 kb/sec download with 1 to 4 bars. Signal doesn't change this. I get almost 2000 kb/sec on 3G. The 4G in Houston STINKS. Either Sprint (Clearwire), or the HTC has a major problem with 4G on Sprint. I don't know why. 3G is a little better than AT&T.
BIG - No Desktop Application that is compatible with iTunes for loading and syncing Apps on 2, or more, Android phones. With iTunes, I could purchase online, or on 1 phone, and then copy 'n paste (or download online with phone) on my wife's phone.
I'm not sure that I can do this at all until I purchase another HTC and try setting up the initial account the same as my gMail account. And if I do this, will it automatically set up her gmail and sync all of my email from my account, which I don't want? I want the same Apps purchased, available to my, my wife's, and my daughters phone without having to purchase App 3 different times.
I don't see a lot of guidance on this in the Android Forums. I do see a lot of complaints about it. This is a BIG drawback to people switching over from iPhones. I sure hope the Android Market cures this. They've had plenty of time to come out with an App to allow this. Apple has iTunes, and it sure don't seem to be hurting their App Store profits by allowing downloading and installing Apps to more than one device.
Otherwise, I like the HTC, but I'm still a little reluctant to switch 3 iPhones to 3 HTC phones.