There obviously a reason why some have iphones and some have android phones. If you love your phone so much, go to an apple forum and go nuts. People here already own GN's and for the most part, love them. Do you think that you are somehow going to persuade someone into buying an iphone when they already have had plenty of chances to do so?
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There obviously a reason why some have iphones and some have android phones. If you love your phone so much, go to an apple forum and go nuts. People here already own GN's and for the most part, love them. Do you think that you are somehow going to persuade someone into buying an iphone when they already have had plenty of chances to do so?
bi0nicman
Member
This lady is an Apple user through and through. She has many of Apple's products and it probably was a natural thing for her to get an iPhone. For people like her and my wife, the iPhone is bombastic. For the rest of us on the cutting edge (with choices!), we pick Android
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You mean the CNET Tech executive editor who has had 4 Android phones before the 4S?? That one? The one who is also tech editor for CBS and other media??
Is CNET bias for Apple?
imronburgundy
Android Enthusiast
Went from Droid X to iPhone 4s, now to Galaxy Nexus wanting some 4g goodness. Wondering if I made a mistake though. I've got the extended battery on this beast but battery life is horrible on here. I've gone through all of the normal tips but this is ridiculous. The mobile app for phandroid won't let me upload the screenshot but literally my extended battery dropped 8% in literally 8 minutes and that was using 3g and setting up tasker profiles . This really can't be normal can it?
How long have you had your phone? My battery didn't really stabilize until a couple of weeks of use. It's pointless to tell you how long my battery lasts, but it did take a few full charges and complete discharges before it got better.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
I don't think you understood what I was saying at all.
I'm talking about restricting a product for the sake of battery life, which I find to idiotic from a consumer standpoint. Do Apple products get better battery life that Android products? Duh, the answer will typically be yes. Can an iPhone do everything an Android phone can do because it is restricted? No, not even close.
Having a replaceable battery on a phone goes to the very heart of the difference between Apple and Android. It is about choice. You have the choice to buy and extended battery or stay with the factory installed one. You have the choice of buying an extra battery to use if that is what you feel you need. You have the choice to run flash or not install it all. You have a choice to run live wallpaper or install 50 different widgets. You have the choice set things up to conserve battery life or let things run wide open and let the sucker drain down as quickly as you want.
IMNSHO, I think that people make far too much of an issue about battery life anyway. These aren't flip phones, they are mobile computers now. Some people do more on their phone than they do on their own computer. If anyone expects a battery to last for a full day they are kidding themselves. How long do most true laptop batteries last? 6 hours or so? Why in the world would you expect something that works just as hard, if not harder to last a whole lot longer. Besides, this is why we have wall chargers and car chargers in the first place. If you are going to be away from any power source for a long period of time then you have the choice to buy an extra battery. If you are going to be away for longer than the life of two batteries then get three or four or twenty. You have the options available if that is what you need to do.
The whole point is that these options are available to Android users, but not Apple users. God gave us free will and so did Android. What we do from there is pretty much up to us.
Ummmm, yea. Just about anyone with an open mind would agree that sites like BGR and CNET are overly biased towards Apple.
Look up the iPhone vs Moto Droid review they did. The iPhone won even though they couldn't receive or make a call on it and they even commented about how horrible making calls were on the iPhone. How can a phone win a contest when it isn't capable of making or receiving calls?
So, stability, reliability, etc. don't count? I lost count how many times i have to reboot my wife's Nexus (and my old Androids)...how many times it froze on me during an important call...how many times it died on me during the night because some wild app going crazy (resulting in a miss alarm!!)...and so on. Can Android beat Apple at these very BASIC function of a reliable phone? If it can, then show me where and i will sign up! Screw the widgets or the fish aquarium background (love those things!), i want a phone that works! And maybe unlike some of you, my phone is EVERYTHING to me, for pleasure and work. Yeah, i am a disgruntled Android user, who began with Android but lost confidence in it. And what has Google shown? The ability to push things under the carpet and go onto something else. Did they fix what was broken with Gingerbread? Nope. Moved on. Did they fix what was wrong with Nexus S? Nope. Moved on. Where is the Google experience?? Remember, Google told us Nexus S owners that ICS will come to Nexus within "weeks"! I am sure that they only did this so that people buy into the "Google experience" and that folks think that Google phones are different. We're in February 17, 2012...and there is no ICS in sight for Nexus S. I am sure when the next gen GN comes out (with the next 5.0?), Google will say the same things to you folks...and then leave you out in the cold!
none of my phones have done any of the things you said. just because you had lemons doesn't mean the whole system stinks and don't front as far as resetting goes. i know mad people who had to reboot their iphones including my girlfriend and parents.
Sandroidfan
Android Expert
It won't be very good for first couple of days. You need to go through three full recharge cycles at least to see normal battery life on Nexus. Also if it's left in LTE auto mode, it will drain equally fast no matter it's on 4G or 3G.
Personal battery stats varies with location, setting, apps usage, but on the average it's like 9 hours on 4G, 20 hours on 3G, 30 hours on WiFi under moderate usage. I'm doing pretty close to that average on battery. I think it's fairly close to iPhone4S on 3G and WiFi if not better.
Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
Anecdotal accounts of bugs/hassles with a device do have some validity, but nothing quite like a true bug that makes the news as a recall or via excuses by the company head, such as the infamous iPhone "you're holding it wrong," or the recent Nexus/Google foible of phantom USB support, etc.
As I cruise the iPhone forum I find near suicidal angst over this or that disappointment. Enter "iPhone reboots" in to Google and you'll see quite a list of poor folk's laments, "...every 30 seconds," "constantly," etc.
Wrt overall reliability, Android wins if you like Android, iPhone wins if you like iPhone.
alostpacket
Over Macho Grande?
"fragmentation"
As a dev who has actually had to write the code to handle "fragmentation" I can assure you it's really not an issue.
Changes in the Android API from version to version are relatively minor and no more a problem for devs than iOS platform changes. Supporting different screen sizes is a minor problem.
There is only one main significant challenge regarding fragmentation: low-level hardware access (such as the Bluetooth stack). Even some of that is being abstracted away so that there is a common ground for devs.
Android as a platform has some problems, but the fragmentation one is a myth.
Battery Life
As for batteries it's hard to make comparisons between devices without 3G (ipod) or 4G (iphone) radios, or small screen sizes (iphone) with the GNex.
The biggest battery drainers in any mobile device are:
1) The screen
2) Radios (3G, 4G, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC, etc)
Those two things tend account for typically 80% of battery usage.
Stability
iOS apps actually crash more often than Android apps do.
Do iOS Apps Crash More Than Android Apps? A Data Dive - Forbes
(Tangent)
The slant in the CNet article was atrocious. There were several factual errors and a bunch of anecdotal nonsense with a topping of sensationalism. Apparently if you use an iPhone you can fix it at an Apple store while Android users have no recourse but to type in long text commands or dial special programming numbers. That's not only ridiculously inflammatory and wrong, it's borderline irresponsible journalism.
And while I wouldn't accuse CNet of being biased for Google or Apple, they are certainly motivated by stirring up sensationalism.
Are there benefits to Apple's devices? Of course! Are there drawback to Android? Absolutely! Is comparing them a bit silly? I hope so!
Anyways, off to the lounge this thread goes
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As a dev who has actually had to write the code to handle "fragmentation" I can assure you it's really not an issue.
Changes in the Android API from version to version are relatively minor and no more a problem for devs than iOS platform changes. Supporting different screen sizes is a minor problem.
There is only one main significant challenge regarding fragmentation: low-level hardware access (such as the Bluetooth stack). Even some of that is being abstracted away so that there is a common ground for devs.
Android as a platform has some problems, but the fragmentation one is a myth.
Battery Life
As for batteries it's hard to make comparisons between devices without 3G (ipod) or 4G (iphone) radios, or small screen sizes (iphone) with the GNex.
The biggest battery drainers in any mobile device are:
1) The screen
2) Radios (3G, 4G, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC, etc)
Those two things tend account for typically 80% of battery usage.
Stability
iOS apps actually crash more often than Android apps do.
Do iOS Apps Crash More Than Android Apps? A Data Dive - Forbes
(Tangent)
The slant in the CNet article was atrocious. There were several factual errors and a bunch of anecdotal nonsense with a topping of sensationalism. Apparently if you use an iPhone you can fix it at an Apple store while Android users have no recourse but to type in long text commands or dial special programming numbers. That's not only ridiculously inflammatory and wrong, it's borderline irresponsible journalism.
And while I wouldn't accuse CNet of being biased for Google or Apple, they are certainly motivated by stirring up sensationalism.
Are there benefits to Apple's devices? Of course! Are there drawback to Android? Absolutely! Is comparing them a bit silly? I hope so!
Anyways, off to the lounge this thread goes
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OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
As I've told you multiple times, you need to calm down. You get far too worked up when discussing this. I know from our past conversations that you have a bad phone. Why you refuse to accept the fact that you picked up a lemon is beyond me. There are a ton of very happy Nexus S owners out there and while you may choose to believe that you are far superior to all of them, you really aren't. Most all of them do the exact same things with their phones as you do.
Of course stability and reliability are important. Nobody ever said that they were not. You are once again looking for an argument were there isn't one to be had. As I've said to you many times on this forum, your experience is uncommon. I have no idea what "wild" apps you installed, but you obviously have issues. It is either a bad phone or you are picking the worst of the worst in the market or out of the market. I've been using Android since 1.5 and have never had any of the issues you describe and that is dealing with 3 different Droid Eris, Motorola OG Droid, Droid Incredible 2, Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S), Samsung Vibrant, HTC Rezound and now the Galaxy Nexus. While I'll admit that I have helped and talked to plenty of users that have had issues or lemon phones don't try to pretend that lemons are exclusive to Android. There are reports of iPhones exploding in people's pockets, but I don't take that as the norm for the phone. If it was I'd take any of the problems you are claiming vs loss of a limb.
As far as your phone being everything, mine is too. I work my phones to death. I wouldn't accept or tolerate a phone that was buggy or had issues. My first Nexus had a microphone bug and it was back at Best Buy within a couple of days. It is the first and only Android I have ever had a real issue with. My current Nexus is buttery smooth, fast as can be and I get 13 to 15 hours of battery life on average. I don't see an issue.
As far as "fixing what was broken" in Gingerbread, what was broken? Oh, that's right in your mind it is just about everything. I'm not sure that you understand that ICS is the next evolution of the OS. They didn't drop and restart with a different OS, they just advanced onto the newest version. Apple did this with iOS 5, the difference is that Apple thinks iOS is perfect just the way it is so they added some stuff but decided to keep everything else same old same old. Google actually sees where there is room for improvement and they take the logical next steps (as they see them) to move the OS forward overall. Nothing is going under any carpet as you suggest. Would you have preferred that they spend a whole bunch of time fiddling around with a single part of an overall OS design or moving forward in that design? If you say fiddling around, then I don't think there is much else to talk about.
As far as the Nexus S being updated, I've never seen any type of timeline on it, but then again I've never looked. Most of the Nexus S owners I know have rooted phones that are already running ICS. Then again, right now the Galaxy Nexus is the one and only phone with ICS right now. It could have something to do with the exclusivity stuff Google signed with Verizon. It could have to do with some possible issue that the Nexus S hardware is having with ICS. I have no idea and I choose not to speculate, but your complaint on this sounds just like anyone I see getting upset about updates and then getting mad when they are rushed and imperfect.
Let's not kid ourselves though. You have an issue with Android based on your bad experience. Since you don't see others coming in to declare the same things you do, you might want to consider the fact that your problem is exclusive to you.
AndroidSPCS
Android Expert
I use iOS and Android. Here's a reason I had to turn off iMessenger on my iPhone 4s and my iPad: The Apple Bug That Let Us Spy on a Total Stranger's iPhone
I just don't feel safe any more with my iOS devices.
I just don't feel safe any more with my iOS devices.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
As I've said before, your issue is most likely with Sprint or Samsung then. Unless you experienced the exact same problem on both phones, then I would say it was an app you had installed. As far as Samsung goes, I've had two and my only issues have been update time on my Galaxy S and less than perfect signal which was later fixed by the overdue update on the Galaxy S. Then again, everyone knows Samsung takes forever to put out updates to US phones.
As far as Sprint goes, I've never had anything good come from having to deal with them so I can't say anything nice. This is more of a comment on their customer service quality and not their phones.
As I've said to many an Android, BlackBerry, iPhone, WP7, Symbian, Palm and generic flip phone user before, phones can have problems. Not all phones do the same things and depending on the user, apps installed, build, connection, manufacturer, time of year, color of the case, hat the user has on or the current penguin population in Antarctica one phone will not operate the same as another phone. While I work off the assumption that your iPhone has not blown up in your pocket, that you have not been holding it wrong, that it doesn't reboot every 30 seconds or that every app you use doesn't crash you should probably do the same for the majority of Android phones on the market related to the problems you've experienced. In other words, you should go ahead and assume that what happened with your phones doesn't normally happen with all other Android phones. It would be incredibly illogical for anyone to own an Android phone and impossible for the OS to already be on it's 7th iteration if that was the case.
AndroidSPCS
Android Expert
I have used iPhones since the very first iPhone 2G (which now dual boots Android ). I use an iPhone 4S, iPad 2, and my Android devices daily.
After having used dozens of Android devices, and dozens of iOS devices, it is clear to me that Android is far superior to iOS devices. I owe no allegiance to either Apple or Google, but Apple's iOS devices are so crippling and simple, I now refer to my iPhone as a "feature phone" rather than a "smart phone". It simply can't do a fraction of what my Android phones can do.
). I use an iPhone 4S, iPad 2, and my Android devices daily.After having used dozens of Android devices, and dozens of iOS devices, it is clear to me that Android is far superior to iOS devices. I owe no allegiance to either Apple or Google, but Apple's iOS devices are so crippling and simple, I now refer to my iPhone as a "feature phone" rather than a "smart phone". It simply can't do a fraction of what my Android phones can do.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
I have used iPhones since the very first iPhone 2G (which now dual boots Android
After having used dozens of Android devices, and dozens of iOS devices, it is clear to me that Android is far superior to iOS devices. I owe no allegiance to either Apple or Google, but Apple's iOS devices are so crippling and simple, I now refer to my iPhone as a "feature phone" rather than a "smart phone". It simply can't do a fraction of what my Android phones can do.
Other than helping iPhone users with their device where I used to work I have not really used any of the iPhones that much. There were a few things that I found annoying about them when using them and rather counter intuitive, IMO. The settings menu was one and simple things like not being able to shuffle all songs in a particular genre was another. Overall, I just found the interface too boring.
5280Man
Well-Known Member
Not everyone wants a new redesign every few years? Speak for yourself. Ask the American Auto makers how that worked out for them. They went stagnant and lost market share to other companies that innovated faster and came out with new models and upgraded models every year or every few years. And that's the auto industry, the technology sector moves even faster! Apple innovated with the ipod. The iphone was a great phone when it came out, back in 2007! It's still a great device, just not a cutting edge device anymore. Apple markets really really really well and that's what put them on top for many years. The iphone is behind the curve and will have to conform more to the Android devices to stay relevant.
http://androidforums.com/lounge/494401-android-more-stable-than-ios-phandroid-article.html
Just saying.
Indeed.
For those with apps for the forum, or just in a hurry, here's the tl/dr snapshot -
Because the pie has so many slices, it's a little hard to see the arrows, but basically, it's showing well over of 75% of crashes monitored going to iDevices.
The other thing that's interesting is that Apple propaganda to the contrary, people are not marching along in lockstep with their iOS updates and therefore, iOS is every bit as fragmented as Android.
So, that's two myths killed for the price of one.
Just saying.
i suggest u get ur wife's GNex exchanged..
this is my current status.. check up time (104hours without booting)
my previous one was at around 250hr without booting.
im from iphone4 so dont even try to claim IOS is more stable/reliable than android. every OS has their own bugs including windows and linux.
Same/similar problems with both Android phones. Apps crashing? Sure...for me, a wash from my experience. But, the basic function of a phone crashing is what i am talking about, not a game or app. A phone that becomes unresponsive...a phone that reboots randomly. THAT is what i am talking about. Poor signal strength, poor Wifi reception, poor 4G reception. Both phones. These are the reasons why i gave up on the Epic 4G. These are the reasons why my wife won't go back to Android...but since she does not use it much other than texting and making calls (non-emergently, unlike me), she will put up with it until 2 year is up.
If i were to go back to Android, then i would need to go to Motorola for their good radios. But, then from what i hear, their update scheduling is horrible...but then again, i am still waiting for update on my Nexus S....
If i were to go back to Android, then i would need to go to Motorola for their good radios. But, then from what i hear, their update scheduling is horrible...but then again, i am still waiting for update on my Nexus S....
northernale1
Android Enthusiast
ask anyone who had a 3G iphone with 4.0 OS on it, made the phone unusable, i sure wish the battery was removable then, as there was more freeze ups with the whole phone with that, then with all the smartphones I have had put together,,
but yet do I go over to Iphone forums and whine and complain ,, NO,,
maybe some food for thought
but yet do I go over to Iphone forums and whine and complain ,, NO,,
maybe some food for thought
scooterinmn
Member
It's clear to me, from reading the snarky remarks here and from other iSheep that they only need some justification. If I was to go out and purchase a car for $90k only because Paris Hilton was seen driving one knowing good and well that I could get a COMPARABLE (not better or worse) one for $40k, I would be highly motivated to justify my purchase. We all know that the Android platform is better at the end of the day. That's not the issue. iSheep need to validate their own purchase decision.
In my own personal experience,90% of females that i know and see around all own iphones....the funny thing is most of them don't even know what ios version they are running....most say to me they brought an iphone because it looks cool and their friends have them.....I'm all android,but apple have really hit the jackpot in regards of marketing their products to the average consumer and moron celebrities