Is Apple going to steal the spotlight from Android? iPhone OS 4.0

[technoholicjakk]

If you want all the things you mentioned the Iphone would be in maybe top 5 and android would be bottom 10 right now. If your serious about business only then you would likely have a blackberry or a WinMo phone.

I am unfamiliar with Blackberry phones, and the last WM phone I used was a shocker. Can I ask, what features does any Blackberry or WM device have that make it better suited for business than any Android phone or iPhone? And just to clarify, the serious sales guys opinions do not matter to me - I just want yours.

Justify your comment please

 

[blinky]

If your talking business the Iphone is nowhere close to a legitimate business phone (maybe give it a slight edge with their apps to help it along); If you want all the things you mentioned the Iphone would be in maybe top 5 and android would be bottom 10 right now. If your serious about business only then you would likely have a blackberry or a WinMo phone.

Ill gladly admit my N1 or 3Gs is not the best phone for business; but i use them because im a geek and will make them work for me. Most of the serious sales guys I know do not use an iphone or android.

Define business phone. If your definition of business phone is to be able to communicate (ie, email) reliably, then today's smartphones... yes, pretty much any of them... will be able to satisfy your needs. The Blackberry is nothing special anymore. Apple, Google, even Palm have all developed high quality email services including MS Exchange support into their products. So, Blackberry is no better as a business phone than any other smartphone.

 

[bbrosen]

Look, I am 44, I have been installing and maintaining and managing phone systems and data networks since 1985, so maybe compared to you i am a "noob" Just because some people choose Apple because they do not want to tinker with it all the time does not make one lazy. that is just a childish statement to make. Some just want the darn thing to perform fast easy and with power, without tinkering under the hood. No i do not work for Apple as one suggested. I guess you guys missed the forums for apple where I complained about them too, right? I am sure you guys were there, I just know it. I hate the fact that it was a one task device, it was my main complaint. They will be upgrading the hardware as well as software, doesn't everyone?


It's just a different world for those of us who came from it, the problems android has are just different from Apples. Foe some a lack of features is a problem and for others a lack of performance is important. Iphone had/has a lack of features, Android lacks performance and standardization.

HTC I feel is as much to blame too for the under powered phones it has with the HTC Hero. Hard to multitask with the processor it has to begin with. My carrier limits my Android choice of phones at the moment, maybe the nexus or droid is loads better, i have not seen one in real life yet, but hear great things..I would have gotten the nexus or droid had I the choice with my carrier.

Again, why the hatred for apple? Why the hatred for Ms? Everyone has opinions, especially on the web, so why get bent out of shape. No matter what device i use, be it pc, mac, mobile phone, gps, hdtv etc etc, i will always demand top performance, I work too hard for my money to accept mediocrity when i shell out big bucks. Seems the younger generation has lowered their expectations. maybe because they are used to crappy customer service and are conditioned to just accept things and sit down and be quiet.


I just got a new stereo system in my vehicle, the built in blue tooth works seamlessly with my hero, i love it, its a pioneer I got from best buy. another thing I will say good about the hero, it has great mp3 playback, sounds just as good as my ipod touch, hows that for ya? I might be able to, with a larger sd card, replace my 32 gb ipod touch with this device. It would be nice to not have 2 devices to keep up with, and have less cables because I can stream via bluetooth too. Even with bluetooth streaming it sounds darn good. I am impressed. Thats what mstarted me with apple, my wife got me an ipod touch for my birthday, then it blossomed to an iphone, then well here ya go today, I went with another because my unlimited web, email, text, nationwide calling etc etc, was 160.00 a month with att, now its free, via my company which pays 59.00 per person for the same. My wife even switched to this company and got a blackberry, 59.00 a month,unlimited everything , can't be beat. but their phone selection is limited, but the cell service is reliable, 3g everywhere in the state just about.


I plan on rooting my phone this weekend, no one seems unhappy after they did it. i jail broke both my iphone and ipod, it is actually seems like it was harder than android, so I am looking forward to it.

 

[bbrosen]

I tried blackberry as my business phone but browseing the web or even navigating the device was a night mare. I also needed to store and read large pdf files, like a 2,000 page tech manual, and i could not do it on a blackberry. i used my ipod for awhile until i got my iphone..

 

[DellyBelly]

Define business phone. If your definition of business phone is to be able to communicate (ie, email) reliably, then today's smartphones... yes, pretty much any of them... will be able to satisfy your needs. The Blackberry is nothing special anymore. Apple, Google, even Palm have all developed high quality email services including MS Exchange support into their products. So, Blackberry is no better as a business phone than any other smartphone.

As a previous user of a blackberry in a corporate environment the BES server ALONE is enough. This is why my company (A very large one) has no acceptance of the Iphone but does have one for blackberries in the field.

When you can push down policy and apps through the BES; only then will Iphone or Android be a serious BUSINESS phone.

I didn't say *I* can't use it as a business phone as I am in IT and would rather not be locked to our BES and like to tinker. Our acceptance program for the BES server took almost 2 years to be standard which is likely the case at most large companies.

And for me if i really wanted to do "business" on the road I wouldn't want to use my N1 specifically for corporate e-mail; the interface for androids exchange support is not good at all; especially the calendar or lack thereof; thats a pretty essential need in a business phone on the road. And back syncing with gmail from in a corporate environment? Instant firing or at least stern warning.

I'm not knocking either Iphone or Android as I have both and work in mobile; but to think they are better than a blackberry or winmo device is not accurate in big business. (Maybe i should have specified big business?)

 

[technoholicjakk]

As a previous user of a blackberry in a corporate environment the BES server ALONE is enough. This is why my company (A very large one) has no acceptance of the Iphone but does have one for blackberries in the field.

When you can push down policy and apps through the BES; only then will Iphone or Android be a serious BUSINESS phone.

I didn't say *I* can't use it as a business phone as I am in IT and would rather not be locked to our BES and like to tinker. Our acceptance program for the BES server took almost 2 years to be standard which is likely the case at most large companies.

And for me if i really wanted to do "business" on the road I wouldn't want to use my N1 specifically for corporate e-mail; the interface for androids exchange support is not good at all; especially the calendar or lack thereof; thats a pretty essential need in a business phone on the road. And back syncing with gmail from in a corporate environment? Instant firing or at least stern warning.

I'm not knocking either Iphone or Android as I have both and work in mobile; but to think they are better than a blackberry or winmo device is not accurate in big business. (Maybe i should have specified big business?)

Okidokie, well justified on the Blackberry side.

However, I feel the only reason businesses actually use WM is because they generate 'automatically' a deal from Microsoft for using their PC OS. They get discounts, much like you get for contents cover if you insure your home. Cutting back costs is the easiest way to increase your profits - I have friends whom work for Virgin Mobile, Orange and RIM - Neither have a WM device nor a Blackberry. Of course, the Virgin Mobile 'employee' doesn't have a WM device due to VM not offering one, right? Wrong. She had the option to get the HD2 and instead went with T-Mobile and got a N1. Why? because it is better.

Perhaps it is the medium sized businesses whom want to adopt an OS which is, to be honest, terrible - of course, there will be larger businesses too. The only good variant of WM that has been applied succesfully to a mobile phone which has mass appeal is the HTC HD2, which having used, I can actually recommend for business (contradictory I know).

I use a Nokia 6700 for my daily business work, I am a Contracted SEO Campaign Consultant working on and on behalf of UK businesses nationwide, Symbian S40 has always served me well for quick and easy navigating and simple e-mail.

For my social life, I use a HTC Hero which I have running 2.1. I'd happily use that over WM for business.

 

[IOWA]

not sure why all the Apple hatred, I just know how well their stuff works. statements like Apple is for snobs and lazy people are just childish. Apple is not for geeks who like to tinker, pure and simple and they focus more on speed power and ease of use. I also do not hate windows or Bill gates either, but it is dissapointing for a lot of users who came from that environment to spend the same amount of money and get less then what we had. Less customer service, less user experience. It is nice to change walls and have themes, if your a kid, which a lot of this stuff is really for I am sure, but I use mine for work, no one sees my phone but me, i don't pass it around to my buddies, I need it to work hard and work fast as well as be intuitive. I do not like not having the choice to upgrade the OS being determined by the handset maker as well as my carrier, i do not like to tinker all day to keep it running smooth and fast and reliable, ie soft resets, task killers, I do not like having crap run in the background i have no control over.

Iphone and Apple are not perfect, but no one company/product is. If you do not want to be adult about it fine, its the internet, say what you want. I griped about things to apple as well, but not the basics, like emailing and scrolling contacts, freezing up, lagging, slow as molasses. Common features were missing ie copy paste, mms and multitasking, multitasking was a big one for me. copy paste and mms not so much but for a lot of others it was.

everyone has different needs or desires in their devices. I am with android, I want it to succeed, but people need to learn to take criticism on both sides.

lack of a universal desktop program and software and hardware standards hurts too.

Really? Are you realy that misinformed or just plain stupid? You get less with a pc? Really? So more compatibility, more programs, more games, more devices, and just more. Macs can't even render the internet correctly without the web designer writing two separate sets of coding. You can't modify apples, you can't upgrade, you can't customize, apple should just change the names of their overpriced, low quality crap products to icant.

And since when does an Crapple product cost the same as anything else in the same market? Uh never?

And as for speed mac computers are a lot slower than their pc counterparts.. with the same hardware. Working in a graphics shop I've done personal benchmark tests.. and the pc was indeed faster.

And as for your universal crap argument.. the massive majority of people like customizability. They are not one size fits all. Think of it this way... how many people are NOT iPhone owners. How many people DON'T own a mac. They pick a different product on purpose.

And yes, iPhone are built for teenagers and people who want to be trendy. Not a business user.

 

[DellyBelly]

I got nothing on winmo I don't really have much experience with those phones outside of my corporate environment so I can take you on your info here.

Either way bb will be around a lil while longer and is still one of the most used business phones around. Good post though and thanks for the respectful debate.

 

[DellyBelly]

Whoops double post.

 

[technoholicjakk]

Really? Are you realy that misinformed or just plain stupid? You get less with a pc? Really? So more compatibility, more programs, more games, more devices, and just more. Macs can't even render the internet correctly without the web designer writing two separate sets of coding. You can't modify apples, you can't upgrade, you can't customize, apple should just change the names of their overpriced, low quality crap products to icant.

And since when does an Crapple product cost the same as anything else in the same market? Uh never?

And as for speed mac computers are a lot slower than their pc counterparts.. with the same hardware. Working in a graphics shop I've done personal benchmark tests.. and the pc was indeed faster.

And as for your universal crap argument.. the massive majority of people like customizability. They are not one size fits all. Think of it this way... how many people are NOT iPhone owners. How many people DON'T own a mac. They pick a different product on purpose.

And yes, iPhone are built for teenagers and people who want to be trendy. Not a business user.

Wow. You sound pretty angry mate, but I like your style.

And he is right - on all accounts, except one > Apple products aren't of a low quality they are of a very high standard. In fact, they are one of a few companies who will spend over 1.5 million dollars just to get the corners of a Macbook to have the right balance between being square and being rounded.

But apart from the external casing, I can't argue that the overall hardware of a Mac is shit compared to what you can get for a PC in the same price bracket.

I don't have this problem though - because my preferred OS is UBUNTU no viruses, no thrills and just hard case programming. Love it, and guess what? It doesn't have the piss praise Apple logo

 

[technoholicjakk]

I got nothing on winmo I don't really have much experience with those phones outside of my corporate environment so I can take you on your info here.

Either way bb will be around a lil while longer and is still one of the most used business phones around. Good post though and thanks for the respectful debate.

Almost certainly

And I have huge respect for BB for becoming such a recognised leader in the business phone world, but their product development team really are not cutting it anymore. 3 years ago they were just buzzing, but now I see people choosing Nokia E72's over a blackberry Bold < not a bad choice, I must say, but where did it all go wrong?

One could blame the fact that Blackberry have not really adapted to the change in consumer behaviour - favouring QWERTY keypads, although good, is not what 30% of consumers want. They want a touch screen, and the Storm (terrible terrible phone) and Storm 2 (also a terrible terrible phone) do not have any appeal, because, well, they are riduclously priced and utterly dreadful.

Knowing BB will not adopt Android, they need to come up with something fast - because sooner or later businesses internationally will turn round and say 'Hey, this BB - the Bold, does it include an easily navigated UI and the ability to open multi applications seamlessly and offer a fantastic app store?' - to which the reply will be 'No, but it has a QWERTY keypad'.

Remember - 30% of the smart phone market, when it comes down to numbers, is tens of millions < BB can not afford to mess around.

No problem about the debate mate.

 

[IOWA]

Wow. You sound pretty angry mate, but I like your style.

And he is right - on all accounts, except one > Apple products aren't of a low quality they are of a very high standard. In fact, they are one of a few companies who will spend over 1.5 million dollars just to get the corners of a Macbook to have the right balance between being square and being rounded.

But apart from the external casing, I can't argue that the overall hardware of a Mac is shit compared to what you can get for a PC in the same price bracket.

I don't have this problem though - because my preferred OS is UBUNTU no viruses, no thrills and just hard case programming. Love it, and guess what? It doesn't have the piss praise Apple logo

Lol I just hate the propaganga spewing misinformed wingnuts. Sigh. And spending that much on rounded corners, is just stupid. Its like nasa spending millions on a pen that writes in space and the russians just used a pencil.....

And coming from winmo myself, to this day, there is NO mobile platform that even comes close to winmo's pure functionality. Winmo has had everything we yearn for, for years already. Flash support, MILLIONS of apps, true exchange and push email, they even have sloud syncing, and localized syncing. Hell, I could play starcraft on my tpro. How's that for gaming. The email on winmo is great. Windows live messenger is more than great. You can send and receive files, send voice slips, receive voice clips, anything you could do with pc live messenger your could do with winmo live messenger. You had pocket excel, word, powerpoint, and more. Hell they had an iphone look a like ui on winmo in 2 weeks. They even had an android inspired ui. There are so many ui's for winmo its sick. They are all there.
That's just some of the reasons business users use winmo. It just can. Android needs to take a page out of the winmo handbook. Now I myself, do think android will find its way, and that's why I've hopped on the android boat. The open source community will correct these flaws and android will succeed. The only thing that kept winmo back is you have to learn how to use it. And let's face it, people in general are lazy and stupid. That is the basis of the iphones success. It was easy to use. But on the other hand... when the iphone can't really do much..... then it of course should be easy to use.

 

[QrafTee]

That's just some of the reasons business users use winmo. It just can. Android needs to take a page out of the winmo handbook. Now I myself, do think android will find its way, and that's why I've hopped on the android boat. The open source community will correct these flaws and android will succeed. The only thing that kept winmo back is you have to learn how to use it. And let's face it, people in general are lazy and stupid. That is the basis of the iphones success. It was easy to use. But on the other hand... when the iphone can't really do much..... then it of course should be easy to use.

Well in Apple's defense--never thought I'd hear myself say... err... type that--the market they're going for is a lot bigger than the market we are composed of; this is why people buy more expensive things to get less, easier to use, hard to break, pay for a subscription when a competing service is free, "even a caveman can do it" features and the like.

 

[darreno1]

And for me if i really wanted to do "business" on the road I wouldn't want to use my N1 specifically for corporate e-mail; the interface for androids exchange support is not good at all; especially the calendar or lack thereof; thats a pretty essential need in a business phone on the road. And back syncing with gmail from in a corporate environment? Instant firing or at least stern warning.

I'm not knocking either Iphone or Android as I have both and work in mobile; but to think they are better than a blackberry or winmo device is not accurate in big business. (Maybe i should have specified big business?)

Ever heard of Touchdown? Yeah you have to pay for it but it will do exactly what you're talking about and do it very well.

As for big business and blackberry, yeah Blackberry will be a around for a while I agree, but it will only be a matter of time before Exchange Activesync match it in features. I believe the smaller businesses will see greater Active Sync usage first, but then it will gradually migrate to the bigger ones. It's just that right now, many of the big guys are already heavily invested in BES.

With the rate that Android seems to be growing, a more fully featured stock Exchange client has to be right around the corner. Trust me, they will want to woo the business users too.

 

[bbrosen]

Really? Are you realy that misinformed or just plain stupid? You get less with a pc? Really? So more compatibility, more programs, more games, more devices, and just more. Macs can't even render the internet correctly without the web designer writing two separate sets of coding. You can't modify apples, you can't upgrade, you can't customize, apple should just change the names of their overpriced, low quality crap products to icant.

And since when does an Crapple product cost the same as anything else in the same market? Uh never?

And as for speed mac computers are a lot slower than their pc counterparts.. with the same hardware. Working in a graphics shop I've done personal benchmark tests.. and the pc was indeed faster.

And as for your universal crap argument.. the massive majority of people like customizability. They are not one size fits all. Think of it this way... how many people are NOT iPhone owners. How many people DON'T own a mac. They pick a different product on purpose.

And yes, iPhone are built for teenagers and people who want to be trendy. Not a business user.

Why are you name calling? Are we in the 2nd grade or something? Take an aspirin, relax, let those veins sink back into your forehead..there...there...feel better now? Good. Ok what part of "Apple is not for Geeks who like to tinker" do you not understand? Sorry you feel people who have a life, family friends, kids, wife , girlfriend, dog, cat, and who work in the tech field all day tinkering with the worlds technologies wants to come home and maybe not tinker with their setup in their own home? For some reason for you, that equates laziness. Well, it's a free country my friend. whatever.

Most people are good honest hard working people who are not lazy, but just have never learned to repair a pc, learn code, flash roms, hack or jailbreak things. Most people just like to use a computer to "gasp!" send an email, markup and pass along a doc, play on face book, watch youtube, or even play solitaire. Not everyone has an inner or outter geek, and wants to dismantle and reassemble a pc, overclock it, rewrite the OS just for the hell of it. get a grip.

funny thing is, I always heard about how snobby apple fans were, even arrogant, but to be honest after getting to know people in the community of apple people, they really were not any where near like i was told. In fact, i have found more hostility here as well as condescending remarks then i did in any Iphone forum. At least you could gripe and critisize without being called stupid.

I am self taught at what i do, no formal training. Only to get licensed and certified did i do anything formal. not everyone can or wants to do what we do, but why be an ass about it?

 

[blinky]

I got nothing on winmo I don't really have much experience with those phones outside of my corporate environment so I can take you on your info here.

Either way bb will be around a lil while longer and is still one of the most used business phones around. Good post though and thanks for the respectful debate.

Apple, Google, Palm, and even Windows are more reliable than Blackberry for email. Blackberry used to be king when it comes to mobile email. And that has just been repeated over and over. The other smartphone OSes has surpassed Blackberry for email reliability. I'll tell you why.

Outside of the corporate environment, Blackberry is not dominant at all. To say that Blackberry is more prevalent in the corporate environment because of Blackberry Exchange server support is ridiculous. For one, all those emails must get routed through Blackberry's Canadian Exchange servers. There have been multiple outages just this past year. How's THAT for reliability?

With the advent of multi-system wide exchange support offered by Apple, Google, Palm, and even Windows there is more security built in as there are not only backup servers, but multiple servers sharing the load. Now, THAT is reliability. Blackberry is using old technology. They may have a pretty interface on their devices for organizing email, but that's it.

 

[IOWA]

Why are you name calling? Are we in the 2nd grade or something? Take an aspirin, relax, let those veins sink back into your forehead..there...there...feel better now? Good. Ok what part of "Apple is not for Geeks who like to tinker" do you not understand? Sorry you feel people who have a life, family friends, kids, wife , girlfriend, dog, cat, and who work in the tech field all day tinkering with the worlds technologies wants to come home and maybe not tinker with their setup in their own home? For some reason for you, that equates laziness. Well, it's a free country my friend. whatever.

Most people are good honest hard working people who are not lazy, but just have never learned to repair a pc, learn code, flash roms, hack or jailbreak things. Most people just like to use a computer to "gasp!" send an email, markup and pass along a doc, play on face book, watch youtube, or even play solitaire. Not everyone has an inner or outter geek, and wants to dismantle and reassemble a pc, overclock it, rewrite the OS just for the hell of it. get a grip.

funny thing is, I always heard about how snobby apple fans were, even arrogant, but to be honest after getting to know people in the community of apple people, they really were not any where near like i was told. In fact, i have found more hostility here as well as condescending remarks then i did in any Iphone forum. At least you could gripe and critisize without being called stupid.

I am self taught at what i do, no formal training. Only to get licensed and certified did i do anything formal. not everyone can or wants to do what we do, but why be an ass about it?

The fact is people not wanting to learn something DOES make them lazy... especially when its not very hard to learn. I think I had full functionality of my winmo devices in a couple of days... And oh no, it took an extra key press or two. Want to know why? B/c there are so many options and features you need to navigate to get the features you need. And it is common knowledge, apple fanboys are blind/snobbish/arrogant b/c they refuse to see the flaws in their overpriced yet underpowered devices. Like my Zune HD, no apple device comes close to what it does, and it does it well. Yet I bet someone with an old school iPod, no matter what I SHOW them, will disagree.

 

[Nexoid]

Apple is well.. Apple, always will be. So my thoughts on this are that were going to see this new OS come out. It's going to take the WORLD by storm, Billions will be made. IFools will cry relentless tears of joy........

I'll be microwaving a burrito, watching Time Warp. lol

All the while, Google hires 15,000 more Android programmers releases 3.0 much sooner then anticipated leaps and bounds ahead of Apple... Doesn't even matter if it does more or does anything better or worse. It will in the end ALWAYS be.... you know its coming....


Open F'n Source. (Eat it Apple)
FREE and Open is better don't you watch the damn Turbo Tax commercials people.

 

[technoholicjakk]

The fact is people not wanting to learn something DOES make them lazy... especially when its not very hard to learn. I think I had full functionality of my winmo devices in a couple of days... And oh no, it took an extra key press or two. Want to know why? B/c there are so many options and features you need to navigate to get the features you need. And it is common knowledge, apple fanboys are blind/snobbish/arrogant b/c they refuse to see the flaws in their overpriced yet underpowered devices. Like my Zune HD, no apple device comes close to what it does, and it does it well. Yet I bet someone with an old school iPod, no matter what I SHOW them, will disagree.

You have not met every Apple user. You have never met every ANDROID user. You would not be able to tell an Apple user from an Android user in a street. Yet you take the mick out of them, diss them and slander them on an Android forum knowing you will not get any shit back because there are no Apple users .

As for underpowered? I hope you are not referring to the hardware, because the iPhone 3GS is perfectly powered for what it does. It could also run HTC Sense a whole lot better than my Hero (im trying guys, I really am). As for winmo you could not have picked a worse example, because the UI is shit, it is outdated and it is incredibly boring.

The only good device which has ever run winmo is the HTC HD2 - and even HTC adapted the whole thing, changed it and stuck a pretty screen over it to cover up the mess.

I used to have an iPhone- am i arrogant? Although in its defense today I am able to cope with the fact that my switch to Android once the G1 came out was a good one - because Android is a whole lot better.

Justify your claims Apple users are any more arrogant than a winmo user, Android user or WebOS user.

 

[Nexoid]

Most people are good honest hard working people who are not lazy, but just have never learned to repair a pc, learn code, flash roms, hack or jailbreak things. Most people just like to use a computer to "gasp!" send an email, markup and pass along a doc, play on face book, watch youtube, or even play solitaire. Not everyone has an inner or outter geek, and wants to dismantle and reassemble a pc, overclock it, rewrite the OS just for the hell of it. get a grip.

funny thing is, I always heard about how snobby apple fans were, even arrogant, but to be honest after getting to know people in the community of apple people, they really were not any where near like i was told. In fact, i have found more hostility here as well as condescending remarks then i did in any Iphone forum. At least you could gripe and critisize without being called stupid.

First.. Coming from a psychology background (Father and Mother both psychiatrists) "Most People" are not honest.

Second.. This is America dude... Hard Working PSHH. The only thing us humans work hard at.. if you can put the term to it.. is finding ways to not have to work hard. IRONIC.. I know.

Third.. What is "Just Using" the computer. Hell if I haven't hacked, tinkered, overclocked.. have the freedom of upgrading, have FREEDOM in general then whats the point of it anyway. Screw "Just Using" stuff thats Lame Sauce!

 

[darreno1]

You have not met every Apple user. You have never met every ANDROID user. You would not be able to tell an Apple user from an Android user in a street. Yet you take the mick out of them, diss them and slander them on an Android forum knowing you will not get any shit back because there are no Apple users .

As for underpowered? I hope you are not referring to the hardware, because the iPhone 3GS is perfectly powered for what it does. It could also run HTC Sense a whole lot better than my Hero (im trying guys, I really am). As for winmo you could not have picked a worse example, because the UI is shit, it is outdated and it is incredibly boring.

The only good device which has ever run winmo is the HTC HD2 - and even HTC adapted the whole thing, changed it and stuck a pretty screen over it to cover up the mess.

I used to have an iPhone- am i arrogant? Although in its defense today I am able to cope with the fact that my switch to Android once the G1 came out was a good one - because Android is a whole lot better.

Justify your claims Apple users are any more arrogant than a winmo user, Android user or WebOS user.

For me Android is better. But what I want to know, is why do YOU consider it better given your willingness to defend iPhone as much as you do. Why did you switch to begin with?

 

[bbrosen]

First.. Coming from a psychology background (Father and Mother both psychiatrists) "Most People" are not honest.

Second.. This is America dude... Hard Working PSHH. The only thing us humans work hard at.. if you can put the term to it.. is finding ways to not have to work hard. IRONIC.. I know.

Third.. What is "Just Using" the computer. Hell if I haven't hacked, tinkered, overclocked.. have the freedom of upgrading, have FREEDOM in general then whats the point of it anyway. Screw "Just Using" stuff thats Lame Sauce!

Wow....what a negative, cynical way to be and live..you must be a real joy to be around

 

[Nexoid]

Wow....what a negative, cynical way to be and live..you must be a real joy to be around

Actually i should take that back. I was in a very bad state of mind when writing that. had just received a phone call from my father (alcoholic... ruined my life and left me to clean it up)

I apolgise everyone.

 

[IOWA]

You have not met every Apple user. You have never met every ANDROID user. You would not be able to tell an Apple user from an Android user in a street. Yet you take the mick out of them, diss them and slander them on an Android forum knowing you will not get any shit back because there are no Apple users .

As for underpowered? I hope you are not referring to the hardware, because the iPhone 3GS is perfectly powered for what it does. It could also run HTC Sense a whole lot better than my Hero (im trying guys, I really am). As for winmo you could not have picked a worse example, because the UI is shit, it is outdated and it is incredibly boring.

The only good device which has ever run winmo is the HTC HD2 - and even HTC adapted the whole thing, changed it and stuck a pretty screen over it to cover up the mess.

I used to have an iPhone- am i arrogant? Although in its defense today I am able to cope with the fact that my switch to Android once the G1 came out was a good one - because Android is a whole lot better.

If you knew how to READ I said winmos FUNCTIONALITY is unbeaten. And you, like everyone else complains about the ui. Well.. in that respect, there are 100's of ui replacements that work extemely well. There's many that duplicate the iphone interface, android, blackberry, and many originals. And they are even eas to install. So poof your complaints and null and void.

J

 

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Actually i should take that back. I was in a very bad state of mind when writing that. had just received a phone call from my father (alcoholic... ruined my life and left me to clean it up)

I apolgise everyone.

Nope, no problem...everyone goes thru rough times...hope it works out ok one way or another...ya know we argue and complain about this stuff, and in the scheme of it all, it really does not mean much when life smacks you in the face.