jeffreynothing43
Android Enthusiast
well...if it doesn't work right - why? i like the idea, i'm not a troll...just saying...why? what benefit?
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mysticmead
Android Expert
there are some cool features.. like being able to set what action happens for swipe up or swipe down on the home screen... for mine I set it to swipe down opens the notification bar (no more making sure to touch the bar before pulling it down) and swipe up opens messaging.... being able to use push to phone from google chrome.. news and weather widget... not to mention its FAST.. sure it's a beta ROM..and it has it's MINOR quirks.. but those will get worked out.. I can tell ya one thing, this is working a LOT better than 2.1 did before it was released..and in some ways works better than 2.1 does now.
mysticmead
Android Expert
330D
From My Cold Dead Hands
Why you always jumpin' in saying bad negative stuff, dude? this thing runs AWESOME with froyo. It has a few little issues, that are a big deal to some, but they will be fixed. It is very fast, efficient, and nice looking, especially if you like vanilla. Don't go round saying it is a bad idea, until you try it and find out for yourself. It was easier to get this running than most any other rom I have tried as of late.
Not trying to bust balls, but try it before you form an opinion...
jeffreynothing43
Android Enthusiast
my 2 cents
it is smooth...and in all honesty i didn't play with it too much....but it wasn't smoother than Fresh 2.3 IMO. my biggest thing is going back to not having sense is very hard. i really enjoy the benefits of sense. i will consider this the only other ROM i have a bug to go back and try. this weekend...when i have nothing to do i will give it a 2 day trial. i HATE gallery....its a horrible app. is there a way around this?
overall KUDOS....but i need to give it a real try. we may be onto something here.
it is smooth...and in all honesty i didn't play with it too much....but it wasn't smoother than Fresh 2.3 IMO. my biggest thing is going back to not having sense is very hard. i really enjoy the benefits of sense. i will consider this the only other ROM i have a bug to go back and try. this weekend...when i have nothing to do i will give it a 2 day trial. i HATE gallery....its a horrible app. is there a way around this?
overall KUDOS....but i need to give it a real try. we may be onto something here.
jeffreynothing43
Android Enthusiast
Why you always jumpin' in saying bad negative stuff, dude? this thing runs AWESOME with froyo. It has a few little issues, that are a big deal to some, but they will be fixed. It is very fast, efficient, and nice looking, especially if you like vanilla. Don't go round saying it is a bad idea, until you try it and find out for yourself. It was easier to get this running than most any other rom I have tried as of late.
Not trying to bust balls, but try it before you form an opinion...
i will continue to be objective...sorry if that bothers you. the hardware on the Hero is no good. period. it's a good phone, but nothing near what is out there. if we get 2.2 working smooth that would be awesome- even better with sense. but it doesn't take away from the fact that Hero owners are left in the dust.
besides, don't get so bent....we will all have new devices by years end. lets have fun and talk all the good and the bad. if you were to ask a real Dev if Hero is MADE FOR 2.2...he'd say no. that's my point. we're all here to learn and get different opinions.
Sixxx
Android Enthusiast
I wont have a new device by years end. I'm completely happy with my Hero and I plan on keeping it for a long time. kthxbi.
jeffreynothing43
Android Enthusiast
good for you...looks like you joined us in june. 
330D
From My Cold Dead Hands
Maybe a "Real" dev will say no to froyo, but I think it was made for lesser powered hardware (indirectly). It seriously runs very well for me, as have most other roms. I think that the hero is outdated, but what next? buy another phone that will be outdated in 6 months or less? I am going to stick with the hero because it isn't junk, like you say. It may have a small processor, but it has always done everything I needed and more. Bigger means less battery which is a whole new can of worms.
And i'm not bent, I was just trying to say don't always be the bummer, you know?
Oh, and the devs seem to like the hero, so we are actually really lucky....
jeffreynothing43
Android Enthusiast
never said it was junk...in another post i said i loved my hero (regarding sending it back for warranty repair.) anyhow, i'm out of this now cause its off thread topic. its cool man...i will silently stalk this thread and wait for some more good news.
You opinion is an inaccurate hyperbole at best, if this thread is any indication. Froyo not only runs, but runs better than 2.1 according to multiple people here. That doesn't sound like a phone that can't run Froyo properly. The quirks here are relatively minor; ever new platform has bugs; why do you think it took so long to get the 'official' 2.1 on the Hero. Even after it was officially released, it had bugs.
Moot. And you just contradicted your last statement.
With that prerogative, I assume you are running stock doughnut?
....???? Is this the same person?
You're not being objective, you are being hyperbolic and wishy-washy. Nothing in your preceding statements were objective, just inaccurate. 'nowhere near what is out there'? riiight. My Hero does almost everything the Evo4G does. So what if it has a bigger screen that doesn't fit well in my jeans pocket, or absolutely redundant 4G data connection, or choppy, pixelated, or otherwise uninspiring 720p video. I haven't played much with the Evo but the Samsung Moment proves to me that a significantly faster processor doesn't necessarily equate to a paradigm jump in user experience, in fact, I find it more laggy. Not saying that's the case with the newer phones, but not the holy grail you portend, that is for sure. If I could buy a new phone today and the Evo4G was $100 cheaper, I still would not buy it, if only because 4G is a marketing joke w/ no real world value to me.
Some how, I don't feel left in the dust, and the Hero isn't even a year old yet... but enjoy the kool-aid.
mysticmead
Android Expert
alright...everybody relax a bit... remember.. these are just phones and not worth getting all worked up over. It appears that Jeffery started out saying it was a bad idea but then actually gave it a try.. and plans on giving it a 2 day run over the weekend.. can't ask for more than that.
Remember, that unless someone tries something new, everything would grind to a stop. what if no one had ever tested the theory of the world being flat? they were all told they'd fall off the edge and die... just like we've been told (by sprint and HTC) that Froyo wouldn't run on our phones.. they are partially correct... Flash in Froyo doesn't work.. but it's not Froyo's fault... that's an Adobe limitation. for now, it works fairly well and will get better..
Jeffery will see that it does work, and may or may not stick with it.. it's HIS choice.. is the ROM perfect.. no.. but it's not far off.. Jeffery is correct in the fact that the hardware in the Hero is outdated.. just like the Evo will have outdated hardware in 6 month.... so will the soon to be released Epic... it's just the nature of the industry.
Remember, that unless someone tries something new, everything would grind to a stop. what if no one had ever tested the theory of the world being flat? they were all told they'd fall off the edge and die... just like we've been told (by sprint and HTC) that Froyo wouldn't run on our phones.. they are partially correct... Flash in Froyo doesn't work.. but it's not Froyo's fault... that's an Adobe limitation. for now, it works fairly well and will get better..
Jeffery will see that it does work, and may or may not stick with it.. it's HIS choice.. is the ROM perfect.. no.. but it's not far off.. Jeffery is correct in the fact that the hardware in the Hero is outdated.. just like the Evo will have outdated hardware in 6 month.... so will the soon to be released Epic... it's just the nature of the industry.
mysticmead
Android Expert
Not worth getting worked up over? People argue about a werewolf and a vampire in a tween movie. Come on now
yeah yeah...and real vampires don't sparkle in the sunlight... everyone knows that Trueblood is MUCH better
NYCHitman1
Gun for Hire
Sookie! *bill voice* lmfao
a. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm peachy and am not the least bit worked up, just calling a spade a spade. Today is a wonderful day!
b. Flash isn't the be all end all and I say Sprint/HTC is zero correct, if this rom is in fact running on the Hero, and running better than 2.1 at that, which runs superbly. They are just lazy, capitalistic opportunists. Lots of tech out there that is supported for a great deal longer than [non-i] smart phones these days. The always pronounce that we need more, more, more, and it's just marketing drivel.
c. I don't care what Jeffery sticks with, to be honest and is moot in the context of my previous post.
d. 'Outdated' must be a subjective and relative marketing buzz term as the Hero doesn't feel the least bit outdated to me, as I type this message on a 7 year old HTPC that plays back 720p h.264 A/V smooth as butter, records HD 1080i, and performs a myriad of modern day tasks adequately; and sell my circa 2006 HTC SDA Music Phone which ironically has certain VERY useful features that Android 2.1 lacks; and purchase a refurbished Moto Razr V3 Quad Band GSM Phone.
AGREE! Love that show!
mysticmead
Android Expert
of course Sprint wants you to buy a new phone... it would be bad business to not push you towards new technology and say that your phone won't handle it.. now, keep in mind, there's no SenseUI on this or ANY Sprint bloat... add that in and it would probably crawl...
yes, outdated is very subjective... talk to my neighbor who thinks their P3 500 PC runs just fine (Win 95) because all they do is balance their check book and send emails.. then talk to a hardcore gamer... hardware gets outdated in 6 months or less to them.. when you start looking at the hardware of our phones, and comparing our processor to a 1ghz hummingbird or snapdragon then yes, it's outdated.. now that doesn't mean it's junk, or that it won't be a great phone for another couple year... it just isn't the current technology.. when I can upgrade in late Feb, the Evo and Epic will be outdated with new phones being released.. it's simply the nature of the industry
yes, outdated is very subjective... talk to my neighbor who thinks their P3 500 PC runs just fine (Win 95) because all they do is balance their check book and send emails.. then talk to a hardcore gamer... hardware gets outdated in 6 months or less to them.. when you start looking at the hardware of our phones, and comparing our processor to a 1ghz hummingbird or snapdragon then yes, it's outdated.. now that doesn't mean it's junk, or that it won't be a great phone for another couple year... it just isn't the current technology.. when I can upgrade in late Feb, the Evo and Epic will be outdated with new phones being released.. it's simply the nature of the industry
00h2itr
Well-Known Member
Turning this thread around...
Those who have loved Zen, how does this stack up? I know Zen is working on a new version, and this is not the final release... Of course I'm just a Nandroid away from finding out myself...
So other than utilizing the hardware more on the Hero... what benifits really are there? Not subjective benifits, real world ones?
<--- who also is keeping his "outdated" hardware for some time.
Those who have loved Zen, how does this stack up? I know Zen is working on a new version, and this is not the final release... Of course I'm just a Nandroid away from finding out myself...
So other than utilizing the hardware more on the Hero... what benifits really are there? Not subjective benifits, real world ones?
<--- who also is keeping his "outdated" hardware for some time.
Point was that 2.2 Froyo on Hero is entirely doable, if not downright advisable speaking purely from a hw standpoint. Sprint should support/update HW for more than 9 months, say... at least a year, if not the term of one's contract when they are supposed to upgrade. Apple/ATT isn't nearly as aggressive at pushing people to a new handset, and the 3G and 3GS (outdated tech) are STILL supported/updated.
Why exactly do you feel that way? Is the difference between sense and NON sense UIs/ROMs truly that startling on 2.1? As far as Sprint bloat, that's plausible, but that adds no value anyway, hence no argument for more processing oomph.
I won't belabor the outdated point any further. I agree on all points but my 1st reply was intended to reflect there is purpose in running Froyo on the Hero, and one doesn't need the 'latest and greatest this month' to appreciate and benefit from it. I'll be using this phone for at least another year, if not longer.
p.s. in fairness to my point, a 'P3 500 PC (Win 95)' can't handle many modern day tasks.
p.p.s. i can't believe I just complimented ATT/Apple... now I have acid reflux....uhhhh...
mysticmead
Android Expert
from my experience.. yes a ROM that has never had SenseUI on it is faster...at the very least less lag. Android OS is mainly a Java layer on top of Linux... add yet another layer on top of that and you have SenseUI... that extra layer does take more resources.. which in turn will make it slower.. albeit not much slower.. the sprint crap is what really bogs the phones down (and one of the reasons we rooted in the first place right?)
as far as the whole argument of Spring should support the phone for more than 9 months.. they will support it... for as long as you have the phone active on your contract...and even beyond... Of course by support I mean, they'll help you work through configuration issues and through hardware issues.. but no where in the contract you (and everyone else signed) did it state they would be required to update the OS at any point in time. the phone itself has a 1 year warranty from HTC for hardware issues. and 4 years from now, the Hero could probably still be used at it is today.. doesn't mean that Sprint will update the OS.. well... it's already been said that they won't do it.. yes there will come a time when Sprint stops selling the phone, just like AT&T stopped selling AND supporting the iPhone 4gb and 8gb and 16gb when the 3G came out... those phones were less than a year old and poof... no upgrades at all... don't even get me started on WinMo phones or my trusty old PalmOS phone (that OS died completely)
point is... would it be great is Sprint/HTC did make a Froyo ROM for the Hero?? of course it would.. is it going to happen? no... are they required to do it? no they're not. I'm sure at some point the Evo and Epic owners will be having this same conversation because their phones aren't on the upgraded OS list.. it's just the nature of the beast..
as far as the whole argument of Spring should support the phone for more than 9 months.. they will support it... for as long as you have the phone active on your contract...and even beyond... Of course by support I mean, they'll help you work through configuration issues and through hardware issues.. but no where in the contract you (and everyone else signed) did it state they would be required to update the OS at any point in time. the phone itself has a 1 year warranty from HTC for hardware issues. and 4 years from now, the Hero could probably still be used at it is today.. doesn't mean that Sprint will update the OS.. well... it's already been said that they won't do it.. yes there will come a time when Sprint stops selling the phone, just like AT&T stopped selling AND supporting the iPhone 4gb and 8gb and 16gb when the 3G came out... those phones were less than a year old and poof... no upgrades at all... don't even get me started on WinMo phones or my trusty old PalmOS phone (that OS died completely)
point is... would it be great is Sprint/HTC did make a Froyo ROM for the Hero?? of course it would.. is it going to happen? no... are they required to do it? no they're not. I'm sure at some point the Evo and Epic owners will be having this same conversation because their phones aren't on the upgraded OS list.. it's just the nature of the beast..
I know, but you said it would 'crawl' with Sense UI, implying the difference was drastic. But then you say 'not much slower' so you've reneged.
So then this ROM with SenseUI would run 'not much slower' than what it's running now and I would infer not any slower than 2.1, Fresh v2.3.3 for instance, runs now. I agree and that makes Froyo extremely viable on the Hero. Not bad for outdated software and going back to comments to other chap: proves that there is indeed a point.
Of course, I know this.
I said support and *update*. I never said they were legally obligated to do anything. I did infer they are both lazy and oppurtunistic for not providing additional value though, when compared both to certain other gadgets in general which have a longer life (my venerable Sansa Clip comes to mind but don't get me started on how Cisco abandoned that product rather abruptly after reneging on an update), and also in mobiles; namely, the iPhone. In Sprint's defense, this whole update thing is relatively new to them, they are used to just releasing phones, then immediately abandoning them, update wise. One positive benefit of Apple stepping into the smartphone realm, is added value to continued updates, which forces other companies' *attempts* to replicate, in order to remain competitive. What would be really nice is when Google ultimately expands into a telecom (Google Voice seems a nice step) and/or starts making their handsets totally in house, rather... a handset, and focusing on incremental improvements to one model while supporting updates along a broader timeline, but I digress.I don't disagree on this point, never did. Not my point mysticmead
Come again? iPhone came out 01/07 and 3G was 06/08. I would assume that Apple was at least selling until the new one came out; not that sales was my point. In terms of updates, the 3G is over 2 years old now yet still received the 4.0 upgrade. The original iPhone was last updated this YEAR, Feb 2010. That is OVER 3 years of updates. The Hero is not even a year old yet and Sprint will no longer update it. Like it or not, this is a wide disparity and shameful.
Sure it is, but consumers deserve (note: deserve is not a synonym for obligate or require) better and are getting better official update value from Apple. Hopefully the same will hold true for Google from Froyo or Gingerbread onward, or they can find a way to put their foot down, so folks at HTC and Sprint don't cheapen the deal.
330D
From My Cold Dead Hands
Turning this thread around...
Those who have loved Zen, how does this stack up? I know Zen is working on a new version, and this is not the final release... Of course I'm just a Nandroid away from finding out myself...
So other than utilizing the hardware more on the Hero... what benifits really are there? Not subjective benifits, real world ones?
<--- who also is keeping his "outdated" hardware for some time.
Definitely subjective, here....
I have way more (like 99mb) free space WITH all my apps installed for one thing. I haven't tried it yet, but a2sd is native to the rom. It is really fast, as it is overclocked to 710. One of the things I don't like is no sprint vvm. I am trying to figure out google voice to get a vvm app that is as good....
It really is a matter of personal preference, though. I have decided I like it better than zen because it has less little issues. (not that zen had many...)
mysticmead
Android Expert
what I did for google voice was go into the voicemail settings on the google.com/voice website. tell it to act as voicemail for my cell phone. dialed the magic number it said to dial and voila. not only vvm (close to it at least) but you get transcribed voicemails...which can be funny to read since they're rarely accurate