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Malaysia Airlines tragedies

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With RARE exceptions, debris that floats does not float for long.

Even the seat cushions that "are your floatation devices in the event of a water landing."

Don't believe me?

Go to your local marine supply and look at the life jacket labels - they say right on them how much buoyancy is lost per unit of time. Eventually, even the best life jacket you can buy - will sink.

Can't get to a marine supply? How about the US Coast Guard then -

Life jackets should be tested for wear and buoyancy at least once each year. Waterlogged, faded, or leaky jackets should be discarded.
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Next:

In shallow relatively small, shallow seas with strong currents and tides, things that do stay afloat long enough don't ALWAYS stay out to sea - they wash to shore. Those that don't will wash out to the larger oceans. And then probably sink.

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Next:

This is not the Atlantic Seaboard of the USA.

Things that do wash ashore are not necessarily likely to be found by passing hikers.

Go to a developed, accessible beach area in any of several places in the South China Sea - I have - and after wondering and asking locals later why no one was down by the beach, expect to be met with: Why would you go there?? :(

A great many of them are NOT clean and don't smell great, while others are simply not developed and are inaccessible due to the jungles.

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There are really fabulous reasons to understand that the further out in time we go, the lower the probability becomes of finding floating debris.

Hijackings, rogue military actions, conspiracies and space aliens need not apply for the job.

It's already taken by simple, cold, hard facts without any of that.

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Anything is possible.

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Including the most likely scenarios.



PS - if you've just seen the New Zealander/oil rig letter - it is not news and it did not just come out.

It may be news to you but that was posted on the internet and the guy was verified as a real person by New Zealand days ago.

No conspiracy required to explain why, "OMGZ, this is news!" like half the internet is saying.

By the way - don't be surprised when the news also discovers more OMGZ NEWS letters like that one.

KOTA BARU: The authorities here have their hands full after receiving at least two reports from the public that they saw an aircraft flying low on the same day Malaysian Airlines MH370 vanished.

In his report, the owner of a fishing boat claimed that he saw an airplane flying low while he was at sea with a friend about 14.4km from Kuala Besar in Pantai Cahaya Bulan here at 1.30am on Saturday.

Azid Ibrahim, 66, said the aircraft was heading towards international waters.

According to him, the plane was flying so low that he could see the lights
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Quiz:

How far away is the Indian Ocean from the last sighting?

About an hour and 20 minutes by air.

How far away is it from the Malacca Straight, a reasonable place to search according to our FAA and NTSB?

If you just happen to be floating debris, it's about two or two and a half days away by the currents - tops.

How strange would it be to find anything there?

Find the data recorders anywhere or find debris there. Or even a starved survivor waiting for rescue.

Then, you can tell me the answer to that, I have no idea.

Everything else is as real as Steven's last episode of Star Trek Voyager.
 
U.S. Investigators Suspect Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane Flew On for Hours - WSJ.com

Latest breaking WSJ report, just 30 minutes before this post.

Throughout the roughly four hours after the jet dropped from civilian radar screens, these people said, the link operated in a kind of standby mode and sought to establish contact with a satellite or satellites. These transmissions did not include data, they said, but the periodic contacts indicate to investigators that the plane was still intact and believed to be flying.

Investigators are still working to fully understand the information, according to one person briefed on the matter. The transmissions, this person said, were comparable to the plane "saying I'm here, I'm ready to send data."
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If the Wall Street Journal - the source of the latest nonsense - says that the plane did not send data, can we all agree that the plane did not send data?

And even if those reports are true - and my opinion on the matter is known - how is that pinging coming from the surface of the sea or a beach any less likely than terrorism, hijackings and conspiracies?

Be sure to remember that anything you've read or think you've read about the plane flying for hours or sending data for hours is simply not true, according to the one and only one source of this story - because:

These transmissions did not include data
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My opinion of the Wall Street Journal being able to add 2 + 2 without adding an opinion and calling it a fact is already clear.
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At no point did the WSJ ever say who "these people" were.

EDIT - By the way - notice how the WSJ's latest report is a CORRECTION to their previous reports.

Now, according to the WSJ, the Rolls-Royce engines and shadowy data sent to Rolls-Royce are NOT the source of the signals. Even though that's what the initial story and all of the reports have said.

I could have told you that.

Oh. Wait. :rolleyes:
 
Steven58 said:
No Borg then? Phew!
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No, the aliens are all running away from us. They have intercepted our radio and TV transmissions, decided that the humans are all too weird. They are not only running away, but are using their advanced technology to cause space to expand, just to get that much further from us..
 
Missing jet creates legion of armchair sleuths

The answers to most questions, it seems, can be found using Google or Twitter. So, maybe that's why the world is captivated by the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 and why it has created a legion of armchair sleuths, spouting theories in some cases so strange they belong in science-fiction films.
 
The missing plane left a data trail via satellite ping. That seems to be verified?
 
Steven58 said:
The missing plane left a data trail via satellite ping. That seems to be verified?
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Seemed to be verified, denied, then verified again. Don't know what to take seriously at this point.
Not sure the point of shutting down the comms just to fly it into the ocean. Wonder if they could have landed it somewhere. Or were trying to?
 
I been said this . and believe that this plane is in a island that don't have this radio frequency and this is why the cell phone that could make a call hasn't . and these guys are afraid that the waters are lurking with dangerous sharks and barracudas . I am just saying funny no one knows anything
 
BRAINZ2013 said:
I been said this . and believe that this plane is in a island that don't have this radio frequency and this is why the cell phone that could make a call hasn't . and these guys are afraid that the waters are lurking with dangerous sharks and barracudas . I am just saying funny no one knows anything
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Crashed or landed? If it had crashed on an island, it's quite likely satellites or planes would have spotted the burning wreckage by now. I very much doubt it landed anywhere without anyone knowing, because you need a huge great runway for that.

If it went in the sea, the longer time goes on there might not be anything left to spot, eventually it could all sink.
 
I think the press is doing enough speculating on this topic. Let's avoid using this thread for drawing up our own conspiracy theories.
 
Lol true. But it falls hand in hand with the current topic which is surrounded in mystery in itself. Looks like this generations, twa flight 800 fiasco.
 
We need to balance that with the recognition that AF is a global platform and folks may be reading along that are directly affected by the events unfolding. The press is already playing fast and loose with their emotions, no need to perpetuate that here.
 
International aviation regs have required cockpit doors to be securely locked at all times during flight. Forcing your way onto the flightdeck of an airliner is only possible in movies, so hostile takeover is unlikely.

As for landing on some remote island.... even a moderately-laden 777 needs a minimum of something like 5000ft of dry runway to land safely at sea level.

p.s. according to the BBC here:

a satellite system operated by London-based telecommunications company Inmarsat received an automated signal from flight MH370 at least five hours after the plane was reported lost.
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The Inmarsat website has the following statement posted:

14 March 2014: Inmarsat has issued the following statement regarding Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.
Routine, automated signals were registered on the Inmarsat network from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 during its flight from Kuala Lumpur.
This information was provided to our partner SITA, which in turn has shared it with Malaysia Airlines.
For further information, please contact Malaysia Airlines.
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Note they don't confirm any timeline, only that "routine automated signals" were received. At what point during MH370's flight these were actually detected remains undisclosed.
 
Missing plane: Piracy theory gains more credence

Piracy and pilot suicide are among the scenarios under study as investigators grow increasingly certain the missing Malaysia Airlines jet changed course and headed west after its last radio contact with air traffic controllers.

as opposed to

Missing jet: Piracy would require special skills

To steal Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 out of midair would require a pilot who knew how to elude detection by both civilian and military radar. It would take a runway at least a mile long to land the wide-body jet, possibly in the dark, and a hangar big enough to hide it. All without being seen.
 
jefboyardee said:
Almost real news:

Investigators conclude missing jet hijacked, steered off course, official says

Investigators trying to solve the disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines jetliner have concluded that one of the pilots or someone else with flying experience hijacked the missing Boeing 777 and steered it off course, according to a Malaysian government official.
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FOX NEWS really?! I rate them lower than the WSJ. "A Malaysian government official"?! For all we know, that could be the person that runs the sanitation dept.
 
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