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Galaxy Nexus Watering Hole

You have two Nexi coming and I can't get a Note 4 DE to save my life?

:(

Something's wrong at Sammy when they switch your phones and then sell out of the one you ordered... and then take upwards of a week to email a return label to you, and then... I mean, they're SAMSUNG, for cryin' out loud!

:mad:
 
Ticket is purchased for Interstellar tomorrow at noon on iMax. I've been waiting so long for this and super excited!
 
Too bad it has Matthew McConaughey in it... what was Nolan thinking? Still want to see in though. Literally anybody else would have been better.
 
BBK, Lollipop sounds pretty promising usage-wise: but with every new iteration of Android - this one particularly - it's harder & harder to find a root exploit and install custom ROMs.

I believe I predicted about a year ago that we were within two years of losing our modding habits, locked out forever due to increasingly tight code for which no exploit can be found (locked bootloaders don't help either). We're about halfway there: Lollipop is ferociously difficult to root or maintain root. I can imagine next year's Marshmallow - or whatever Android M will be called - will be the final nail in the modding coffin: and Android ROM & kernel flashing will be a thing of the past.

Android 5.0 Lollipop SDK Makes Rooting More Difficult And Overriding Impose Serious Risk To Attacks - International Business Times

I hope I'm wrong: I've rooted and ROMmed every Android phone I've ever had and loved it. But events are bearing me out pretty well.

:( :( :(

I am right there with ya cheif, modding and the end control I have over my device was and is the biggest things that I love and keep me with android *sigh*
 
Yeah, the security sky is falling. :D

Point 5 of the IBT article - "Users who want root access must purchase Android 5.0 devices that are not locked or bound to network carriers." - is hogwash.

You need an unlockable device, and in my opinion, preferably one that doesn't involve an exploit. That's Nexus or an HTC not on Verizon (sometimes AT&T) and possibly Sony with the same predicate.

So already the article is suspect - it liberally quotes chainfire without linking to what he actually said (click the link in the article, don't just trust it lol, it's nonsense), editorialized and not only got it wrong but got it technically wrong.

And best of all, finally found some buzzwords and an actual *Android* expert to quote to make the same point I've been hearing about for years - let's recite together:

Android is vulnerable.
Android is vulnerable to malware.
Rooting Android only makes it worse.

The truth is far less sensational.

1. All operating systems are vulnerable.
2. All vendors ought do more about that.
3. For best security you must have control over your own updates - that means admin access (the original term was superuser or supervisor access, and that's root on all unix variants), maintain a *proper* firewall, and don't let anyone else, including and especially the vendor, control your system updates.

If you don't know how to perform supervisor tasks, trust your vendor cautiously or learn how.

And ignore sensational articles lol.

Meanwhile as I'm sure everyone knows -

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/chainfire-roots-nexus-9/

To begin, that tells us what we should already know - if you can unlock your bootloader, you can inject root.

And in addition to unlocking, here's what he really said that the IBT article was going off of -

https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13fjtr4voemxt4ph04cjl1aoor5ezninhc

And what is the great kernel mod? Changing the ramdisk so that the su daemon runs at boot and therefore as root.

As for root apps (the whole point) being broken thanks to SELinux - perhaps. But I prefer to take chainfire's word for it -

"By far most root apps should be updateable for L without too much issue. There are indeed exceptions that will need some special care, but those are rare."

That was 3 weeks ago. Is it still true?

I don't know, I just know that that the actual, not prerelease, Lollipop has been rooted - on the new Nexus.

What does the future hold?

I have no idea.

I do know that some rules are never going to change -

If you root using an exploit rather than unlocking your bootloader first and that makes you happy, then you're being happy with an inherently non-secure and vulnerable device to begin with. If you get compromised by pirated apps or services or websites or attachments, then don't act surprised. Just be proactive about your own security procedures.

The biggest security vulnerability is and will always be us - users.

And what about supervisor access on SELinux? Does that go away on the desktop?

No. No it does not.

In the desktop world, SuperSU is called sudo. Here's a pretty decent write up about SELinux including what's changed for sudo -

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SELinux

^RIGHT THERE.

SELinux doesn't remove or destroy Linux sudo and it therefore does not have to remove or destroy Android sudo - what you all call SU or SuperSU.

So - does chainfire's method break down the strictures of SELinux? After all, it's a kernel and the internet is quoting chainfire that you have to change it.

Wrong. The kernel is bundled with the Android ramdisk (inside the boot image partition on probably most Androids). He changed the ramdisk, he doesn't burn down SELinux.

The security sky - still not falling.

Rooting Android - still needs an unlockable bootloader to do it right, same as it ever was.

Popular press, and now including Android news sources - still lying dumbasses who believe their trash and want you to as well.

Do we know how and where this whole freak out about Android security started?

Yes. Yes we do.

As you enjoy the following public service message with naughty language bits, remember what Adolf said about 80 years ago - to get people to believe a lie, make it a big one and tell it over and over and over.

From June of 2010 ok -


It's all about the bootloader.

The rest is just noise.
 
It changed the first time for Samsung in the summer of 2011 - http://www.itworld.com/article/2738...hiring-google-s-biggest-android-headache.html

And from that point, Samsung bragged hard about being developer friendly.

Then they changed back.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...samsung-after-less-than-two-years-on-the-job/

By mid 2013 or so they were up to their old tricks.

Samsung has not been root friendly for over a year. They only were for a while and those days are gone.

LG never has been.

Sony is a sorta root friendly - they'll help you unlock your bootloader but kiss goodbye their camera app (one of the big reasons to get a Sony) if you do. (Subject to change.)

If you buy a device that needs an exploit to get you rooted or you buy a carrier device for a carrier against bootloader unlocking -

Don't blame Android or SELinux.

Put the blame where it belongs.

HTC owners already showed the world how to solve the bootloader problem -

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1091102

And we carried that banner proudly here at Androidforums.com.

Beginning in June 2011 the head of HTC answered the petition. That month I unlocked mine using HTCdev.com and have done four more since.

Neither Samsung, LG, or anyone else is Android.

Tell your manufacturer to give you what you want or decide if it's important enough to change brands and/or carriers.

But for the sake of all that is holy, stop giving the lock down carriers and phone makers your hard earned money when they don't give you what you need the most and then blame Android, security, fate or anything else for your predicament.

Every dollar you give while complaining validates to them that you're not serious.

It's that simple.

Sorry if I sound harsh - that's not me, that's just the harsh truth.
 
Unless I'm confused on something, Developer Edition devices (like the Moto X DE) would, like Nexus devices, be preferable as an exploit is not needed for superuser access. Correct? It's just that like Nexus devices, DE devices are few and far between.
 
Unless I'm confused on something, Developer Edition devices (like the Moto X DE) would, like Nexus devices, be preferable as an exploit is not needed for superuser access. Correct? It's just that like Nexus devices, DE devices are few and far between.

HTC anything except on Verizon and probably AT&T, Oppo, One plus One, Sony except on Verizon and probably AT&T - like Nexus and DE models - have unlockable bootloaders.

I haven't looked at AT&T recently so not sure what they're doing this week on restrictions. If they are, buy the Sony or HTC carrier unlocked.

When stepping away from the Verizon and AT&T Kool Aide, many Androids reveal themselves as fully capable. :)

Nexus and DE and my list don't need an exploit because you unlock the bootloader directly and modify boot and/or system from there. (And/or = version and target dependent.)

Samsung and LG owners need not apply. Sorry, I don't make the rules, I'm just the piano player.
 
Here's my point - we probably all compromise on features, no device has it all or does it all.

The one feature that I absolutely, certainly and positively can not compromise on is root access.

That narrows the field but the list is still pretty good.

I have been saying that the Note has been one of my favorite devices since day one and have recommended it highly for people that it fits. Ditto on the LG G2. And other examples. But I don't buy them for me. I won't own a root-by-exploit because I hate that.

And -

I don't think that I'm too out of line in a Nexus lounge pressing root as the most important feature possible for someone like me. :)

I don't think that I'm too out of line separating the issue of how that happens and who's to blame if you can't get it. ;)

That's my opinion.

My earlier wall of text was fact. :D
 
Here's my point - we probably all compromise on features, no device has it all or does it all.

The one feature that I absolutely, certainly and positively can not compromise on is root access.

That narrows the field but the list is still pretty good.

I have been saying that the Note has been one of my favorite devices since day one and have recommended it highly for people that it fits. Ditto on the LG G2. And other examples.

But -

I don't think that I'm too out of line in a Nexus lounge pressing root as the most important feature possible for someone like me. :)

I don't think that I'm too out of line separating the issue of how that happens and who's to blame if you can't get it. ;)
 
<----- Stuck on Verizon Koolaid :(

Nope, until T-Mo gets its act together and brings LTE to our town (right on the Interstate and home to Bonnaroo), I am faced with either (a) sticking with VZW or (b) saying farewell to 4G.

So Verizon Koolaid, please. Make it a double :p
 
<----- Stuck on Verizon Koolaid :(

Nope, until T-Mo gets its act together and brings LTE to our town (right on the Interstate and home to Bonnaroo), I am faced with either (a) sticking with VZW or (b) saying farewell to 4G.

So Verizon Koolaid, please. Make it a double :p

:ditto: though I'm waiting for Sprint.
 
Here's my point - we probably all compromise on features, no device has it all or does it all.

And here I sit still believing in a semiconductor in shining armor (on a white horse, no less) who is going to take me away to that place where everyone is rooted, every tree is an LTE tower and the only caps are worn by elves who are passing around hors d'oevres.

It's just like when I found out that the Easter Bunny wasn't real and those "jelly beans" in my basket was the way my mother got me to take my meds without complaining. ;)
 
<----- Stuck on Verizon Koolaid :(

Nope, until T-Mo gets its act together and brings LTE to our town (right on the Interstate and home to Bonnaroo), I am faced with either (a) sticking with VZW or (b) saying farewell to 4G.

So Verizon Koolaid, please. Make it a double :p

Does T-Mobile have HSPA+ in your area? That might be more than satisfactory considering most people can get an average of 5-8mbps down on HSPA+ and upwards of 20 mbps down on HSPA+ depending on location. When I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile, their HSPA was faster than Verizon LTE in my area because of congestion. Now that T-Mobile has LTE here, it's way faster.
 
Was trying to get the Kool Aide over to that white horse, but I tripped over AT&T and Verizon and spilled their own stuff all over them.

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Stay with me, I'm so cute! *** Ooooo, look at my mighty towers!

My bad. I couldn't feel worse about it.
 
Does T-Mobile have HSPA+ in your area? That might be more than satisfactory considering most people can get an average of 5-8mbps down on HSPA+ and upwards of 20 mbps down on HSPA+ depending on location. When I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile, their HSPA was faster than Verizon LTE in my area because of congestion. Now that T-Mobile has LTE here, it's way faster.

My brief time with T-Mo in DC saw similar results. My Moto G was getting ~6Mbps down on HSPA+ (think it was plus, wasn't LTE) which was totally satisfactory as LTE has just gotten slower since the glorious pre-iPhone Bionic days. :rolleyes:
 
I'll have to look at what Tmo has here.

My Nexus Player has shipped! Just in time to join the rest of the new entertainment system :D

And I finally got an invite to Inbox. Getting the hang of it, very impressed so far!

EDIT: And Philae is on the surface and doing great! Like finding a needle in 10 million haystacks, the little probe rode the Rosetta spacecraft some 4 billion miles over a 10-year period... coming alongside a comet traveling at 41,000 MPH, some 317 MILLION miles away... and safely landing on it. Congrats to the ESA team of people far more clever than me for making it look easy!

:)
 
PSA for Black Friday and anyone possibly looking for a 4k TV.

Vizio has a 60" recently released for $1000, no 3D
Sony and Samsung looks like they will both have $1500 units available.

As for 4k content? Netflix. Amazon. Streaming service that I can't remember the name of? Both Sony and Samsung have media boxes, purchased separately to view select movies. You will also need the media boxes to stream 4k if the TV purchased can not decode the h.265 codec. Sony has the better movies, IMO. There will be 4K bluray discs and players coming by the holidays next year.
 
EDIT: And Philae is on the surface and doing great! Like finding a needle in 10 million haystacks, the little probe rode the Rosetta spacecraft some 4 billion miles over a 10-year period... coming alongside a comet traveling at 41,000 MPH, some 317 MILLION miles away... and safely landing on it. Congrats to the ESA team of people far more clever than me for making it look easy!

:)

Gotta file that with the Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous - Shoemaker.

Launched in 1996, made it to Eros in 2001 and performed the first soft landing on an asteroid.

That didn't draw media attention because it wasn't actually planned in the mission profile.

It was something that management learned about as the controllers were pulling it off.

Shows how we've changed points of view since then. :D
 
Yeah, but this was a comet not an asteroid! So there :p


EDIT: One Nexus Player in hand :D

Our 65" 3D UHD home theater system is marginally operational at this point, enough so that the Darling Bride can sit back and veg out with some degree of control. I'll have everything programmed and put on the universal controller by the end of the week.

After wiring in the surround speakers and tweaking the levels on the subwoofer, I popped in Star Wars III and watched the opening battle sequence. Sound level on the amp was -10 db. And I can tell you this: the sound is stunning but the "4K*" upscaling by the player/TV is pretty much jaw-dropping. I very much look forward to more UHD releases.

*- I refuse to use the term "4K" because it's nothing but a marketing gimmick :p

EDIT 2: I forgot to mention that at -10db the windows rattled! :eek: I have a CD called Time Warp: the opening track is my "torture test" for speakers to see what they're really capable of. But these have to bake in for at least 10 hours before I hurt them with this. So this weekend? Windows? Why clean 'em? Blow 'em out, baby!

:D
 
Yeah, but this was a comet not an asteroid! So there :p


EDIT: One Nexus Player in hand :D

Our 65&quot; 3D UHD home theater system is marginally operational at this point, enough so that the Darling Bride can sit back and veg out with some degree of control. I'll have everything programmed and put on the universal controller by the end of the week.

After wiring in the surround speakers and tweaking the levels on the subwoofer, I popped in Star Wars III and watched the opening battle sequence. Sound level on the amp was -10 db. And I can tell you this: the sound is stunning but the &quot;4K*&quot; upscaling by the player/TV is pretty much jaw-dropping. I very much look forward to more UHD releases.

*- I refuse to use the term &quot;4K&quot; because it's nothing but a marketing gimmick :p

EDIT 2: I forgot to mention that at -10db the windows rattled! :eek: I have a CD called Time Warp: the opening track is my &quot;torture test&quot; for speakers to see what they're really capable of. But these have to bake in for at least 10 hours before I hurt them with this. So this weekend? Windows? Why clean 'em? Blow 'em out, baby!

:D

Episode 3 was the first thing I watched too. Same reaction :D
 
Yeah, but this was a comet not an asteroid! So there :p
:rofl: I think something in my tone of voice was miscommunicated.

I'm not saying, ha ha ha been there done that - I'm saying that it adds to our experience base.

The first time wasn't a program objective. You may see the recording of the first moment again sometime on PBS or NASA TV. You can hear management say that if they'd known they wouldn't have approved it but given that the controllers were that close, go for it. (I've seen that video.)

So, we landed as planned on a comet after a ten year flight.

Before the flight was the mission planning and the vehicle build (along with tests and everything else). How long did that take?

I say again that the controllers secretly planned the asteroid landing and pulled it off in 2001.

Do the math on the years. ;)

And don't believe that all accomplishments are strictly the result of management planning. ;)

This one was.

How it started, wasn't.
 
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