Liberals are...smarter!

[WAdude]

I agree. We did not know about these things invisible to our senses, yet we, with time and technology, proved It real, why not the same with god? With time and technolgy, we might just find out.

Anyways I replied to you with this. I did not mean that what our five senses cannot sense is not real, just that even though we cqnnot sense It, it might still be there. Just as a god might be there.

 

[WAdude]

I'm sorry, he said he is not 100% sold on the speed of light. Your statement was also rather vague too, which is why I asked for clarification.

Anyway, the speed of light is rather irrelevant to this discussion because even if there were some errors in the way light is measured the age of the universe would still be in the billions, not mere thousands.

That is what I said In one of my posts above. "although we do not know the exact age of the Universe, I believe that It should be old.

 

[WAdude]

Again, you cannot take the bible to literally, but really, we cannot say the exact age of the Universe. Im sure its very old though.

Yup, I said it was old.

 

[RAND0M1ZER]

Ok. The burden of proof does fall on me. But if there Is one, what will you do? What will you think of your life the way you lived it, godless?

I will not ridicule your answer, its simply my curiosity.

Like I said I will keep an open mind to any legitimate evidence.

Next, I think that is a difficult question to answer at this stage in my life. However if there was proof for a supernatural being I would not have any regrets because I don't need to fear repercussions after I die in order to make decisions based on good morals.

Also if a god were proven to exist, that still does not prove that Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any other religions are true. There are many religions on this planet and all of them have a big range of 'rules' and ways to live your life making it nearly impossible to satisfy everyone.

We are still insignificant in the scale of the universe, and if there were a god my personal opinion is that he wouldn't care what we did at all.

 

[WAdude]

Like I said I will keep an open mind to any legitimate evidence.

Next, I think that is a difficult question to answer at this stage in my life. However if there was proof for a supernatural being I would not have any regrets because I don't need to fear repercussions after I die in order to make decisions based on good morals.

Also if a god were proven to exist, that still does not prove that Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any other religions are true. There are many religions on this planet and all of them have a big range of 'rules' and ways to live your life making it nearly impossible to satisfy everyone.

We are still insignificant in the scale of the universe, and if there were a god my personal opinion is that he wouldn't care what we did at all.

Thats cool man. I agree with you, I'd rather be wrong about my god/beliefs, but right about my decisions, than wrong about both. (although I still keep my hopes and faith in my religion)

 

[axtelnp]

I don't think a study is needed to show that atheists are smarter than religious folk.

Atheist: "We are here because of millions of years of evolution and natural selection."
Religion: "We are here because a huge invisible being lit a match, farted, and created the universe. Humans lived with dinosaurs. If you disagree you'll be punished. lolz"

Pretty cut and dry to me.

However, the study doesn't show that liberals are smarter, just that some liberal views go hand in hand with atheism.

Turn the brain on and apply some simple logic while reading this statement, "EVERYTHING came from NOTHING"
if you followed the instructions (turned your brain on and applied simple logic), you now understand that creation (us) is proof that there is a creator (God). Where did the "goop" come from that "evolved" into the first life form?

 

[WAdude]

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” - Stephen Roberts

Here's one of my favorite quotes " Although the odds are on your side, if I am right and there is a god out there afterall, I still get to say 'Ha, I was right all along bitches!', but If you are right, you still get no final say, because you'd be dead, and forgotten. I prefer to be the one getting the last word than no word at all." - WAdude

 

[RAND0M1ZER]

That is a nice quote

 

[Rota]

If my viewpoint is correct, there's quite literally hell to pay for those who don't believe. I'm not telling anyone that they're going to hell (that's God's job). I just want to do what I can to avoid it.

I love logical fallacies.

Ok. The burden of proof does fall on me. But if there Is one, what will you do? What will you think of your life the way you lived it, godless?

I will not ridicule your answer, its simply my curiosity.

If empirical evidence of a god's existence could be found, I would believe in it because it had been proven. I would say this is how I feel about any scientific hypothesis.

 

[Frisco]

Well, things are the way they are, god or no; but whether or not we live our lives knowing what the truth is seems less relevant than just living our lives to our capabilities with an eye toward peace, prosperity and good clean fun.

Sounds corny, I guess.. but that's just the way I see it.

 

[mpw]

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[Jammy]

Turn the brain on and apply some simple logic while reading this statement, "EVERYTHING came from NOTHING"
if you followed the instructions (turned your brain on and applied simple logic), you now understand that creation (us) is proof that there is a creator (God). Where did the "goop" come from that "evolved" into the first life form?

All atheists that I have come across do not believe that everything came from nothing, they accept that they do not know.

Here's one of my favorite quotes " Although the odds are on your side, if I am right and there is a god out there afterall, I still get to say 'Ha, I was right all along bitches!', but If you are right, you still get no final say, because you'd be dead, and forgotten. I prefer to be the one getting the last word than no word at all." - WAdude

That is called Pascal's Wager. Look it up on Youtube.

YouTube - Pascal's Wager

Personally, I think that if I live my life in a moral way, if there is a god, and he is a just god, he will not seek vengeance on me

 

[zep]

Personally, I think that if I live my life in a moral way, if there is a god, and he is a just god, he will not seek vengeance on me

Dude you're so clueless. Everyone knows that living a moral life isn't enough...you also have to eat crackers in a church every Sunday.

mmmmm.....Jebus-crackers.

 

[Rota]

Turn the brain on and apply some simple logic while reading this statement, "EVERYTHING came from NOTHING"
if you followed the instructions (turned your brain on and applied simple logic), you now understand that creation (us) is proof that there is a creator (God). Where did the "goop" come from that "evolved" into the first life form?

Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Natural selection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YouTube - How Can Nothing Come From Something?

Dude you're so clueless. Everyone knows that living a moral life isn't enough...you also have to eat crackers in a church every Sunday.

mmmmm.....Jebus-crackers.

Jeez-its!

 

[zep]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang_theoryJeez-its!

Trademark that or so help me I will.

 

[OrderFromChaos]

Again (RANDOM1ZER), refer back to this guy, then get back to me. I mean, if your gonna argue about what I said, why arent you gonna argue it with this guy?


Originally Posted by OrderFromChaos

Thank you.


Personally, I would have to say no for a couple of reasons. First, zero is not a number (I know, semantics and technicalities ). Second, are we talking about the theory with respect to quantum mechanics? If so, how do you get around the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle? Also, this is basically the same as the theory on the speed of light. We lack the technology to actually test the theories. BTW, if it helps I'm also not 100% sold on the speed of light either.

Please keep in mind, I only speak for myself. Whatever I say is from me and does not imply that others agree with it. Geez, I did not think I needed a disclaimer for this.

My wording was poor with respect to my comments on the speed of light. When I stated I was not "completely sold" I meant in the manner that we cannot travel faster than light. We may not be able to travel faster than light, but we might be able to use "technicalities" or "loopholes" to accomplish this without violating the speed of light.

 

[OrderFromChaos]

Here's one of my favorite quotes " Although the odds are on your side, if I am right and there is a god out there afterall, I still get to say 'Ha, I was right all along bitches!', but If you are right, you still get no final say, because you'd be dead, and forgotten. I prefer to be the one getting the last word than no word at all." - WAdude

Again with Pascal's Wager? Really?

If that's the case, the odds that your specific religion is the correct one is rather slim.

 

[zep]

If that's the case, the odds that your specific religion is the correct one is rather slim.

Regardless of that fact, I'm pretty sure that "making the smart bet" isn't exactly something god (or God, as it were) would be too psyched about. And if he/she is omnipotent as current canon claims IIRC then it's not exactly something you could hide from him/her.

Like, Pascal's wager made sense to me when I was 8 or so, but eventually I realized that if that's your reason for "believing", you're insulting the concept of Christianity way more than any atheist ever could.

 

[OrderFromChaos]

Regardless of that fact, I'm pretty sure that "making the smart bet" isn't exactly something god (or God, as it were) would be too psyched about. And if he/she is omnipotent as current canon claims IIRC then it's not exactly something you could hide from him/her.

Like, Pascal's wager made sense to me when I was 8 or so, but eventually I realized that if that's your reason for "believing", you're insulting the concept of Christianity way more than any atheist ever could.

I could not agree more. IMO, that is the cheapest way to live life, hedging your bets. As you stated, if there is a god than most likely that god is omnipotent and thus able to see right through you.

 

[WAdude]

Again with Pascal's Wager? Really?

If that's the case, the odds that your specific religion is the correct one is rather slim.

True, but then again, the Jewish god, the Muslim god, and the Christian god are somewhat the same god, just with diffrent bibles, and all around the same time period. All three religions experienced a man named Jesus, although the Christians call him the son of God (to me he is), the Jews and Muslims do not. But really they are the same god, with diffrent names, that all mean God. Kinda like Chevy, Pontiac (although gone), and GMC, diffrent names, diffrent looks, but all from the same company, GM. So now my odds are a bit higher now, since I believe in the same god, just with a diffrent set of rules.

 

[Rota]

True, but then again, the Jewish god, the Muslim god, and the Christian god are somewhat the same god, just with diffrent bibles, and all around the same time period. All three religions experienced a man named Jesus, although the Christians call him the son of God (to me he is), the Jews and Muslims do not. But really they are the same god, with diffrent names, that all mean God. Kinda like Chevy, Pontiac (although gone), and GMC, diffrent names, diffrent looks, but all from the same company, GM. So now my odds are a bit higher now, since I believe in the same god, just with a diffrent set of rules.

List of religions and spiritual traditions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good luck.

 

[WAdude]

List of religions and spiritual traditions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good luck.

No, no,no, good luck to you.

Because if I am wrong, then I will be seeing you in hell. And we will have this discussion all over again.

 

[OrderFromChaos]

True, but then again, the Jewish god, the Muslim god, and the Christian god are somewhat the same god, just with diffrent bibles, and all around the same time period. All three religions experienced a man named Jesus, although the Christians call him the son of God (to me he is), the Jews and Muslims do not. But really they are the same god, with diffrent names, that all mean God. Kinda like Chevy, Pontiac (although gone), and GMC, diffrent names, diffrent looks, but all from the same company, GM. So now my odds are a bit higher now, since I believe in the same god, just with a diffrent set of rules.

Beliefs should not be about odds, leave that for gambling.

IMO, beliefs are personal. No two people have the same beliefs, and therefore no one can relate or adequately describe their beliefs to another person.

BTW, if there are different rules then your "odds" would be the same as what you started with (just the Christian odds) since you have to follow the rules to get to your destination.

 

[OrderFromChaos]

No, no,no, good luck to you.

Because if I am wrong, then I will be seeing you in hell. And we will have this discussion all over again.

Think about what you just posted. If you are wrong why would there be a hell? Why make the automatic assumption that there is a hell when you are wrong in the first place?

 

[Rota]

No, no,no, good luck to you.

Because if I am wrong, then I will be seeing you in hell. And we will have this discussion all over again.

Do you think before you post?

Kind of a rhetorical question there, but I do want to know.