hilmar2k
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The Note 3 runs an 800, not an 801.
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The Note 3 runs an 800, not an 801.
drexappeal
Extreme Android User
Doh...that's right. Heck, even with the 800, I'll still be fine rocking the Note 3 as my daily driver for the next year and a half. The 3GB of RAM has proven to be the difference maker for me, as I have fairly heavy use during the work week.
Hey drex, long time for sure. I'm doing great, hope it's all good for you too.
Of course - you knew I would respond to this, so let's get it.
Yeah. No.
The general public of which you speak is very much driven by specs.
Otherwise, by your logic, we'd be seeing phones this size running a Snapdragon S3 or even an S2 with the crowd going wild at the cost savings.
We've already seen that approach on a few models that not only did that but lowered resolution to boot, with dismal sales as the result.
The big resolution numbers on this phone are just specs. In this case, they exist for one reason and one reason only: mobile is selling, and this will help foster demand for TV sales with matching numbers.
The general public has zero clue what a British Thermal Unit is but watch what shoppers compare on the point of sale cards in the air conditioning department.
And those point of sale cards exist at every phone shop I've been in.
And then rather than being rubes, they start going down the line comparing numbers on the point of sale cards.
Marketing departments everywhere, backed up reviewers including Consumer Reports, tell them that they don't need to understand technology because they magically already do - they can compare numbers and smart shoppers compare the spec cards. (See my reference paper, "OMGZ PWNIES I AM TOO A SMART SHOPPER.")
Proving my point entirely about spec hounds thinking that they understand design or what is presented when all of the information is there. And failing.
I can't wait for the shocking news that 1440p equipped units are benchmarking lower in graphics tests - as the ones with the most pixels always must.
And that's true because 1) most of the existing models to compare to are running an 801 or less, and 2) because a lot of consumers want the next model down from the top in specs and that's driven by defensive thinking. "I may not really understand the tech, so I'd rather get the second one down and save a buck."
The general public is in fact very well informed.
They're just using different information than some of us.
And shocking as it may sound, many will not be impressed by the micro bezels here. Therefore, it still won't stop at just the shiny screen.
Cheers!
Of course - you knew I would respond to this, so let's get it.
Yeah. No.
The general public of which you speak is very much driven by specs.
Otherwise, by your logic, we'd be seeing phones this size running a Snapdragon S3 or even an S2 with the crowd going wild at the cost savings.
We've already seen that approach on a few models that not only did that but lowered resolution to boot, with dismal sales as the result.
The big resolution numbers on this phone are just specs. In this case, they exist for one reason and one reason only: mobile is selling, and this will help foster demand for TV sales with matching numbers.
The general public has zero clue what a British Thermal Unit is but watch what shoppers compare on the point of sale cards in the air conditioning department.
And those point of sale cards exist at every phone shop I've been in.
And then rather than being rubes, they start going down the line comparing numbers on the point of sale cards.
Marketing departments everywhere, backed up reviewers including Consumer Reports, tell them that they don't need to understand technology because they magically already do - they can compare numbers and smart shoppers compare the spec cards. (See my reference paper, "OMGZ PWNIES I AM TOO A SMART SHOPPER.")
Proving my point entirely about spec hounds thinking that they understand design or what is presented when all of the information is there. And failing.
I can't wait for the shocking news that 1440p equipped units are benchmarking lower in graphics tests - as the ones with the most pixels always must.
And that's true because 1) most of the existing models to compare to are running an 801 or less, and 2) because a lot of consumers want the next model down from the top in specs and that's driven by defensive thinking. "I may not really understand the tech, so I'd rather get the second one down and save a buck."
The general public is in fact very well informed.
They're just using different information than some of us.
And shocking as it may sound, many will not be impressed by the micro bezels here. Therefore, it still won't stop at just the shiny screen.
Cheers!
Orion
Android Expert
Yeah that would be great if it were to come out sooner than later. But the latest rumors say that Android Silver will be here sometime on Feb 2015 at the earliest.
Posted one of these for the 805 earlier, so here's the 801.
It doesn't suck lol.
It doesn't suck lol.
Jeyd02
Android Expert
There is still a big difference from 801 to 805.
DragonSlayer95
Resident Air Bender
But would the 801 do pretty much all of what everyone needs? Most likely yep.
As long as it can do what I need it to do without it slowing me down, that's all I care about.
As long as it can do what I need it to do without it slowing me down, that's all I care about.
Jeyd02
Android Expert
I know that better than many may suspect.
Will you buy the lg g3 801?
Jeyd02
Android Expert
Just possibly because of this I just might consider the 801,but once again.
1. I'm coming from an already excellent g2
2. I am paying for a flagship future proof so maybe waiting for an top of the line device might hold me off also.
3. Given the position of the phone having 801 I will have to think 4 times to wisely spend the money. So I could instead save some money by waiting...
It's circular dilemma.
Orion
Android Expert
Well the flipcovers just got announced.....
LG G3 QuickCircle Case officially announced, will bring Smart Lighting to the smartphone
LG G3 QuickCircle Case officially announced, will bring Smart Lighting to the smartphone
As I said earlier, I'm waiting to see about size in my hand, and with a cover for my top pocket carry.
Depending on that not going my way, I'll be looking at the HTC One M8 Prime, for the speakers and because I won't care about bezels if the neither fits my top pockets well.
For me, the 801/805 difference is low order.
First, we don't know if the higher capabilites of the 805 will come at a significant battery cost. I care more about balanced battery performance than top of the line.
Second, long before I finish doing my own rom development on the thing, the 64-bit models will be out.
And above the 801/805 difference will be the camera performance and I know nothing about that yet.
The LG G2 does a LOT that's technically wrong on the photo side - and yet still manages to pump out really enjoyable pictures.
So is the 801/805 a deal killer for me?
Nope. My contract is up this week, I have money set aside and I'm as happy as a kid at Xmas with my 2012 phone.
Battery life, carry-ability, the camera, and SD card storage - far more important to me than the SoC at the end of the 32-bit road in any case.
Jeyd02
Android Expert
But 805 may be a significant benefits for imagine processing and more supports. And most likely more effective with battery management.
CafeKampuchia
Android Expert
Just ninjad me
I'm intrigued by the functionality, but can't bring myself to put a plastic case of any kind on a well designed smartphone.
Qualcomm Snapdragon 805: Hands-on and benchmarked - SlashGear
There's a pretty comprehensive look at the 805 with plenty of comparisons to the 801. It gives you a sense of how long LG would've had to wait to include it in the g3
There's a pretty comprehensive look at the 805 with plenty of comparisons to the 801. It gives you a sense of how long LG would've had to wait to include it in the g3
No question about it. But will those translate into noticeable differences for me in everyday use?
I'm not sure.
And most likely more effective with battery management.
We don't know that.
We do know that both are manufactured using the same 28 nm manufacturing process (one of the first factors to consider) and both operate at the same voltage (another important factor).
If the 805 is achieving higher performance with more silicon (very likely) then that's a power draw, and if the cores are clocked faster (we already know that some are), then that's another power draw.
Just like the dots on the technological terror of these 1440p displays - TANSTAAFL.
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
Or - they included pixie dust and faerie smiles and it IS more power efficient.
We don't know yet.
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/28nm.htm
CafeKampuchia
Android Expert
True, no doubt. But LG doesn't dare release a flagship with worse battery life. So what have those tricky engineers done? Maybe pixie dust and faerie smiles is the answer.
About TANSTAAFL, I thought for sure that Steven was buying lunch, but my hopes were dashed when they announced the 801.
Jeyd02
Android Expert
Just ninjad me
I'm intrigued by the functionality, but can't bring myself to put a plastic case of any kind on a well designed smartphone.
My thought as well. Even though it'll be nice to those similar options without having the cover.
Hmmm.
They have a big explicit paragraph about how the 805 won't include the on-board world modem found in other models.
Except - Qualcomm says that they do, shown in the picture I posted earlier (why not, here it is again) and this page in black and white.
http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/805
Jeyd02
Android Expert
And in an article I saw that Qualcomm snapdragon 808 and 810 may be pushed ahead schedule by end of this year. Then that makes me think. That would really be a huge upgrade. From 800 to 810. I feel like SD are coming way too fast with their newer products.
As many have expressed here I also believe that 801 is already good enough even maybe for 2k display. If SD wouldn't have announced the 805 now but rather by half of year 2015. I am sure many ppl would be really satisfied and would have never be disappointed because of the cpu. Instead everyone would accept it. But the thought or fact of already having a newer cpu around the corner will make our purchase feel less valuable and second rated just because there is already a better cpu upcoming.
As many have expressed here I also believe that 801 is already good enough even maybe for 2k display. If SD wouldn't have announced the 805 now but rather by half of year 2015. I am sure many ppl would be really satisfied and would have never be disappointed because of the cpu. Instead everyone would accept it. But the thought or fact of already having a newer cpu around the corner will make our purchase feel less valuable and second rated just because there is already a better cpu upcoming.
Why not?
Samsung and HTC both did and the fans and news blogs went nuts declaring that battery life improved. (See my reference article - BLACK: THE NEW WHITE)
But you raise a bigger issue, namely, where's Steven with our tasty snacks?
Flagship waiting is hungry business!
Really?
I've heard that the new robotic cyber dogs are going to be a big improvement over me.
Even if true, and even though I'm biased, would you really not have me over while waiting for one? Not even for cheeseburgers?
I'll let you be the judge of that.
Just remember - they always say that a better dog is just around the corner.
Your pal,
DoglyMon
Jeyd02
Android Expert
Really?
I've heard that the new robotic cyber dogs are going to be a big improvement over me.
Even if true, and even though I'm biased, would you really not have me over while waiting for one? Not even for cheeseburgers?
I'll let you be the judge of that.
Just remember - they always say that a better dog is just around the corner.
Your pal,
DoglyMon
Well true it depends, but in my position, me having the G2 it wouldn't be much of a value purchase than let's say some with nexus 4 going over to lg g3. If anything I could just wait for the right device. And sometimes it's becoming hard considering that newer devices are coming faster and faster and technology is progressing quite fast. Most ppl don't get the chance to upgrade every 6 month so making a very good purchase for next 2 years will be critical.
Edit : lol now that I read closely am I supposed to feel compassion to the dog? Living creatures are just so unique
drexappeal
Extreme Android User
Hey drex, long time for sure. I'm doing great, hope it's all good for you too.
Of course - you knew I would respond to this, so let's get it.
Yeah. No.
The general public of which you speak is very much driven by specs.
Otherwise, by your logic, we'd be seeing phones this size running a Snapdragon S3 or even an S2 with the crowd going wild at the cost savings.
We've already seen that approach on a few models that not only did that but lowered resolution to boot, with dismal sales as the result.
The big resolution numbers on this phone are just specs. In this case, they exist for one reason and one reason only: mobile is selling, and this will help foster demand for TV sales with matching numbers.
The general public has zero clue what a British Thermal Unit is but watch what shoppers compare on the point of sale cards in the air conditioning department.
And those point of sale cards exist at every phone shop I've been in.
And then rather than being rubes, they start going down the line comparing numbers on the point of sale cards.
Marketing departments everywhere, backed up reviewers including Consumer Reports, tell them that they don't need to understand technology because they magically already do - they can compare numbers and smart shoppers compare the spec cards. (See my reference paper, "OMGZ PWNIES I AM TOO A SMART SHOPPER.")
Proving my point entirely about spec hounds thinking that they understand design or what is presented when all of the information is there. And failing.
I can't wait for the shocking news that 1440p equipped units are benchmarking lower in graphics tests - as the ones with the most pixels always must.
And that's true because 1) most of the existing models to compare to are running an 801 or less, and 2) because a lot of consumers want the next model down from the top in specs and that's driven by defensive thinking. "I may not really understand the tech, so I'd rather get the second one down and save a buck."
The general public is in fact very well informed.
They're just using different information than some of us.
And shocking as it may sound, many will not be impressed by the micro bezels here. Therefore, it still won't stop at just the shiny screen.
Cheers!
I'd love to challenge your theory, EM. You know that my theories are always driven by how products are marketed. There is no way I can see 9/10 consumers going to by a new or upgraded smartphone, saying "Oh, this only has the 801 processor... I'll pass." That's the bottom line. I'd be shocked if even 3/10 (30%) of the general consumer would know that and prefer that over a screen "looking good."
And just to add to that, general consumers want to know the bottom lines for everything: 1) Nice screen, 2) Responsive and fast? 3) Lasts long? 4) Feels comfortable (subjective to each individual), I don't think they ever truly concern themselves with what makes those things happen, unless it's marleted as if the detailed specs create their bottom line.
Example: Apple marketing IPS display.
If a company markets a component as the be all end all that makes an end product that much better, then the general consumer will look for it. If not marketed, I challenge anyone to prove general consumers would know the difference.
Well true it depends, but in my position, me having the G2 it wouldn't be much of a value purchase than let's say some with nexus 4 going over to lg g3. If anything I could just wait for the right device. And sometimes it's becoming hard considering that newer devices are coming faster and faster and technology is progressing quite fast. Most ppl don't get the chance to upgrade every 6 month so making a very good purchase for next 2 years will be critical.
Edit : lol now that I read closely am I supposed to feel compassion to the dog? Living creatures are just so unique
I don't really remember - I think that the benchmarks told me that the phone I have is 5 to 8 times as fast as my 2010 model.
But it's not.
It's just some faster and then I use more complicated apps more often.
As for feeling compassion for DoglyMon, that's between you two. Most people don't refer to him as the dog, but again - that's between y'all, although, my best hint is come armed with cheeseburgers.
Sometimes he just grabs my phone and posts, mainly thanks to voice recognition.
He's often right about things.
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