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Luxuries? Yes or No?

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CT53

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I Happened to be in a Debate this Week over Cell Phone Luxuries and After Talking to Friends and Family have Become Very Curious as to What Other Android users Think.

Smartphones - Luxury or Entitlement?
Texting Plan - Luxury or Entitlement?
Data Plan - Luxury or Entitlement?
 
Luxury no doubt all across the board. Some jobs need a cell phone, but if you really want to get into it, you can just get another job that does not need one..
 
CT53 said:
Smartphones - Luxury or Entitlement?
Texting Plan - Luxury or Entitlement?
Data Plan - Luxury or Entitlement?
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Entitlement is a bit odd of a choice for a selection. It's usually luxury vs necessity. Saying entitlement is really saying you feel you have a right/claim to it. So with that definition, entitlement goes both ways. You are entitle to your wants and you are entitle to your needs. Not sure if I'm making sense...
 
Roze said:
Entitlement is a bit odd of a choice for a selection. It's usually luxury vs necessity. Saying entitlement is really saying you feel you have a right/claim to it. So with that definition, entitlement goes both ways. You are entitle to your wants and you are entitle to your needs. Not sure if I'm making sense...
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You can't really use it in the legal sense here (you could but that's overkill, of course you have the legal right to all of the above). I interpreted the post as luxury vs minimum expectation.
 
SoFLO said:
You can't really use it in the legal sense here (you could but that's overkill, of course you have the legal right to all of the above). I interpreted the post as luxury vs minimum expectation.
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Minimum expectations for what? lol. Minimum expectations to be in contact with the world using the fastest method? Yes I'm nick picking with the word :P

To answer the question all of the above is a luxury that is not needed by everyone. Only scenerio I would think it becomes a requirement is working where you need to constantly be in contact with the clients and your colleagues.
 
Roze said:
Minimum expectations for what? lol. Minimum expectations to be in contact with the world using the fastest method? Yes I'm nick picking with the word :P

To answer the question all of the above is a luxury that is not needed by everyone. Only scenerio I would think it becomes a requirement is working where you need to constantly be in contact with the clients and your colleagues.
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That's like saying since a Bugatti is the fastest car in the world you're entitled to owning one. If you can't afford it, it's a luxury. You can't have the expectation to be entitled to something you can't afford.

You have the right to purchase whatever you want if you can afford it.
 
Roze said:
Entitlement is a bit odd of a choice for a selection. It's usually luxury vs necessity. Saying entitlement is really saying you feel you have a right/claim to it. So with that definition, entitlement goes both ways. You are entitle to your wants and you are entitle to your needs. Not sure if I'm making sense...
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The argument started by someone saying they were entitled to it and they thought it should be free. It being texting.

Thanks to all of you that have posted so far. I completely AGREE with all of y'all that say it is a Luxury. That was what I considered them.
 
Smartphones are a luxury
The rest too
Why would they be a right?

EDIT: They want it free? o.0
Nothings free
If the government runs networks, then it comes out of taxes
Even Cuba (before reform plan) realised a private company was need for a cellular network :)


I send maybe 80 texts a day - I use wifi and data :p (go free webtext from a network I used to be with!) so it costs me like 20c a day
 
SoFLO said:
That's like saying since a Bugatti is the fastest car in the world you're entitled to owning one. If you can't afford it, it's a luxury. You can't have the expectation to be entitled to something you can't afford.

You have the right to purchase whatever you want if you can afford it.
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That's why I said earlier...entitlement is an odd selection choice that does not make sense when applied.
 
CT53 said:
The argument started by someone saying they were entitled to it and they thought it should be free. It being texting.
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What world is your friend living in that he expects texting to be free? If it's *free* (or unlimited), it's still part of their monthly phone plan. The carrier has this in their plan calculation.
 
Now some back story on the Argument.

The forum we were under was one about someone asking how to get free texting and if there was an app for it. I said just pay for the unlimited plan because it is worth it and a lot of apps still charge for the texts you send/receive.

This one guy who we will leave anonymous, lets call him John Colbert, jumped in and said "what if he is barely getting by just paying for the data?"

Which is when I stated that having a smartphone and having a texting plan were luxuries and if the guy was barely getting by just paying for data then he should not have a smartphone or texting because they are luxuries. I said if you can't afford it without it effecting your life and causing you to struggle financially then you should not have it.

Then John Colbert argued back and was saying what if his window broke on his car and he didn't have the money to pay for did he deserve his car?

I replied by saying that windows in a car are not a luxury so that was an invalid argument.

John Colbert even went so far to compare a Unlimited Texting Plan that is in the neighborhood of $30 to a $12,000 ER Bill.
He said if you couldn't afford to pay the $12,000 then you didn't deserve to live. Which was his rebuttal to me saying if you couldn't afford to pay for texting or data you shouldn't have them.

That's when I said that that comparison was outragious.
 
A luxury would be something you dont NEED to survive. No matter how small it is.. Mr Colbert basically has no argument and is reaching at this point it seems... Also seems to be an argument of semantics and wording now.. You can "deserve" a cellphone by certain standards, but you certainly don't "need" one in any instance.
 
gallandof said:
luxuries, no way around it, you can manage all a smartphone can do with an old palm pilot.
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Yup. I manufactured those little fellas and I remember when the Palm VII arrived. Everyone had to have one because it was way cool.

I still rely on paper and a pen for taking notes and jotting things down.

Bob Maxey
 
I think if you can't afford minor emergency repairs on your car then maybe you shouldn't have it. I think you can make that argument at least.
 
A.Nonymous said:
I think if you can't afford minor emergency repairs on your car then maybe you shouldn't have it. I think you can make that argument at least.
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Agreed. Or sell the broken car for a cheap car that gets your from A to B.

Even though that is a good point. The car topic is getting off topic so lets fade away from it.
 
I think any cell phone, even the most basic flip phone, is a luxury. A mp3 player is a luxury, a TV is a luxury...the list goes on.
A smart phone is a luxurious luxury. lol. A Bugatti is just plain sweet.
The thread you refer to was a valid thread that got sort of out of control. I don't pay extra for texting, I use GV. I'm already paying for data so why not use that instead of incurring yet another fee from Verizon? That's not not affording a luxury, that's just being silly ;)
 
I also feel there are different degrees of luxuries. some more useful than others.

Smartphones although luxurys can also be business tools and help you make money, at that point it almost does become a necessity to obtaining more luxuries:P

TV on the other hand is almost 100% a luxury item, and very hard to justify when trying to look at purchasing one if you try to argu needs vs wants. (wants win out over needs with me 90% of the time)
 
Both of my parents use simple flip phones (they're not tech savvy enough to know how to operate a smartphone) and they've been doing fine with them. They will easily tell you that it's a luxury. Call and fax (no email). Simple.
 
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